Agreed. I was disappointed with RIP, but man, Batman and Batman and Robin are fantastic.
I hope they can get Red Robin up to muster... Tim is my favorite in the Bat-family and it pains me to see him ill-used.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Take Judd Winick's Jason Todd and then remove the whole killing people thing and you've got Red Robin!
Like, so far, the story isn't terrible? But it's not Tim Drake at all in any way
I'm hoping his guest appearance in Adventure Comics will be good. I was hoping that he'd be fine in Blackest Night: Batman, but he was worse!
Dick calls him up like "Tim, it's Dick." and Tim goes "I told you to leave me alone" and I was like "wow someone's a thirteen year old mad at their parents"
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Garlic Breadi'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm aRegistered User, Disagreeableregular
Take Judd Winick's Jason Todd and then remove the whole killing people thing and you've got Red Robin!
Like, so far, the story isn't terrible? But it's not Tim Drake at all in any way
I'm hoping his guest appearance in Adventure Comics will be good. I was hoping that he'd be fine in Blackest Night: Batman, but he was worse!
Dick calls him up like "Tim, it's Dick." and Tim goes "I told you to leave me alone" and I was like "wow someone's a thirteen year old mad at their parents"
It's worse then that though. I mean, his whole "searching for Batman" thing is just so illogical and weird. I mean, he's just sitting there one second and decides Batman is alive for no apparent reason.
It pretty much is exactly how Jason Todd would react to everything... and it is kind of frustrating.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Seriously. Batman and Robin is awesome. I don't know how much I'm gonna like it though when it flips to the other artist on Issue 4 (it is 4 right?). I love Quitely's art so so very much.
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Take Judd Winick's Jason Todd and then remove the whole killing people thing and you've got Red Robin!
Like, so far, the story isn't terrible? But it's not Tim Drake at all in any way
I'm hoping his guest appearance in Adventure Comics will be good. I was hoping that he'd be fine in Blackest Night: Batman, but he was worse!
Dick calls him up like "Tim, it's Dick." and Tim goes "I told you to leave me alone" and I was like "wow someone's a thirteen year old mad at their parents"
It's worse then that though. I mean, his whole "searching for Batman" thing is just so illogical and weird. I mean, he's just sitting there one second and decides Batman is alive for no apparent reason.
It pretty much is exactly how Jason Todd would react to everything... and it is kind of frustrating.
Well, he has an actual clue now. And I think I read in an interview that he has a real reason for thinking it and that it will be revealed later?
Take Judd Winick's Jason Todd and then remove the whole killing people thing and you've got Red Robin!
Like, so far, the story isn't terrible? But it's not Tim Drake at all in any way
I'm hoping his guest appearance in Adventure Comics will be good. I was hoping that he'd be fine in Blackest Night: Batman, but he was worse!
Dick calls him up like "Tim, it's Dick." and Tim goes "I told you to leave me alone" and I was like "wow someone's a thirteen year old mad at their parents"
It's worse then that though. I mean, his whole "searching for Batman" thing is just so illogical and weird. I mean, he's just sitting there one second and decides Batman is alive for no apparent reason.
It pretty much is exactly how Jason Todd would react to everything... and it is kind of frustrating.
Well, he has an actual clue now. And I think I read in an interview that he has a real reason for thinking it and that it will be revealed later?
Which means "covering up our tracks"
The whole book is like that, though.
It's set in some sort of nonsense time where nothing really makes chronological sense.
But, yeah. Pretty terrible. And some people were really impressed with it too, which is kind of sad.
Also, I hadn't read any of the Cass Batgirl until today, but Batman was just like that every time he showed up.
Was this the dreaded 90s/early 00s Batman that DC wanted to move away from with Infinite Crisis? Was he seriously like that in every book for just under two decades?
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How can he be like Jason Todd without the killing people? The sum totality of Jason's characterization was "I am really pissed off at Batman" and "I'm gonna kill people becaus it will piss off Batman"
Sure, like many of you, I hate the way Cassie was left by the side of the road, but the comic is not intrinsically bad. And at least they didn't kill her or make her evil again. She just left, leaving the costume behind, (which is not to say she'll give up crime fighting altogether). If Stephanie is really to become the next Batgirl, I want Cassie to be her teacher.
You're forgetting the part where Jason Todd is rash, Ringo.
He's rash.
Pretty much this.
I was referring to Jason Todd as Robin. Not Jason Todd as... well, whatever he's become since his return.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
Sure, like many of you, I hate the way Cassie was left by the side of the road, but the comic is not intrinsically bad. And at least they didn't kill her or make her evil again. She just left, leaving the costume behind, (which is not to say she'll give up crime fighting altogether). If Stephanie is really to become the next Batgirl, I want Cassie to be her teacher.
Do we need spoiler tags?
Is there some reason you wouldn't need to spoiler tag spoilers?
Sure, like many of you, I hate the way Cassie was left by the side of the road, but the comic is not intrinsically bad. And at least they didn't kill her or make her evil again. She just left, leaving the costume behind, (which is not to say she'll give up crime fighting altogether). If Stephanie is really to become the next Batgirl, I want Cassie to be her teacher.
Do we need spoiler tags?
Eh, I thought it was pretty mediocre.
The writer has a good handle on Steph but the way they handled Cass was terrible and his Oracle seemed to be pretty angsty. I don't really think the story was that great either.
Also, to refute what Lucascraft said in the last thread, Cass' series did not sell poorly. It was her mini-series that sold like crap but there's a lot of reasons why that happened (they'd fucked her up for the previous 2 years, Batgirl fans hated Adam Beechen and the writing was absolute crap). The mini-series seemed to be set up to fail, just so Didio could justify getting rid of Cass.
I sort of warmed up a little to the treatment of Cass after reading the interview with the writer on Newsarama.
I guess it makes sense that she'd be feeling hurt and lost after being officially adopted into the family, only to have her father figure die shortly thereafter. I don't think it comes across well since only about three panels were devoted to this and there was no buildup since Cass was never featured in any of the "grieving Batfamily" books.
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And Tim thought she was the coolest person ever. That no one in the family thought to help her with what happened (as lets be honest they're used to people dying all the damn time and coming back) kind of shows no one wanted to write about her.
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Just read that interview with Miller that was posted in the last thread. Glad to see he'll be working Cassandra into the book. Cass and Stephanie are supposed to be really close friends, so I'm hoping for a lot of interaction there instead of just ignoring that Cass exists.
I also have to say I've really been enjoying Dick Grayson as the new Batman. I've been reading Streets of Gotham and Batman and Robin and both have some excellent characterization. Damian is even growing on me a little bit and I hated the idea of him when he was first created.
Also how has Detective Comics been? I dropped it when Dini left and I'm curious how it's been.
Also how has Detective Comics been? I dropped it when Dini left and I'm curious how it's been.
Interesting, at least. The only time I've really enjoyed Rucka's writing was in 52, and so I was hoping to really love Batwoman & Renee in their own book. Unfortunately, I don't think it reads very well in singles.
Maybe wait for trade on it, would be my suggestion. However, it should be noted that Batwoman and The Question will be flipping places occasionally, and that their stories will most likely be collected separately, so waiting for trades may be kind of shitty as well.
I'm enjoying the art style of J.H. Williams, but I don't particularly care for some of his character designs. Specifically, I don't like his Kate Kane. This really hurts my opinion of the book since she's the main character.
However, his character design of Alice is pretty great.
There will be a Terry McGinnis mini-series early next year. We've heard the fans, we've heard everyone's interest. And right now we're planning to put out a Batman Beyond mini-series in 2010.
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So I decided to start reading Batman books. I've caught a few issues here and there, and loved the crap out of TAS, but never actually read the comics all hardcore like I should have. Batgirl, Batman and Robin, and Gotham City Sirens are cool so far. Are there any other books that I should be adding to my list?
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Streets of Gotham is worth picking up. Its written by Paul Dini and illustrated by Dustin Nguyen. The story is basically a continuation of the Heart of Hush storyline from Detective Comics.
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Not having read any Batman books, I wanted to focus on the new titles or reboots.
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Streets of Gotham is brand new. Detective Comics, starring Batwoman, is a "reboot" in the way that it's a (relatively) new character and new stories in an old book. It doesn't really require any previous reading and it's the most gorgeous book.
Not having read any Batman books, I wanted to focus on the new titles or reboots.
Still, you really should read some of the Batman trades from just before Battle for the Cowl, specifically Morrison's run on Batman. Otherwise, when Morrison starts referencing stuff like Batman #666 and Batman RIP, you won't have a clue what's going on.
Also, awesome news about a Batman Beyond book but I'm not keeping my hopes up. They're bound to fuck something up, like getting someone that's not Paul Dini to write it.
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I hope they can get Red Robin up to muster... Tim is my favorite in the Bat-family and it pains me to see him ill-used.
Take Judd Winick's Jason Todd and then remove the whole killing people thing and you've got Red Robin!
Like, so far, the story isn't terrible? But it's not Tim Drake at all in any way
I'm hoping his guest appearance in Adventure Comics will be good. I was hoping that he'd be fine in Blackest Night: Batman, but he was worse!
Dick calls him up like "Tim, it's Dick." and Tim goes "I told you to leave me alone" and I was like "wow someone's a thirteen year old mad at their parents"
DC does have a bit of a history with taking good characterization in the Bat people then kind of throwing it under the bus, eh?
And oh my god Keith is that real
It's worse then that though. I mean, his whole "searching for Batman" thing is just so illogical and weird. I mean, he's just sitting there one second and decides Batman is alive for no apparent reason.
It pretty much is exactly how Jason Todd would react to everything... and it is kind of frustrating.
Well, he has an actual clue now. And I think I read in an interview that he has a real reason for thinking it and that it will be revealed later?
Which means "covering up our tracks"
The whole book is like that, though.
It's set in some sort of nonsense time where nothing really makes chronological sense.
But, yeah. Pretty terrible. And some people were really impressed with it too, which is kind of sad.
Also, I hadn't read any of the Cass Batgirl until today, but Batman was just like that every time he showed up.
Was this the dreaded 90s/early 00s Batman that DC wanted to move away from with Infinite Crisis? Was he seriously like that in every book for just under two decades?
He's rash.
Do we need spoiler tags?
Pretty much this.
I was referring to Jason Todd as Robin. Not Jason Todd as... well, whatever he's become since his return.
Is there some reason you wouldn't need to spoiler tag spoilers?
Eh, I thought it was pretty mediocre.
Also, to refute what Lucascraft said in the last thread, Cass' series did not sell poorly. It was her mini-series that sold like crap but there's a lot of reasons why that happened (they'd fucked her up for the previous 2 years, Batgirl fans hated Adam Beechen and the writing was absolute crap). The mini-series seemed to be set up to fail, just so Didio could justify getting rid of Cass.
And Chuck Dixon should come back and write something, but noooooo.
Geez Bruce, can't you let it go for five minutes?
maybe like the taco bell avenger
or the noid
I also have to say I've really been enjoying Dick Grayson as the new Batman. I've been reading Streets of Gotham and Batman and Robin and both have some excellent characterization. Damian is even growing on me a little bit and I hated the idea of him when he was first created.
Also how has Detective Comics been? I dropped it when Dini left and I'm curious how it's been.
Interesting, at least. The only time I've really enjoyed Rucka's writing was in 52, and so I was hoping to really love Batwoman & Renee in their own book. Unfortunately, I don't think it reads very well in singles.
Maybe wait for trade on it, would be my suggestion. However, it should be noted that Batwoman and The Question will be flipping places occasionally, and that their stories will most likely be collected separately, so waiting for trades may be kind of shitty as well.
However, his character design of Alice is pretty great.
The story itself has been good.
I am LOVING Streets of Gotham, though.
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Still, you really should read some of the Batman trades from just before Battle for the Cowl, specifically Morrison's run on Batman. Otherwise, when Morrison starts referencing stuff like Batman #666 and Batman RIP, you won't have a clue what's going on.
Also, awesome news about a Batman Beyond book but I'm not keeping my hopes up. They're bound to fuck something up, like getting someone that's not Paul Dini to write it.