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[WoW] Death Knights: In our defense, Arthas was being kind of a dick.

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  • VicktorVicktor Infidel Castro Rancho ChupacabraRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    aunsoph wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    aunsoph wrote: »
    The only Tanks that seem to out-threat me, assuming comparable gear levels are Paladins. What else is new?

    This surprises me a bit, because of the aforementioned threat of thassarian not affecting rune strike yet, and rune strike being such a tremendously large portion of DK threat.

    Threat of Thassarian includes Rune Strike on Live already. It was changed in 3.2.2.
    Seriously?! I completely missed that it came out in 3.2.2, I thought they were holding on to that one till 3.3!

    Awesome!

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  • BigityBigity Lubbock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    It was changed for DW Frost I'm sure.

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah, they are slowly implementing the necessary changes to make DW Tanking work.

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  • frylockedfrylocked Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    How will I be able to immediately tell a noob DK tank now :(

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  • JoshmviiJoshmvii Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    frylocked wrote: »
    How will I be able to immediately tell a noob DK tank now :(

    Because they're a DK? Zing. I'm just kidding by the way. :mrgreen:

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  • BigityBigity Lubbock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Spellpower gear is one way, although that's more stupid than noob.

    How about ones that can't handle threat on more than 1 mob, 2 if blood?

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Also watch for the tanks that drop DnD for Single target tanking situations.

    There's a small argument for it as Unholy, but still.

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  • WaltWalt Waller Arcane Enchanted Frozen ElectrifiedRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Also watch for the tanks that drop DnD for Single target tanking situations.

    There's a small argument for it as Unholy, but still.
    Of course, since they are Unholy, you already know they are a noob tank.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Walt wrote: »
    Also watch for the tanks that drop DnD for Single target tanking situations.

    There's a small argument for it as Unholy, but still.
    Of course, since they are Unholy, you already know they are a noob tank.

    I wouldn't be so quick to blame them. I'm pretty sure DnD was actually a threat increase in single targets for unholy in 3.0. So a player who stopped playing and came back could certainly make that mistake.

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  • aunsophaunsoph Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    frylocked wrote: »
    How will I be able to immediately tell a noob DK tank now :(

    Spellpower stuff, +Parry gems and shitty build. :P

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    frylocked wrote: »
    How will I be able to immediately tell a noob DK tank now :(

    If they have two fast weapons, like actual tanking weapons, instead of two slow ones.
    Septus wrote: »
    Walt wrote: »
    Also watch for the tanks that drop DnD for Single target tanking situations.

    There's a small argument for it as Unholy, but still.
    Of course, since they are Unholy, you already know they are a noob tank.

    I wouldn't be so quick to blame them. I'm pretty sure DnD was actually a threat increase in single targets for unholy in 3.0. So a player who stopped playing and came back could certainly make that mistake.

    Its good to drop down even in the current patch on a fight where the boss spawns, or is there to begin with but does some RP that delays him being targetable, like Jaraxxus, or Sapphiron. Drop the DnD on his spawn point to aid in picking him up.

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  • SegSeg Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bigity wrote: »
    Spellpower gear is one way, although that's more stupid than noob.

    How about ones that can't handle threat on more than 1 mob, 2 if blood?

    The talents talk about spells, even some skills mention spells, and Blizzard does a horrible job of making it apparent to players that Spellpower is not something they should be taking.

    So it is ignorance rather then stupidity. When you point out to that DK that Spellpower is a useless stat to them, and they proceed to insult you, then you know it is time to leave the party and find a different tank.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Woohoo. Got the 258 edition of Death's Choice tonight. Totally pumped. Its the first good item I've gotten in a while.

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  • BigityBigity Lubbock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Seg wrote: »
    Bigity wrote: »
    Spellpower gear is one way, although that's more stupid than noob.

    How about ones that can't handle threat on more than 1 mob, 2 if blood?

    The talents talk about spells, even some skills mention spells, and Blizzard does a horrible job of making it apparent to players that Spellpower is not something they should be taking.

    So it is ignorance rather then stupidity. When you point out to that DK that Spellpower is a useless stat to them, and they proceed to insult you, then you know it is time to leave the party and find a different tank.

    That's fair enough. A little external research clarifies that though. So let's not say stupid and say ignorant and maybe a tad lazy.

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Walt wrote: »
    Also watch for the tanks that drop DnD for Single target tanking situations.

    There's a small argument for it as Unholy, but still.
    Of course, since they are Unholy, you already know they are a noob tank.

    To be fair, Unholy tanking is actually doing better than it was. You have acceptable single target threat gen these days. Not too mention that your EH vs. unavoidable attacks gets a heft 6% buff with a neat CD to take the edge off (AMZ).

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Bigity wrote: »
    Seg wrote: »
    Bigity wrote: »
    Spellpower gear is one way, although that's more stupid than noob.

    How about ones that can't handle threat on more than 1 mob, 2 if blood?

    The talents talk about spells, even some skills mention spells, and Blizzard does a horrible job of making it apparent to players that Spellpower is not something they should be taking.

    So it is ignorance rather then stupidity. When you point out to that DK that Spellpower is a useless stat to them, and they proceed to insult you, then you know it is time to leave the party and find a different tank.

    That's fair enough. A little external research clarifies that though. So let's not say stupid and say ignorant and maybe a tad lazy.

    It would be nice if it actually showed you how much spell power you got from attack power.

    Also, it appears that we may no longer have to deal with DKs that pick up spell plate. Apparently in 3.3 it will be impossible to need on +spellpower as a melee class in a PuG.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm not really sure I like the idea of cross-server instances or mandated n/g

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  • aunsophaunsoph Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Woot! Got my Chestplate of the Towering Monstrosity and Burnished Quel'Serrar the same night!

    Even though it's 2.0 Speed, it's considered BiS by many due to being the slowest 1H with Stamina and an actual Tanking proc... one that procs a lot, mind you. Right now it's on my OH, but if I get the 10-man version to drop, I'll be dual-wielding them.

    The worst thing is that I won the roll for the 10-man one two weeks ago, but the Paladin said he really wanted it, and he was wielding a Peacekeeper Blade, which is lower ilvl, despite being well itemized... so I traded it to him after beating his 94 roll with my 98.

    And now two weeks later and he's still using his old weapon. I even asked him if he was gonna use it, and he said he would. Lesson learned: "Don't be nice to new guildies."

    Anyway, now I'm sitting at close to 41k HP unbuffed... in a Frost DW spec! Can't wait for that new Runeforge. Mmm.

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So if the new SS goes live, I may have to consider going back to Unholy for my spec of choice.

    I like Ebon Plaguebringer as a raid buff better than Abom's might, and as Unholy its not a trade off, where as abom's might takes some consideration.

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  • derangedhermitderangedhermit Madstrike PortugalRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    ... or mandated n/g

    What?

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    When you use the cross-server LFG, it automatically sets the loot system to Need before Greed, and enforces the rules of that system more strictly.

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So if the new SS goes live, I may have to consider going back to Unholy for my spec of choice.

    I like Ebon Plaguebringer as a raid buff better than Abom's might, and as Unholy its not a trade off, where as abom's might takes some consideration.

    That's precicely why I am DW Unholy. I don't need to sacrifice anything to bring my raid some sort of utility.

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  • ExistentialSoundandFuryExistentialSoundandFury Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm waiting for the SS change and I will be changing to 2H Unholy personally.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    So if the new SS goes live, I may have to consider going back to Unholy for my spec of choice.

    I like Ebon Plaguebringer as a raid buff better than Abom's might, and as Unholy its not a trade off, where as abom's might takes some consideration.

    I'm almost positive that I will. Having the ghoul again will be kind of nice, and I can probably fit in either On a Pale Horse or Imp. Unholy Presence, since it seems that Bladed Armor won't be so hot so that could be 3/5, and you can get by with 2/3 Morbidity.

    I'm still not a fan of gargoyle though, I wish that was replaced.

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm waiting for the SS change and I will be changing to 2H Unholy personally.

    I'm DW for a few main reasons.

    [1] - Less competition for weapons. In my guild we have 2 Furry Warriors, and a Ret Pally, whereas we only have 1 Combat Rogue. Meaning that my chances of getting what I need is much better.

    [2] - Since Off-Hand speed doesn't mean anything (as of 3.2.2) it gives me even more choices in gearing up.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah. Right now there is one spec of one class in the game that uses 1 handed DPS swords: combat rogues that use swords.

    At least DW DKs will make DPS swords slightly less useless.

    As it stands, there is not a single fucking person in my guild that wants a DPS sword when it drops.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Yeah. Right now there is one spec of one class in the game that uses 1 handed DPS swords: combat rogues that use swords.

    At least DW DKs will make DPS swords slightly less useless.

    As it stands, there is not a single fucking person in my guild that wants a DPS sword when it drops.

    Wait, are you saying that DW DKs don't really want one-handed swords? Are the axe and mace drops just generally better?

    I actually don't know this. I'd assume none of the beasts want them, because none of our DKs dual wield and our rogues are stylish.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    No, I'm saying that DW DKs do want 1handed swords. I don't even know how viable DW DPS is at the moment which is why I mention rogues.

    And yeah, none of our DKs DW and 200% of our rogues use daggers.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Septus wrote: »
    So if the new SS goes live, I may have to consider going back to Unholy for my spec of choice.

    I like Ebon Plaguebringer as a raid buff better than Abom's might, and as Unholy its not a trade off, where as abom's might takes some consideration.

    I'm almost positive that I will. Having the ghoul again will be kind of nice, and I can probably fit in either On a Pale Horse or Imp. Unholy Presence, since it seems that Bladed Armor won't be so hot so that could be 3/5, and you can get by with 2/3 Morbidity.

    I'm still not a fan of gargoyle though, I wish that was replaced.

    How can you not like Gargoyle? He's insane Fire-And-Forget DPS.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Last I checked, he can still be killed by aoe damage, and I categorically don't like long-cooldown abilities, especially if I can't carefully control where that damage is being done.

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  • VicktorVicktor Infidel Castro Rancho ChupacabraRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    When you use the cross-server LFG, it automatically sets the loot system to Need before Greed, and enforces the rules of that system more strictly.
    Don't the ALSO give you the option of having that item disenchanted when you win it. Like, there's no enchanters in the party, you win an epic, the UI gives you and option for an abyss crystal?

    In light of that change, AND cross realm PUGs, more strict loot rules are a necessity to prevent rampant abuse.

    edit: I think this is wrong... as you need an enchanter in the group for this to work. OK, I'm going back to general chat now...

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I don't even know how viable DW DPS is at the moment which is why I mention rogues..

    I would say that DW DPS is very viable. Lag permiting I can hit 6k with with Unholy DW. You don't see the huge numbers you do with 2H so it's not as satisfying but you get the job done.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    I'm not really sure I like the idea of cross-server instances or mandated n/g
    wut

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    Septus wrote: »
    Last I checked, he can still be killed by aoe damage, and I categorically don't like long-cooldown abilities, especially if I can't carefully control where that damage is being done.

    He will follow your target and he survives AoE just fine. AFAIK he has avoidance like any other pet.

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  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D Can I hit the exploding rocks? San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2009
    http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Zul%27jin&name=G%F6reshade

    This is what I have so far. My average seems to sit somewhere between 4.2 and 5.1k depending on the fight. Does this sound right?

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    shryke wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Last I checked, he can still be killed by aoe damage, and I categorically don't like long-cooldown abilities, especially if I can't carefully control where that damage is being done.

    He will follow your target and he survives AoE just fine. AFAIK he has avoidance like any other pet.

    If I press escape to stop attacking, does he stop as well?

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  • douglydougly Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    OtakuD00D wrote: »
    http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Zul%27jin&name=G%F6reshade

    This is what I have so far. My average seems to sit somewhere between 4.2 and 5.1k depending on the fight. Does this sound right?

    That sounds a bit low but it really does depend on the fight. Your hit is ridiculously high but your expertise is too low. It might be better once you work out a better stat balance.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2009
    Septus wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Septus wrote: »
    Last I checked, he can still be killed by aoe damage, and I categorically don't like long-cooldown abilities, especially if I can't carefully control where that damage is being done.

    He will follow your target and he survives AoE just fine. AFAIK he has avoidance like any other pet.

    If I press escape to stop attacking, does he stop as well?

    I'm pretty sure that non-controllable DK 'pets' will follow the generic commands of your perma pet.

    I know you can get the army of the dead to change targets based on what your ghoul attacks.

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    forty wrote: »
    I'm not really sure I like the idea of cross-server instances or mandated n/g
    wut

    I quite clearly meant to post this in ... another thread.

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  • fortyforty Registered User regular
    edited October 2009
    forty wrote: »
    I'm not really sure I like the idea of cross-server instances or mandated n/g
    wut

    I quite clearly meant to post this in ... another thread.
    Well, your quote was certainly relevant to the discussion as just before it was this:
    Also, it appears that we may no longer have to deal with DKs that pick up spell plate. Apparently in 3.3 it will be impossible to need on +spellpower as a melee class in a PuG.

    I'm more wuting about the content of your post, not its placement.

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