I actually liked that on my second time through it, I basically failed the interrogation. The guy's lawyer showed up so I pulled a gun on him saying "I could kill everyone here and walk away without a scratch." Then Thane says "Laws only work when everyone agrees to abide by them." Gave me a chill.
I will say, for the third game, I want to be able to help the Quarians retake their homeworld.
This has probably been covered before, but how's the DRM on part 2? Does it have the limited installs and online activation nonsense of the first one?
Since these things deterred me from buying part 1, this is relevant.
It's relevant, and they listened to fan feedback on that. Mass Effect 2 only has a simple disc check for the store bought version and doesn't require online authentication.
They encourage you to register it online however, by putting out free DLC online via the "cerberus network". In your game box you'll have a code with which you can redeem this stuff. It includes an additional character (complete with loyalty quest), and another short quest where you visit the Normandy crash site and place a memorial.
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
This has probably been covered before, but how's the DRM on part 2? Does it have the limited installs and online activation nonsense of the first one?
Since these things deterred me from buying part 1, this is relevant.
It's relevant, and they listened to fan feedback on that. Mass Effect 2 only has a simple disc check for the store bought version.
They encourage you to register it online however, by putting out free DLC online via the "cerberus network". In your game box you'll have a code with which you can redeem this stuff. It includes an additional character (complete with loyalty quest), and another short quest where you visit the Normandy crash site and place a memorial.
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
Positive approach? That's a huge improvement.
I'll have to pick this up somepoint.
The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
That makes it more likely. The collectors are all controlled through implants, and in ME1 Saren had free will until Sovereign used his implants to override it.
The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
Harbinger severing the link is what gives the General a few seconds of free will, that's what I'm talking about. Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again? I know there's other reasonable ways for Joker to get the data and introduced this as speculation, but there's nothing so crazy going on here to rule it out.
The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
Harbinger severing the link is what gives the General a few seconds of free will, that's what I'm talking about. Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again? I know there's other reasonable ways for Joker to get the data and introduced this as speculation, but there's nothing so crazy going on here to rule it out.
the biggest thing to me is that in a game with direction this good, it would surprise me if they went out of their way to show us that moment without it meaning something. Could be that we won't find out what it meant until the next game, but still.
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The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
Harbinger severing the link is what gives the General a few seconds of free will, that's what I'm talking about. Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again? I know there's other reasonable ways for Joker to get the data and introduced this as speculation, but there's nothing so crazy going on here to rule it out.
I didn't think the Collector general was anything special, I think he was just whichever Collector Harbinger decided to dump himself into to control the rest of them. Hence him just slumping over at the end - no personality, no real cognizance. Just another husk of a dead species.
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
Don't you have to be online connected to the service every time you want to play a savegame that uses Cerberus content? The reason I didn't register shit as I experienced the same thing with Dragon Age.
Bit more restrictive than merely registering online.
The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
Harbinger severing the link is what gives the General a few seconds of free will, that's what I'm talking about. Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again? I know there's other reasonable ways for Joker to get the data and introduced this as speculation, but there's nothing so crazy going on here to rule it out.
I didn't think the Collector general was anything special, I think he was just whichever Collector Harbinger decided to dump himself into to control the rest of them. Hence him just slumping over at the end - no personality, no real cognizance. Just another husk of a dead species.
Because the information is not clear unless you have one specific program for it, that's not exactly in common use.
openoffice.org
Anybody can open excel spreadsheets for free. It's not limited to one program. Also, excel spreadsheets are most certainly in common use, pretty much anywhere that conducts any business of any type.
FemShep pulls of the Renegade voice so much better.
No way. I just did the Krogan sushi mission last night with my female character, and instead of the hilarious delivery of the male version, you get some sigh of resignation that's not really funny at all. Ditto with the "this store discriminates against the poor" line.
You might say that Mark Meer doesn't have as much emotional range, but there's a lot of personality to his voice nonetheless. He sounds so non-plussed by everything, and his delivery is always slightly awkward, but I feel it definitely gives the character a variety of recognizable and charming mannerisms, which simply aren't present in the female dialogue.
In contrast, I've been utterly bored by my renegade female Shepard so far. Jennifer Hale is a one of the best voice actresses out there, but I just don't find her interpretation of Shepard to be all that interesting.
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The Collector General definately has a go at the controls after being released by Harbinger. Not for very long, but maybe enough to transmit to the Normandy.
I disagree that is what he is doing. He is probably shutting down the communications link to Harbinger on their end, not transmitting anything.
This is really far fetched.
Why would he shut down the communications link? The place is about to get blown up.
Who knows why, he could have been turning off the machine for any number of reasons. It is far more likely he is simply dong that than transmitting to the normandy, which is truly far fetched on this evidence. Especially because Harbinger says before he plays with the console that he is severing his link with the collectors at the time.
Harbinger severing the link is what gives the General a few seconds of free will, that's what I'm talking about.
So are you claiming he had free will before Harbinger made the connection? What evidence from the first cutscene is there to suggest this?
Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again?
It does not show him sending any data to the normandy, we already know EDI can hack systems so that is much more likely than the general sending it (of which there is no precedent in the game for him acting on his own in this way, except the rather comical "oh shit I'm doomed" look he gives at the end).
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
Don't you have to be online connected to the service every time you want to play a savegame that uses Cerberus content? The reason I didn't register shit as I experienced the same thing with Dragon Age.
Bit more restrictive than merely registering online.
Not to sidetrack too much, but I know I played Dragon Age on my laptop at my grandmother's house with Shale, and she doesn't have internet. I didn't have any problems.
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There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
Don't you have to be online connected to the service every time you want to play a savegame that uses Cerberus content? The reason I didn't register shit as I experienced the same thing with Dragon Age.
Bit more restrictive than merely registering online.
No. You log in to download stuff but after that you have it offline as well.
Playing offline means you miss out on the neat little Cerberus News updates in the main menu but that's it.
That's how it works on xbox anyway, I assume PC is the same
In contrast, I've been utterly bored by my renegade female Shepard so far. Jennifer Hale is a one of the best voice actresses out there, but I just don't find her interpretation of Shepard to be all that interesting.
I think on the whole Jennifer Hale has way better paragon dialogue.
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
Don't you have to be online connected to the service every time you want to play a savegame that uses Cerberus content? The reason I didn't register shit as I experienced the same thing with Dragon Age.
Bit more restrictive than merely registering online.
Couldn't say, haven't been offline with it so far. Can anyone else comment on this?
And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be online to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
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And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
They removed the "calling home" nonsense didn't they?
In contrast, I've been utterly bored by my renegade female Shepard so far. Jennifer Hale is a one of the best voice actresses out there, but I just don't find her interpretation of Shepard to be all that interesting.
I think on the whole Jennifer Hale has way better paragon dialogue.
Wait, really? When I played as Hale in Mass Effect I thought she always sounded a bit more renegade inclined.
Yeah, that's also part of my problem with her. The times I've chosen paragon responses in my current playthrough, she still kind of sounds like a renegade bitch.
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I have a Paragon Male and a Renegade Female. I've always felt that the respective voice actors suited paragon/renegade better oddly, so this set up works well for me.
And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
They removed the "calling home" nonsense didn't they?
In ME2 yes. I thought the install limits and needing online to install are still there in ME1 aren't they? I don't remember it being patched out.
And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
They removed the "calling home" nonsense didn't they?
In ME2 yes. I thought the install limits and needing online to install are still there in ME1 aren't they? I don't remember it being patched out.
IIRC, those weren't the things that incensed people it was the game wanting to call a server to authenticate on the internet or stop itself from working that got to people. I know they removed that in the end (thank god).
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Aside from having read the book for the ME series, I'm starting to read some wiki stuff about races and might jump to any sort of historical reference stuff. Still haven't played the games. I'm wondering if knowing this stuff prior to actually playing will help me appreciate the story more, even the finer details.
I like Turian social structure, it sounds super ideal as far as real life goes. Individuals taking responsibility and shit.
And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
They removed the "calling home" nonsense didn't they?
In ME2 yes. I thought the install limits and needing online to install are still there in ME1 aren't they? I don't remember it being patched out.
IIRC, those weren't the things that incensed people it was the game wanting to call a server to authenticate on the internet or stop itself from working that got to people. I know they removed that in the end (thank god).
I don't know what protection ME2 has (if any).
SecuROM disc check. Doesn't phone home. You can register with the cerberus network for extra stuff.
So are you claiming he had free will before Harbinger made the connection? What evidence from the first cutscene is there to suggest this?
Is there any reason why this is so far fetched besides that you said it again?
It does not show him sending any data to the normandy, we already know EDI can hack systems so that is much more likely than the general sending it (of which there is no precedent in the game for him acting on his own in this way, except the rather comical "oh shit I'm doomed" look he gives at the end).
This is just amazing reaching.
The General was never not under Harbinger's control, he had glowy eyes in the first cutscene he appeared. Seems to be that the collectors did their minor collecting business before Sovereign died, then Harbinger took control and made them abduct humans in mass. The few seconds at the end are the only time we see an uncontrolled General, who you admit did something or other but probably not send data to the Normandy.
If anyone wants to solve it further, host the HTML file directly, give me the link, I'll replace it.
it is the height of silly goosery to solicit hosting for an .html file eight times as large as the .xls because (supposedly) there are two people who there who in 2010 haven't figured out how to open a spreadsheet
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I do know that the disc swapping necessity is very hypocritical of BioWare because we aren't allowed to get comfy playing their game that they were so LAZY about making in the first place.
If anyone wants to solve it further, host the HTML file directly, give me the link, I'll replace it.
it is the height of silly goosery to solicit hosting for an .html file eight times as large as the .xls because (supposedly) there are two people who there who in 2010 haven't figured out how to open a spreadsheet
Having an opinion is cool. I don't know what else to say.
I'm wondering if knowing this stuff prior to actually playing will help me appreciate the story more, even the finer details.
It will.
Eh, I haven't done any background reading, I don't even read the codex. The information's there if you need it but they do a really good job of putting all the important information in the game itself.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I will say, for the third game, I want to be able to help the Quarians retake their homeworld.
Well, I found the mineral list anyway:
To obtain all the upgrades as a non-engineer (Engineer passive ability lowers
required research material amounts), you will require:
EEZO: 42,500
Iridium: 215,000
Platinum: 275,000 (Includes 50,000 for Med Bay upgrade.)
Palladium: 195,000
It's relevant, and they listened to fan feedback on that. Mass Effect 2 only has a simple disc check for the store bought version and doesn't require online authentication.
They encourage you to register it online however, by putting out free DLC online via the "cerberus network". In your game box you'll have a code with which you can redeem this stuff. It includes an additional character (complete with loyalty quest), and another short quest where you visit the Normandy crash site and place a memorial.
There's also a couple of new items that just came out for free on the Cerberus network (armour and a weapon).
All in all, I think it's a pretty good system. You still get the full game otherwise, no install limits, but you get bonus stuff for registering.
That was good for a chuckle. I sort of wish I didn't let them die now.
I'll have to pick this up somepoint.
"I'll relinquish one bullet. Where do you want it?"
*fires up new game to go full cock-and-balls renegade*
the biggest thing to me is that in a game with direction this good, it would surprise me if they went out of their way to show us that moment without it meaning something. Could be that we won't find out what it meant until the next game, but still.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Don't you have to be online connected to the service every time you want to play a savegame that uses Cerberus content? The reason I didn't register shit as I experienced the same thing with Dragon Age.
Bit more restrictive than merely registering online.
openoffice.org
Anybody can open excel spreadsheets for free. It's not limited to one program. Also, excel spreadsheets are most certainly in common use, pretty much anywhere that conducts any business of any type.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0rjzymdy22d
Like I said - not happening.
I am fully aware of what you can use to open an .xls file with, and you can even do it online without a program.
Thanks for the information though.
No way. I just did the Krogan sushi mission last night with my female character, and instead of the hilarious delivery of the male version, you get some sigh of resignation that's not really funny at all. Ditto with the "this store discriminates against the poor" line.
You might say that Mark Meer doesn't have as much emotional range, but there's a lot of personality to his voice nonetheless. He sounds so non-plussed by everything, and his delivery is always slightly awkward, but I feel it definitely gives the character a variety of recognizable and charming mannerisms, which simply aren't present in the female dialogue.
In contrast, I've been utterly bored by my renegade female Shepard so far. Jennifer Hale is a one of the best voice actresses out there, but I just don't find her interpretation of Shepard to be all that interesting.
This is just amazing reaching.
Not to sidetrack too much, but I know I played Dragon Age on my laptop at my grandmother's house with Shale, and she doesn't have internet. I didn't have any problems.
No. You log in to download stuff but after that you have it offline as well.
Playing offline means you miss out on the neat little Cerberus News updates in the main menu but that's it.
That's how it works on xbox anyway, I assume PC is the same
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I think on the whole Jennifer Hale has way better paragon dialogue.
Couldn't say, haven't been offline with it so far. Can anyone else comment on this?
And I think Xagarath was mainly worried about install limits and having to be online to be able to install and play the game at all, which was the issue with the DRM in the first one.
I don't see what the problem with putting a spreadsheet in the OP is.
They removed the "calling home" nonsense didn't they?
Wait, really? When I played as Hale in Mass Effect I thought she always sounded a bit more renegade inclined.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
In ME2 yes. I thought the install limits and needing online to install are still there in ME1 aren't they? I don't remember it being patched out.
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I solved the problem, it's in the OP.
If anyone wants to solve it further, host the HTML file directly, give me the link, I'll replace it.
IIRC, those weren't the things that incensed people it was the game wanting to call a server to authenticate on the internet or stop itself from working that got to people. I know they removed that in the end (thank god).
I don't know what protection ME2 has (if any).
I like Turian social structure, it sounds super ideal as far as real life goes. Individuals taking responsibility and shit.
It will.
SecuROM disc check. Doesn't phone home. You can register with the cerberus network for extra stuff.
it is the height of silly goosery to solicit hosting for an .html file eight times as large as the .xls because (supposedly) there are two people who there who in 2010 haven't figured out how to open a spreadsheet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Having an opinion is cool. I don't know what else to say.
Eh, I haven't done any background reading, I don't even read the codex. The information's there if you need it but they do a really good job of putting all the important information in the game itself.