State militias fall under the control of the administrative branch of government aka the office of the president according to the constitution. You have to realize the state militias at the time of the constitution were the army, national guard and navy all rolled into one. I stayed that way till pretty much WWI. That is why doing the Civil war you have stuff like 11th New York, the 8th Ohio and such. They were armed and supported state militias that during a time of war were called and put under the banner of the Federal government. So the only way you can have a legal militia is by having that militia when needed in a time of crisis or war to fall under control of the Federal government.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
Powerful state militaries would be the dumbest things.
we have them already
they are called the National Guard
Do they have tanks?
They do in the recruitment commercials.
Also, they're not powerful state forces if the president disagrees.
It's like when governor fuckwad tried to keep African Americans out of the University of Alabama and used the National Guard, so the president just Federalized them and they were ordered to stand down.
Or in more modern times, when New Orleans got Raped by a hurricane, and the national guard who WAS supposed to be there were in Iraq instead, because thats where the state's first responders should be, right?!?
Well, it's all relative. I was using an example of a good president stopping a bad use of the National Guard and you were using an example of a bad president stopping a good use of the National Guard.
Actually just found the clause stating control of militias to the president. Section 2 Article 2:
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
State militias fall under the control of the administrative branch of government aka the office of the president according to the constitution. You have to realize the state militias at the time of the constitution were the army, national guard and navy all rolled into one. I stayed that way till pretty much WWI. That is why doing the Civil war you have stuff like 11th New York, the 8th Ohio and such. They were armed and supported state militias that during a time of war were called and put under the banner of the Federal government. So the only way you can have a legal militia is by having that militia when needed in a time of crisis or war to fall under control of the Federal government.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
I get all of that.
I also get that the constitution should remain a living document that evolves as the needs change. The states lost a HUGE amount of control and autonomy when the military centralized, and I don't think it was a 100% good thing.
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Everytime I hear a Teabagger talk about revolution, I take great delight in reminding them of the Whiskey Rebellion and Shay's Rebellion. They think it will be like the American Revolution but don't understand enough of the history of how it happened.
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Chuck needs to hurry the fuck up and get back on the air. Like now.
State militias fall under the control of the administrative branch of government aka the office of the president according to the constitution. You have to realize the state militias at the time of the constitution were the army, national guard and navy all rolled into one. I stayed that way till pretty much WWI. That is why doing the Civil war you have stuff like 11th New York, the 8th Ohio and such. They were armed and supported state militias that during a time of war were called and put under the banner of the Federal government. So the only way you can have a legal militia is by having that militia when needed in a time of crisis or war to fall under control of the Federal government.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
I get all of that.
I also get that the constitution should remain a living document that evolves as the needs change. The states lost a HUGE amount of control and autonomy when the military centralized, and I don't think it was a 100% good thing.
And the idea of individual states having their own private armies is a good a thing? No the problem isn't a centralized military that is fine. The problem is after WWII instead of doing what we traditionally did and scale back our military to a low level with minimal investment we instead continued a near wartime production and budget for our military due to the fear of the cold war and later on do to the power of what we like to call the military industrial complex. Which is a large part of the economy now. Decentralization of certain powers isn't the answer, the answer is having a military that is read to defend but is not at full size wartime production and budget thus reducing its power in the country itself.
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Chuck needs to hurry the fuck up and get back on the air. Like now.
The season finally started getting good then break. I know it's for the new episodes but ugh.
So are Awesome and Ellie leaving the show? I get the feeling that the whole "awesome doesn't want to deal with this and Ellie still doesn't know so they're just going to go to Africa for a year" is the way of the new writers taking them off the show so it can go in another direction.
Just me though
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Chuck needs to hurry the fuck up and get back on the air. Like now.
The season finally started getting good then break. I know it's for the new episodes but ugh.
So are Awesome and Ellie leaving the show? I get the feeling that the whole "awesome doesn't want to deal with this and Ellie still doesn't know so they're just going to go to Africa for a year" is the way of the new writers taking them off the show so it can go in another direction.
Just me though
I don't think so. I think they are both under contract for a while. My guess is it will end up either leading to more Chuck hijinks or they will come back.
State militias fall under the control of the administrative branch of government aka the office of the president according to the constitution. You have to realize the state militias at the time of the constitution were the army, national guard and navy all rolled into one. I stayed that way till pretty much WWI. That is why doing the Civil war you have stuff like 11th New York, the 8th Ohio and such. They were armed and supported state militias that during a time of war were called and put under the banner of the Federal government. So the only way you can have a legal militia is by having that militia when needed in a time of crisis or war to fall under control of the Federal government.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
I get all of that.
I also get that the constitution should remain a living document that evolves as the needs change. The states lost a HUGE amount of control and autonomy when the military centralized, and I don't think it was a 100% good thing.
And the idea of individual states having their own private armies is a good a thing? No the problem isn't a centralized military that is fine. The problem is after WWII instead of doing what we traditionally did and scale back our military to a low level with minimal investment we instead continued a near wartime production and budget for our military due to the fear of the cold war and later on do to the power of what we like to call the military industrial complex. Which is a large part of the economy now. Decentralization of certain powers isn't the answer, the answer is having a military that is read to defend but is not at full size wartime production and budget thus reducing its power in the country itself.
I think that some form of service to state or country being an absolute requirement for gun ownership is a good idea, personally.
and if the National Guard could return to a point where the governor at the very least has the authority to say "no" to the president on a troop request (that could be overturned by some parliamentary supermajority process), and you told all the gun nuts that they had to be in the guard to own a handgun?
I'd love it.
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I am guessing since I haven't heard that chuck is coming back for a 4th season the writers are setting it up that if they are canceled than can end it gracefully.
Powerful state militaries would be the dumbest things.
we have them already
they are called the National Guard
right.
Who can be ordered by the president like any branch of the military to do his bidding.
That completely misses the point.
The Constitution disagrees
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States
I am guessing since I haven't heard that chuck is coming back for a 4th season the writers are setting it up that if they are canceled than can end it gracefully.
It's pretty likely. They added six episodes to the season and NBC has so many holes in it's line up that there are a lot of other shows in line to be killed first.
State militias fall under the control of the administrative branch of government aka the office of the president according to the constitution. You have to realize the state militias at the time of the constitution were the army, national guard and navy all rolled into one. I stayed that way till pretty much WWI. That is why doing the Civil war you have stuff like 11th New York, the 8th Ohio and such. They were armed and supported state militias that during a time of war were called and put under the banner of the Federal government. So the only way you can have a legal militia is by having that militia when needed in a time of crisis or war to fall under control of the Federal government.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
I get all of that.
I also get that the constitution should remain a living document that evolves as the needs change. The states lost a HUGE amount of control and autonomy when the military centralized, and I don't think it was a 100% good thing.
And the idea of individual states having their own private armies is a good a thing? No the problem isn't a centralized military that is fine. The problem is after WWII instead of doing what we traditionally did and scale back our military to a low level with minimal investment we instead continued a near wartime production and budget for our military due to the fear of the cold war and later on do to the power of what we like to call the military industrial complex. Which is a large part of the economy now. Decentralization of certain powers isn't the answer, the answer is having a military that is read to defend but is not at full size wartime production and budget thus reducing its power in the country itself.
I think that some form of service to state or country being an absolute requirement for gun ownership is a good idea, personally.
and if the National Guard could return to a point where the governor at the very least has the authority to say "no" to the president on a troop request (that could be overturned by some parliamentary supermajority process), and you told all the gun nuts that they had to be in the guard to own a handgun?
I'd love it.
I have no problem with required national service. This doesn't have to be military service but it could be civilian such as the CCC or something of the like. I also agree gun ownership should require more than a semi-reliable background check and some cash. I think it should require schooling and training and beating into the head of the owner the responsibility that comes with owning a gun. Proper use and care and storage. Where to fire and not fire and a whole bunch of other seemly commonsense ideas that for some reason a lot of people forget about.
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Monster Hunter 3 just shipped.
Guy's we're playing Monster Hunter 3 this weekend.
You'll get to see just how southern I sound...
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Monster Hunter? Is that some kind of Pokemon clone?
It's one of those chicken/egg situations. Is the crap created to provide new ways of using Hello Kitty, or does Hello Kitty exist so there's something to put on all that crap?
It's one of those chicken/egg situations. Is the crap created to provide new ways of using Hello Kitty, or does Hello Kitty exist so there's something to put on all that crap?
Mind. Blown.
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That hurts me deep, Chu.
Back when the US constitution was set up there was no real modern military as we think of it today. It is relatively new invention thanks a lot in part of industrialization.
No they are not. No Taxation Without Representation by a bunch of liberals is a lot different than No Taxation We Don't Like
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man
that sucks
did he sign up for that or were there too many mages and dps that that was all that was left
apparently Obama signed an EO doing away with having to get a governors permission to federalize a states guard
Well, it's all relative. I was using an example of a good president stopping a bad use of the National Guard and you were using an example of a bad president stopping a good use of the National Guard.
"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."
I wasn't finished!!!!
I get all of that.
I also get that the constitution should remain a living document that evolves as the needs change. The states lost a HUGE amount of control and autonomy when the military centralized, and I don't think it was a 100% good thing.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
if there's a revolution
and i see rednecks shooting at decent americans following presidential orders
man
this gun owner will surprise his fellow gun owners, maybe
it makes me furious beyond speaking
The season finally started getting good then break. I know it's for the new episodes but ugh.
I know that sounds unfair, but I can't afford to go to Hawaii anyway, so I don't care.
god
And the idea of individual states having their own private armies is a good a thing? No the problem isn't a centralized military that is fine. The problem is after WWII instead of doing what we traditionally did and scale back our military to a low level with minimal investment we instead continued a near wartime production and budget for our military due to the fear of the cold war and later on do to the power of what we like to call the military industrial complex. Which is a large part of the economy now. Decentralization of certain powers isn't the answer, the answer is having a military that is read to defend but is not at full size wartime production and budget thus reducing its power in the country itself.
So are Awesome and Ellie leaving the show? I get the feeling that the whole "awesome doesn't want to deal with this and Ellie still doesn't know so they're just going to go to Africa for a year" is the way of the new writers taking them off the show so it can go in another direction.
Just me though
I don't think so. I think they are both under contract for a while. My guess is it will end up either leading to more Chuck hijinks or they will come back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuq8ZU2Uf_0
and if the National Guard could return to a point where the governor at the very least has the authority to say "no" to the president on a troop request (that could be overturned by some parliamentary supermajority process), and you told all the gun nuts that they had to be in the guard to own a handgun?
I'd love it.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
The Constitution disagrees
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It's pretty likely. They added six episodes to the season and NBC has so many holes in it's line up that there are a lot of other shows in line to be killed first.
I have no problem with required national service. This doesn't have to be military service but it could be civilian such as the CCC or something of the like. I also agree gun ownership should require more than a semi-reliable background check and some cash. I think it should require schooling and training and beating into the head of the owner the responsibility that comes with owning a gun. Proper use and care and storage. Where to fire and not fire and a whole bunch of other seemly commonsense ideas that for some reason a lot of people forget about.
Guy's we're playing Monster Hunter 3 this weekend.
You'll get to see just how southern I sound...
Come, my pretties. Come to me and sell our products.
My 401k needs your tireless labor!
Bama sounds very southern. I'm not sure what my accent is any more.
It's one of those chicken/egg situations. Is the crap created to provide new ways of using Hello Kitty, or does Hello Kitty exist so there's something to put on all that crap?
I'd invite you to the south, but i mean....You might be mistaken for a jew...and we all know what happened to the last jewish guy in gerogia
That sounds cool, too bad I don't gots no Wii
But I also have so many games to play.
On the other hand this is a game that would be especially fun to play co-op, and therefor might require a time-sensitive purchase.
Hmmmmmm
Mind. Blown.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.