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All Aspect Warfare - Is this worth a shit?

MachismoMachismo Registered User regular
edited September 2009 in Games and Technology
So I saw a game on Steam:
All Aspect Warfare

I can't find a single review on this thing. I THINK it is made by 3000AD and, consequently, 'Dr.' Derek Smart, also known to be at the heart of the greatest flame war that ever graced Usenet. The King of Internet-Trolldom. That is, if he wasn't serious.

Anyway, it looks interesting. Huge space and land to explore in some Freespace-sounding style of play.

Steam link:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/36910/
Official:
http://www.3000ad.com/aaw/

Description:
Open world. You can build shit. Land and space combat. Apparently you can fly vehicles in space, land on a planet and build a base there, all in first person. Sounds cool.

Anyone try the demo? I didn't see it when I spotted it last night.


BTW, not sure if this thing is worth making anything more than a shitty op.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    This basically convinced me that I shouldn't bother.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Derek Smart?

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  • MachismoMachismo Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Holy shit. 2.5 of of ten from gamespot.


    LewieP, just check out Derek Smart on wikipedia.
    If you decry his games, he will descend from on high with a fiery vengeance. Basically, he has repeatedly acted like a dick, although in recent time he has been silent.

    Sadly, his game design skills have not improved.

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  • BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    LewieP wrote: »
    Derek Smart?


    nooooooooo WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    You quoted it ;D

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Considering it's a Derek Smart game, I'm pretty sure it's pure fecal matter pressed into a shiny, flat circular shape.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Considering it's a Derek Smart game, I'm pretty sure it's pure fecal matter pressed into a shiny, flat circular shape.
    poop diamonds

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  • LunysgwenLunysgwen Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I haven't purchased the game for myself, but I have been watching the steam forums for the game semi-actively, and I can say that he hasn't changed a bit. He will delete, argue, and shoot down any negetive comment about his game on the forums. I'm surprised the link to Gamespot is even there - And with further reading, he informs everyone in the forums that Gamespot just hates him.

    There are also a few minor problems with the game and he just informs everyone (When it's posted on the forums.)'I know of it and it's not going to be fixed for awhile.' and he keeps switching back and forth on the possiblity of DLC. Things like 'More terrian features like fish underwater.' that he expects people to pay for. The game is ugly enough, and I'm not going to be paying a developer to make it shiny. It's also $40 on steam.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Once you said Smart's name I knew I would not bother. That's just the way it is I am sorry.

    Reading him defend his game will be fun though.
    [quote=Quote:
    Originally Posted by freemansailor View Post]
    Wait til we see reviews from IGN, GT, G4TV then we will decide.

    People who make their buying decisions based on someone else's personal opinions are patently foolish. This has been proven to be the case time and time again. How many games got glowing reviews, but were rubbish? How many games got less than stellar reviews but turned out to be gems?
    Thats what demos were made for. Reviews (books, tv, movies, games, whatever) are based on someone's personal opinions and not meant to be any sort of endorsement whatsoever. Any gamer - who still has his gamer card - knows this. A well written review gives you more ammo to make up your own mind.

    Nice try. Do try not to derail this thread again because quite frankly we can do without the hassles of deleting your caustic posts/threads and which have proven to serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever - dispite the posting rules being pointed out to you time and time again. I know its hard, but try, 'mkay? Please?[/quote]

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  • Zilla360Zilla360 21st Century. |She/Her| Trans* Woman In Aviators Firing A Bazooka. ⚛️Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I love the ideas Derek Smart has for his games. I just wish he wasn't the one making them.

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  • Metal Gear Solid 2 DemoMetal Gear Solid 2 Demo Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    derek smart
    Derek Smart
    Derek Smart!

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    derek smart
    Derek Smart
    Derek Smart!

    You should sleep with one eye open tonight

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  • DudeMaYnDudeMaYn Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I played in the beta, got in a vehicle and drove through the wall of a building.

    I uninstalled it shortly after, because it didn't have collision detection until I hit some random building. Granted, it was a beta... but still... It was a beta without collision detection for the most part.

    Graphics didn't really appeal to me either, but it could just be that it's not my type of game.

    Edit: I should not multitask when posting.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    But this sounds so cool.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Malkor wrote: »
    Once you said Smart's name I knew I would not bother. That's just the way it is I am sorry.

    Reading him defend his game will be fun though.
    [quote=Quote:
    Originally Posted by freemansailor View Post]
    Wait til we see reviews from IGN, GT, G4TV then we will decide.

    People who make their buying decisions based on someone else's personal opinions are patently foolish. This has been proven to be the case time and time again. How many games got glowing reviews, but were rubbish? How many games got less than stellar reviews but turned out to be gems?
    Thats what demos were made for. Reviews (books, tv, movies, games, whatever) are based on someone's personal opinions and not meant to be any sort of endorsement whatsoever. Any gamer - who still has his gamer card - knows this. A well written review gives you more ammo to make up your own mind.

    Nice try. Do try not to derail this thread again because quite frankly we can do without the hassles of deleting your caustic posts/threads and which have proven to serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever - dispite the posting rules being pointed out to you time and time again. I know its hard, but try, 'mkay? Please?
    [/QUOTE]

    The funniest part about those quotes is that the thread's title is "Game Reviews" and the original post has links to reviews of the game.

    huh.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    "The sandbox mode does not require objectives because that’s the whole "sandbox" point. You create your own objectives. e.g, if you want to go take on any enemy base - just show up and see what happens. The AI is in full force and effect. So you can decide to take out their barracks, base or whatever."

    Man I don't know, that sounds pretty awesome. It would be even cooler if it was a persistent MMO world and you had different factions that are responsible for creating their own infrastructure and determining their own objectives.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    "The sandbox mode does not require objectives because that’s the whole "sandbox" point. You create your own objectives. e.g, if you want to go take on any enemy base - just show up and see what happens. The AI is in full force and effect. So you can decide to take out their barracks, base or whatever."

    Man I don't know, that sounds pretty awesome. It would be even cooler if it was a persistent MMO world and you had different factions that are responsible for creating their own infrastructure and determining their own objectives.

    If only someone could turn that idea into reality and then put it on Steam so I could download it, then release like seven free expansions or something I dunno.

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  • DavionDavion Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    DudeMaYn wrote: »
    I played in the beta, got in a vehicle and drove through the wall of a building.

    I played the demo and just casually pressing some of the buttons on my joystick made the game crash to desktop.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Derek Smart made a game kind of like this before, and it was total shit on a disc. This is probably no different.

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  • EliminationElimination Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Malkor wrote: »
    "The sandbox mode does not require objectives because that’s the whole "sandbox" point. You create your own objectives. e.g, if you want to go take on any enemy base - just show up and see what happens. The AI is in full force and effect. So you can decide to take out their barracks, base or whatever."

    Man I don't know, that sounds pretty awesome. It would be even cooler if it was a persistent MMO world and you had different factions that are responsible for creating their own infrastructure and determining their own objectives.

    If only someone could turn that idea into reality and then put it on Steam so I could download it, then release like seven free expansions or something I dunno.

    Yeah i wish somone would make that game one day. If only.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    That guy is still making video games? Woah, and I thought the gaming industry was a safer place after Thompson got disbarred.

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  • Nicho86Nicho86 Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Keep in mind that the physics work exactly how Derek Smart pictured them in his head (according to his posts on the Steam forums).

    So when you drive that jeep into a wall and get flung back through the air like a pinball, it's not a bug. That's Derek's vision! There are no bugs in this game!

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    "The sandbox mode does not require objectives because that’s the whole "sandbox" point. You create your own objectives. e.g, if you want to go take on any enemy base - just show up and see what happens. The AI is in full force and effect. So you can decide to take out their barracks, base or whatever."

    Man I don't know, that sounds pretty awesome. It would be even cooler if it was a persistent MMO world and you had different factions that are responsible for creating their own infrastructure and determining their own objectives.

    Dude, all of Derek Smart's base ideas are really cool.

    But every single piece of the execution is pure shit. His games are awful buggy complicated impossible to understand messes.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Davion wrote: »
    DudeMaYn wrote: »
    I played in the beta, got in a vehicle and drove through the wall of a building.

    I played the demo and just casually pressing some of the buttons on my joystick made the game crash to desktop.

    RPS has a real love-affair with the dude for some truly unfathomable reason. Even though whenever the comments inevitably turn sour they need to delete most of his posts for trolling alongside the rest of them.

    I mean, when the article about his game demo came up, one of the first people to try it came back saying it crashed. Instead of talking it through to find out the problem, Smart basically called the guy an idiot and said it was his own fault. The game couldn't have crashed for any reason to do with them because they'd tested it thoroughly and had no more bug reports left in their database.

    EDIT: Ah yes, here we go. I can't find his original response to the guy, because, surprise, RPS had to edit it and replace it with the following:
    [You'll have to be nicer than that here, Derek - our readers are largely expressing honest commentary based upon their experience of the game rather than simply taking a pop at you. We want civil and constructive discourse from both sides. Rest assured we have been deleting and will continue to delete the genuinely nasty reader comments, of course. Thanks, RPS]

    Later on however, we get this little gem:
    Sorry Derek. Although I’ve never particularly enjoyed your games, I haven’t found reason to bash them, either.

    However, your statement that “There are NO crashes in the game. Not one. In fact, there aren’t any bugs left in our tracking dB. So whatever that was about, check your system” is particularly arrogant. I can only hope that it was in jest.

    Arrogant? Maybe. But so what? I can be as arrogant as I want to be but at the end of the day I stand by my statements. If I know – for a fact – that there are no bugs in the game, then I have the right to say so.

    Why should I accept the postings of some seemingly anonymous non-entity on a board? Can you vet that person? Vouch for them? Do YOU have access to their machine? So what? Its better to take the word of some Internut at face value while lambasting the developers?

    No, it wasn’t a jest. I was serious because those are the facts.

    We’ve had people ignoring the DirectX 9 update requested by the installer, pressing “NO”, then come tell us that the game won’t run. We check their system? And of course the last time they updated DirectX, Clinton was president.

    I never underestimate the power of gamers to royally fuck up otherwise simple things. So if its not in my game – and I can’t reproduce it – chances are, its your fault. Prove me otherwise, and I’ll fix it and move on with my life.


    Then of course there's:
    I tried the marine mission…I ran, spotted an enemy, killed
    him, another appeared, I got killed and it crashed…hooray, seems like a
    good old 3000ad game :D

    There are NO crashes in the game. Not one. In fact, there aren’t any
    bugs left in our tracking dB. So whatever that was about, check your
    system.

    Also, all enemies come from somewhere other than thin air. So another
    didn’t just “appear”. He may have only just appeared to you, but since
    they intercept in groups and pairs, you probably noticed the other guy
    first.


    Yes he truly is claiming that his games come perfect and completely bug free. "Those are the facts". Grief.

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  • Special KSpecial K Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    The game is multi-threaded. Its not multi-core threaded. Those are two completely different things

    Can anyone help me out with that particular nugget of information from Mr. Smart?

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Special K wrote: »
    The game is multi-threaded. Its not multi-core threaded. Those are two completely different things

    Can anyone help me out with that particular nugget of information from Mr. Smart?

    well you see, the thread counts on this game

    exponential

    but this game doesn't run on apples, so no cores

    you see? genius

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  • Special KSpecial K Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Special K wrote: »
    The game is multi-threaded. Its not multi-core threaded. Those are two completely different things

    Can anyone help me out with that particular nugget of information from Mr. Smart?

    well you see, the thread counts on this game

    exponential

    but this game doesn't run on apples, so no cores

    you see? genius

    I see, thank you.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Yeah, I don't actually know why the RPS guys seem to love him. I've not played any of his games, but the combination of widespread consistent negative opinion from a wide variety of sources, and his general conduct have made me unwilling to even give him the benefit of the the doubt.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    LewieP wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't actually know why the RPS guys seem to love him. I've not played any of his games, but the combination of widespread consistent negative opinion from a wide variety of sources, and his general conduct have made me unwilling to even give him the benefit of the the doubt.

    You'd think from reading and constantly deleting his comments they'd realise he's actually just a giant egotistical nutjob. o_O

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Say what you want about Derek Smart, at least he's passionate at what he does.

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  • subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    Say what you want about Derek Smart, at least he's passionate at what he does.

    Other developers are very passionate about their work and their games. Most don't go around calling their customers idiots just because they say your product crashed, and it couldn't have crashed because that's impossible your product was perfectly made.

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    So this thread got me to read over the BC3K thing, and a ghist of the flame war that transpired

    hoooooly pooooop, on the one hand yea, some people are just antagonistic towards him, on the other, there is little excuse for treating customers that way (also, having a Ph.D means a genuine contribution to human knowledge, I dislike the idea of someone going around toting one when they in all likelihood do not have it)

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    urahonky wrote: »
    Say what you want about Derek Smart, at least he's passionate at what he does.

    So was John Wayne Gacy, and yet I can't figure out who is more batshit insane.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I think he's like a version of Peter Molynaux with worse ideas, and less capability to deliver on those ideas, and less idea of how to not come across as a prick from time to time.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    LewieP wrote: »
    I think he's like a version of Peter Molynaux with worse ideas, and less capability to deliver on those ideas, and less idea of how to not come across as a prick from time to time.

    Peter Molyneux, for all his faults, is infinitely superior to D. Smart in all possible ways. That doesn't amount to much, of course. It's like saying that something smells better than poop that was actually vomit eaten by a diseased goat before turning into poop.

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Reading his posts on usenet, one of his favourite things is to suddenly portray his opponent as a "worthless nobody" (paraphrasing). I was especially tickled when he used this tactic on a medical doctor.

    A shame the film Zoolander hadn't been created during the height of it
    "What have you done, Derek? Nothing! You've done nothing!"

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    I think his ideas are great, but he lacks the $$$ and manpower to actually make it happen beyond an alpha that is buggy as hell and looks like shit.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    Malkor wrote: »
    "The sandbox mode does not require objectives because that’s the whole "sandbox" point. You create your own objectives. e.g, if you want to go take on any enemy base - just show up and see what happens. The AI is in full force and effect. So you can decide to take out their barracks, base or whatever."

    Man I don't know, that sounds pretty awesome. It would be even cooler if it was a persistent MMO world and you had different factions that are responsible for creating their own infrastructure and determining their own objectives.

    If only someone could turn that idea into reality and then put it on Steam so I could download it, then release like seven free expansions or something I dunno.

    Yeah i wish somone would make that game one day. If only.

    My mind is blown.

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited September 2009
    darkmayo wrote: »
    I think his ideas are great, but he lacks the $$$ and manpower to actually make it happen beyond an alpha that is buggy as hell and looks like shit.

    It's not just money and manpower. His attitude is an insurmountable obstacle. You can't ever make a good game if you make a buggy piece of shit like that last one and then proceed to declare it's a perfect jewel.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2009
    LewieP wrote: »
    I think he's like a version of Peter Molynaux with worse ideas, and less capability to deliver on those ideas, and less idea of how to not come across as a prick from time to time.

    Peter Molyneux, for all his faults, is infinitely superior to D. Smart in all possible ways. That doesn't amount to much, of course. It's like saying that something smells better than poop that was actually vomit eaten by a diseased goat before turning into poop.

    Absolutely, I meant he has all of Peter Molyneux's flaws, only worse, and none of his (obvious) redeeming qualities.

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