The opening was lame. He drove her to a warehouse to show her a tape? And they all bought that? Huh?
He brought her there because that's where the director was apparently transmitting from (hence the digital camera setup.) One would think that the director set up that little movie show on the side to ruffle up the heroes who show up to late to arrest him.
Well ruffling up their feathers gave Chuck everything he needed to determine where Shaw was going to try to kill Sarah. Not only that, but it necessitated that whole poorly choreographed ruse, which in turn exposed Shaw as a traitor.
I just don't see what the Ring or Shaw gained by anything they did in this episode.
My best guess is that the director and the device that was taken from Ring HQ are going to be integral to completing the Ring's intersect.
Worst case for the Ring is that they create a wedge between Shaw and the CIA. Best case is that he gives them plans for the new Intersect, removes a CIA agent from the field and leave Chuck extremely vulnerable for a period. It's not a stellar plan, but it didn't look like it was going to cost the Ring much to try.
My point is that they seemingly squandered their advantage.
Is like an asset. They don't need to be highly trained or anything, there just needs to be some reason for them to be involved. Morgan is still on the declined side of that idea really, but he has enough points in the other column (Chuck, Casey, exposed Shaw, already knows the score) that it's not like it's totally out of the blue.
Oh, and yeah, like I said before: The opening sequence was good for the comedy/small dramatic angle, but it was pretty devoid of logic on everyones part.
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Is like an asset. They don't need to be highly trained or anything, there just needs to be some reason for them to be involved. Morgan is still on the declined side of that idea really, but he has enough points in the other column (Chuck, Casey, exposed Shaw, already knows the score) that it's not like it's totally out of the blue.
Oh, and yeah, like I said before: The opening sequence was good for the comedy/small dramatic angle, but it was pretty devoid of logic on everyones part.
Honestly, re: The Morgan
I think he's destined for the "analyst" type job that Chuck was offered at the end of season 2. I mean, all of his talents have pointed towards something like that. He's actually pretty adept at getting a different read on a situation, partially because of his nerdom, and part because he's more clever than even Chuck and himself realize.
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Since Casey actually respects and likes Chuck quite openly now, we need someone for Casey to be frustrated by for Adam Baldwin derisive grunting reasons.
And really, I'll forgive a lot of ridiculousness to keep that.
Also, just generally, we need things for Casey to do, as Chuck and Sarah are... distracted.
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The opening was lame. He drove her to a warehouse to show her a tape? And they all bought that? Huh?
He brought her there because that's where the director was apparently transmitting from (hence the digital camera setup.) One would think that the director set up that little movie show on the side to ruffle up the heroes who show up to late to arrest him.
Well ruffling up their feathers gave Chuck everything he needed to determine where Shaw was going to try to kill Sarah. Not only that, but it necessitated that whole poorly choreographed ruse, which in turn exposed Shaw as a traitor.
I just don't see what the Ring or Shaw gained by anything they did in this episode.
My best guess is that the director and the device that was taken from Ring HQ are going to be integral to completing the Ring's intersect.
Worst case for the Ring is that they create a wedge between Shaw and the CIA. Best case is that he gives them plans for the new Intersect, removes a CIA agent from the field and leave Chuck extremely vulnerable for a period. It's not a stellar plan, but it didn't look like it was going to cost the Ring much to try.
My point is that they seemingly squandered their advantage.
They didn't squander it, they lost it when Chuck and Casey unexpectedly showed up.
IF Chuck hadn't thought the fight was so cool that he secretly took a copy to show Morgan AND Morgan wasn't such a martial arts B-movie nerd that he spotted the choreography AND Chuck didn't figure out that Shaw would take Sarah to the place where his wife died, then their plan would have gone off without a hitch and the Ring would have Shaw as an operative and the CIA plans for the Intersect and Sarah would be dead. It's really a fluke that their plan failed.
The opening sequence and the setup with the fake fight are 2 different beasts. The first makes no sense. The second is workable.
Shaw and the Ring gained nothing almost from taking Sarah off to that warehouse other than making it less likely for anyone to believe Shaw was going to betray anyone. But he could have proved that without kidnapping her. Which they never explained. Like no one asked what the hell they were doing there.
The fake fight was an authorized mission and convinced everyone Shaw was a good guy and wouldn't have raised any questions.
One theory that has been proposed elsewhere is that Shaw triggered Sarah's emergency thingy, and it was a false flag to discredit Chuck with Beckman, knowing Chuck was suspicious.
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According to Shaw, the CIA told him where the Director was transmitting from. Now, Shaw may have been lying, but you'd think that'd be an easy thing for Sarah and Beckmann to check. Maybe the CIA did track down the transmission point and Shaw was forced to play along.
That or Shaw just wanted pad out his credibility for the eventual "This is where you killed my wife" part. "Look, see, I had the prefect opportunity to kill her, but I didn't, so I'm a goodguy!"
One theory that has been proposed elsewhere is that Shaw triggered Sarah's emergency thingy, and it was a false flag to discredit Chuck with Beckman, knowing Chuck was suspicious.
Or Shaw knew she triggered and so he had to go to Plan-B?
The opening sequence and the setup with the fake fight are 2 different beasts. The first makes no sense. The second is workable.
Shaw and the Ring gained nothing almost from taking Sarah off to that warehouse other than making it less likely for anyone to believe Shaw was going to betray anyone. But he could have proved that without kidnapping her. Which they never explained. Like no one asked what the hell they were doing there.
The fake fight was an authorized mission and convinced everyone Shaw was a good guy and wouldn't have raised any questions.
Lol, man, thinking to hard about chuck is missing the point of the show. But I can't stop!
One thing that really bugged me, is that Shaw had the fake the fight... what? Rather then have the highly trained bad ass evil spies take a punch... they put on a show that would make a pro-wrestler laugh? Jesus christ, let the blow connect, take it like a man! Your trying to trick the goddamn CIA!
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I'm more curious as to how Shaw managed to get the footage when it was destroyed in the Ring base and wasn't restored until after he had set up the warehouse.
I think? Can't remember if they gave him a copy; I thought they just knocked him out.
I'm more curious as to how Shaw managed to get the footage when it was destroyed in the Ring base and wasn't restored until after he had set up the warehouse.
You mean in the beginning? The Ring set up that warehouse: it's ostensibly where the director transmitted his hologram from.
Routh has been hamming it up in the last couple of episodes, and I am really sick of Beckman telling Chuck he isn't ready or some riff on Chuck not being a real spy, but this was a good episode that finally brought some damn closure. Now here's hoping Shaw isn't dead, and is elevated to the new director of The Ring (which is such a worse and less cooler name than Fulcrum I want to scream).
Yeah, for being 'not ready' Chuck sure gets shit done. I hope he gets a little more backbone now with Sarah firmly in his corner. Another Ellie speech or two if required wouldn't hurt, either.
I've had that same thought, ED. Fulcrum > The Ring in the name department.
Chuck has never given a shit what anyone says. Even Casey and Walker. Notice how he never stays in the car. Notice how he always snoops around in stuff that he shouldn't.
Chuck has never given a shit what anyone says. Even Casey and Walker. Notice how he never stays in the car. Notice how he always snoops around in stuff that he shouldn't.
Oh and on a completely different note:
RE: trailer for next week --
Julia Ling is back!
And SCOTT BAKULA!
That trailer is not for next week, it's for the next four.
Also: two weeks from Monday, not Monday.
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Yeah, for being 'not ready' Chuck sure gets shit done. I hope he gets a little more backbone now with Sarah firmly in his corner. Another Ellie speech or two if required wouldn't hurt, either.
I've had that same thought, ED. Fulcrum > The Ring in the name department.
Speaking of Ellie's speech, I was hoping that instead of telling Chuck "You didn't go to far. You didn't go far enough" that she would say he "didn't go too far enough."
But then I guess a reference like that is more in Morgan's corner.
I still don't get why people care about Anna. She is completely useless and the show is better without her.
Because she's hot.
Also, because she's hot.
And she was never bad, she just never got the chance to be good.
There was no Jeffster or Captain Awsome scenes for her, she was just background noise.
Yea, the only cool thing she ever got to do was beat up that big guy who's name I forget in a steel cage with a tripod.
True, she did a pretty awesome martial arts thing, that even impressed Casey. Then no one ever mentioned it again. Wasted potential, that.
Also weird, considering that in the Christmas episode she was stuck in the Buymore with everyone else, and when the hostage-taker went all martial arts on people she didn't lift a finger to help. She could probably have taken that guy out blindfolded.
One theory (the one to which I personally subscribe) concerning Anna is that she didn't drop Morgan for the other Hibachi chef guy. She got recruited by the CIA or NSA (Casey called up somebody while she was kung-fu'ing). She dumped Morgan because she didn't want him to find out about her blossoming new life as a CIA agent, for his own protection. Except that now he's hip to Chuck's jive, and (last week spoilers)
an operative himself
so she's dropped by to tell him so they can pick up where they left off.
One theory (the one to which I personally subscribe) concerning Anna is that she didn't drop Morgan for the other Hibachi chef guy. She got recruited by the CIA or NSA (Casey called up somebody while she was kung-fu'ing). She dumped Morgan because she didn't want him to find out about her blossoming new life as a CIA agent, for his own protection. Except that now he's hip to Chuck's jive, and (last week spoilers)
an operative himself
so she's dropped by to tell him so they can pick up where they left off.
I don't know that I would call him
an operative.
I would say that
Lackey or perhaps Specialist would be a more fitting term. Where specialist is used to indicate situations so far out of the ordinary that only someone as completely loony as Morgan would ever be able to function, knowingly or by accident.
I suspect this is a fan with too much time on their hands. But who knows.
Twitter is evil. This is more evidence.
Have I mentioned taking a random 2 week break for no damn reason is stupid and just another sign NBC is run by morons?
On an almost related note spoilers for Bones (and how it relates to Chuck in this instance) below:
The ending of the 100th episode of Bones is how I feared Chuck was going to play out (and would really piss me off if I had been watching the show for 5 damn seasons instead of only a month or so...but anyway). But thankfully Chuck's writers don't seem to be the normal 'lets drag this out until we're canceled' type. It's a stark contrast watching these 2 ending scenes close together. Both invoke emotion, just on opposites ends of the scale. Chuck, thankfully, is on the happy side...
I suspect this is a fan with too much time on their hands. But who knows.
Twitter is evil. This is more evidence.
Have I mentioned taking a random 2 week break for no damn reason is stupid and just another sign NBC is run by morons?
On an almost related note spoilers for Bones (and how it relates to Chuck in this instance) below:
The ending of the 100th episode of Bones is how I feared Chuck was going to play out (and would really piss me off if I had been watching the show for 5 damn seasons instead of only a month or so...but anyway). But thankfully Chuck's writers don't seem to be the normal 'lets drag this out until we're canceled' type. It's a stark contrast watching these 2 ending scenes close together. Both invoke emotion, just on opposites ends of the scale. Chuck, thankfully, is on the happy side...
Huh, I watched both episodes but never really thought about how they compared. Really glad the Chuck writers went the way they did, although I always assumed they would.
The break is so one of their highest performing shows runs during May Sweeps.
They could have also just ordered 2 more episodes. Good planning there.
Cost/benefit issues. Though why they didn't just air for 13 of 15 weeks instead of massive premiere event (though I suppose Pink Slip would have infuriated the fan base without the next two within 24 hours if they hadn't done it this way) and a two hour finale is a bit of a mystery.
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My point is that they seemingly squandered their advantage.
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Oh, and yeah, like I said before: The opening sequence was good for the comedy/small dramatic angle, but it was pretty devoid of logic on everyones part.
Honestly, re: The Morgan
And really, I'll forgive a lot of ridiculousness to keep that.
Also, just generally, we need things for Casey to do, as Chuck and Sarah are... distracted.
They didn't squander it, they lost it when Chuck and Casey unexpectedly showed up.
IF Chuck hadn't thought the fight was so cool that he secretly took a copy to show Morgan AND Morgan wasn't such a martial arts B-movie nerd that he spotted the choreography AND Chuck didn't figure out that Shaw would take Sarah to the place where his wife died, then their plan would have gone off without a hitch and the Ring would have Shaw as an operative and the CIA plans for the Intersect and Sarah would be dead. It's really a fluke that their plan failed.
Shaw and the Ring gained nothing almost from taking Sarah off to that warehouse other than making it less likely for anyone to believe Shaw was going to betray anyone. But he could have proved that without kidnapping her. Which they never explained. Like no one asked what the hell they were doing there.
The fake fight was an authorized mission and convinced everyone Shaw was a good guy and wouldn't have raised any questions.
That or Shaw just wanted pad out his credibility for the eventual "This is where you killed my wife" part. "Look, see, I had the prefect opportunity to kill her, but I didn't, so I'm a goodguy!"
Or Shaw knew she triggered and so he had to go to Plan-B?
Lol, man, thinking to hard about chuck is missing the point of the show. But I can't stop!
One thing that really bugged me, is that Shaw had the fake the fight... what? Rather then have the highly trained bad ass evil spies take a punch... they put on a show that would make a pro-wrestler laugh? Jesus christ, let the blow connect, take it like a man! Your trying to trick the goddamn CIA!
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Or it's all a convoluted murder by Chuck plot.
Or alternately, Shaw was really really stupid.
Yes, he's had that for quite a long time.
I think? Can't remember if they gave him a copy; I thought they just knocked him out.
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You mean in the beginning? The Ring set up that warehouse: it's ostensibly where the director transmitted his hologram from.
I've had that same thought, ED. Fulcrum > The Ring in the name department.
Oh and on a completely different note:
RE: trailer for next week --
And SCOTT BAKULA!
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Because she's hot.
Also, because she's hot.
And she was never bad, she just never got the chance to be good.
There was no Jeffster or Captain Awsome scenes for her, she was just background noise.
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Easily the least attractive female they've ever had on the show. And she was pretty pointless.
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Agreed on both counts. I didn't mind having her around, I just don't think she added much to the show.
That trailer is not for next week, it's for the next four.
Also: two weeks from Monday, not Monday.
Speaking of Ellie's speech, I was hoping that instead of telling Chuck "You didn't go to far. You didn't go far enough" that she would say he "didn't go too far enough."
But then I guess a reference like that is more in Morgan's corner.
Yea, the only cool thing she ever got to do was beat up that big guy who's name I forget in a steel cage with a tripod.
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True, she did a pretty awesome martial arts thing, that even impressed Casey. Then no one ever mentioned it again. Wasted potential, that.
Also weird, considering that in the Christmas episode she was stuck in the Buymore with everyone else, and when the hostage-taker went all martial arts on people she didn't lift a finger to help. She could probably have taken that guy out blindfolded.
One theory (the one to which I personally subscribe) concerning Anna is that she didn't drop Morgan for the other Hibachi chef guy. She got recruited by the CIA or NSA (Casey called up somebody while she was kung-fu'ing). She dumped Morgan because she didn't want him to find out about her blossoming new life as a CIA agent, for his own protection. Except that now he's hip to Chuck's jive, and (last week spoilers)
I don't know that I would call him
I would say that
Twitter is evil. This is more evidence.
Have I mentioned taking a random 2 week break for no damn reason is stupid and just another sign NBC is run by morons?
On an almost related note spoilers for Bones (and how it relates to Chuck in this instance) below:
Huh, I watched both episodes but never really thought about how they compared. Really glad the Chuck writers went the way they did, although I always assumed they would.
They could have also just ordered 2 more episodes. Good planning there.
Cost/benefit issues. Though why they didn't just air for 13 of 15 weeks instead of massive premiere event (though I suppose Pink Slip would have infuriated the fan base without the next two within 24 hours if they hadn't done it this way) and a two hour finale is a bit of a mystery.