Are you honestly suggesting that livestock farming is somehow more ethical than hunting?
Will, do you believe that it's okay for a livestock farmer to enjoy his work, and that this makes him not a psychopath, whereas hunters are psychopaths?
Your entire viewpoint as expressed is really, really shakey dude. I'm kind of surprised at it, unless you're just being a devil's advocate here.
i'm being like 70% devil's advocate because i don't mind subsistance hunting
and i don't mind meat production
but i do find sport hunting ethically questionable
and i find people who revel in the killing of living things kind of creepy
and i don't really see how the fact that i eat meat carries some responsbility to regard people who exalt in killing animals as "not creepy"
i take issue with this premise of yours
for instance, i like having policemen in our society. i think they're necessary
but the kinds of personality traits that are required for most cops are pretty odious.
so i don't really like cops, even though i recognize that they're necessary and i appreciate that they exist.
similarly, i hate mosquitoes. they buzz aroudn and bite you and suck your blood and leave welts.
hate mosquitoes
and yet mosquitoes are necessary for the pollination of many flowers and fruits!
so is it illegitimite for me to enjoy fruits but dislike mosquitoes?
I find it really, really weird that some people have this huge moral divide in their minds between "eating what you kill" and "hunting for sport".
If a man kills a bear, and he eats the meat, uses the pelt, etc. how is he the moral superior of a man who kills a bear and then stuffs it and puts it in his living room?
Both men didn't need to kill that bear. That bear did not need to die, except perhaps for population control reasons (which is generally untrue of bears, anyway, but is applicable to stuff like deer). The man did not need to kill the bear, he chose to. He chose to do it, and he enjoyed the act of hunting the bear down and killing it. Maybe he enjoyed the hunt more than the kill, maybe the kill more than the hunt, but he did enjoy it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have done it. It was entirely optional to his existence.
How is one morally repugnant, but the other morally acceptable? It's ridiculous. You still killed an animal and used its body for your own totally optional purposes.
To me, hunting for food is way more...honorable, as killing an animal yourself gives you a much greater respect for the animal and eating it has greater significance.
Did/do some cultures pray over a kill or was that just in Avatar?
I don't know that they prayed over it, but I'm pretty sure the act of hunting/eating was a ritual in some cultures
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Does it matter that I never asked them to do it? Also you still seem to be having trouble distinguishing ends from means.
Morticians have to wash the balls of dead men. They take a sponge, and they gently and carefully scrub a dead man's balls. This is part of what a mortician does in "preparing a body".
People choose to be morticians. They don't have to be, they choose to be. They might be choosing due to a bunch of external pressures (it's the family business, etc.) but in the end, they choose to do that work.
If a person enjoys being a mortician, does that make them a horrid ghoul? I think it would depend on the level of enjoyment, wouldn't you? If they derived like, sexual pleasure from it, or started salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on a corpse, I think we'd all think that was some psychologically unhealthy behavior.
But if he whistled while he worked, smiled and joked around with his co-workers, found some dark levity in his job, is that wrong? Does that make him morally repugnant?
I think not.
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Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Does it matter that I never asked them to do it? Also you still seem to be having trouble distinguishing ends from means.
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Hating? Sure. Thinking that it's a necessary job that nonetheless macerates the soul of the person doing it? I don't think that's hypocritical in the least. I think the same is also true of jailers, for instance, or insurance claims adjusters. What they do is important but it takes its toll.
I also submit that there are plenty of worse things to be in life than a hypocrite.
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Does it matter that I never asked them to do it? Also you still seem to be having trouble distinguishing ends from means.
what're you
a libertarian
No I'm a guy that doesn't answer questions. We should start a club!
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Hating? Sure. Thinking that it's a necessary job that nonetheless macerates the soul of the person doing it? I don't think that's hypocritical in the least. I think the same is also true of jailers, for instance, or insurance claims adjusters. What they do is important but it takes its toll.
I also submit that there are plenty of worse things to be in life than a hypocrite.
I heard the worst soul crushing job is the person who executes livestock. They rotate them now, but they didn't used to, and some of those guys would have eyes like a dolls eyes...
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
You think that you need to have a personal appreciation for every person in society whose works you enjoy in some measure?
because there are a lot of personally awful people who do important things.
and your contendion that your personal feelings about someone is solely geared to their relative "importance" to either society or the goods/ services you personally enjoy strikes me as probably not strictly true.
I mean have you worked with soldiers or cops? A lot of them really are huge dicks, and the culture of cops and soldiers tends to be kind of dickish too.
Now, you're saying that someone who is actually unrelated to the production of a consumer good i enjoy (hunters and meat, respectively) deserve my gratitude, respect and personal appreciation because they are kind of like commercial meat producers.
it's kind of ridiculous, pony. do you think that other people get to dictate to you what people you should like or dislike?
Also, I think hating cops or the military is ridiculous, and having a viewpoint like "the kind of person who wants to be a soldier is the kind of person I don't want to be around" makes you a hypocritical asshole for enjoying the safety and freedom that soldier's existence provides for you.
Hating? Sure. Thinking that it's a necessary job that nonetheless macerates the soul of the person doing it? I don't think that's hypocritical in the least. I think the same is also true of jailers, for instance, or insurance claims adjusters. What they do is important but it takes its toll.
I also submit that there are plenty of worse things to be in life than a hypocrite.
I heard the worst soul crushing job is the person who executes livestock. They rotate them now, but they didn't used to, and some of those guys would have eyes like a dolls eyes...
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i'm being like 70% devil's advocate because i don't mind subsistance hunting
and i don't mind meat production
but i do find sport hunting ethically questionable
and i find people who revel in the killing of living things kind of creepy
and i don't really see how the fact that i eat meat carries some responsbility to regard people who exalt in killing animals as "not creepy"
i take issue with this premise of yours
for instance, i like having policemen in our society. i think they're necessary
but the kinds of personality traits that are required for most cops are pretty odious.
so i don't really like cops, even though i recognize that they're necessary and i appreciate that they exist.
similarly, i hate mosquitoes. they buzz aroudn and bite you and suck your blood and leave welts.
hate mosquitoes
and yet mosquitoes are necessary for the pollination of many flowers and fruits!
so is it illegitimite for me to enjoy fruits but dislike mosquitoes?
i posit that it is!
At or with?
as long as the act of milf consummation itself is undertaken with solemn, almost regretful ardor, i see no problem with it.
If a man kills a bear, and he eats the meat, uses the pelt, etc. how is he the moral superior of a man who kills a bear and then stuffs it and puts it in his living room?
Both men didn't need to kill that bear. That bear did not need to die, except perhaps for population control reasons (which is generally untrue of bears, anyway, but is applicable to stuff like deer). The man did not need to kill the bear, he chose to. He chose to do it, and he enjoyed the act of hunting the bear down and killing it. Maybe he enjoyed the hunt more than the kill, maybe the kill more than the hunt, but he did enjoy it. Otherwise, he wouldn't have done it. It was entirely optional to his existence.
How is one morally repugnant, but the other morally acceptable? It's ridiculous. You still killed an animal and used its body for your own totally optional purposes.
Or Hunter Thompson?
Why would I be laughing at Than for this?
Or did you mean the people with anime avatars? Because how would I be laughing with them? I've never had an anime avatar.
If you're taking photos giving a thumbs up right after you bagged the catch though while holding her up for the camera, that's kind of douchey, right?
blech
basically my civil rights were stomped on and i have few/no witnesses so i don't think that i will get any recourse
I don't know that they prayed over it, but I'm pretty sure the act of hunting/eating was a ritual in some cultures
But now you have the Misfits logo, therefore you have dibs on it.
:? That sucks.
The future is not looking so good for the Pre right now.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Hey baby is that a monad in your pocket or are you just happy to see me
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Really?
always reminds me of the dudes from Alien Nation
Nichu just found out he's part black.
People choose to be morticians. They don't have to be, they choose to be. They might be choosing due to a bunch of external pressures (it's the family business, etc.) but in the end, they choose to do that work.
If a person enjoys being a mortician, does that make them a horrid ghoul? I think it would depend on the level of enjoyment, wouldn't you? If they derived like, sexual pleasure from it, or started salivating at the prospect of getting their hands on a corpse, I think we'd all think that was some psychologically unhealthy behavior.
But if he whistled while he worked, smiled and joked around with his co-workers, found some dark levity in his job, is that wrong? Does that make him morally repugnant?
I think not.
i'm not going to go into details until i'm sure this won't progress any further
i still have several other attorneys with whom i plan to speak
what're you
a libertarian
Hating? Sure. Thinking that it's a necessary job that nonetheless macerates the soul of the person doing it? I don't think that's hypocritical in the least. I think the same is also true of jailers, for instance, or insurance claims adjusters. What they do is important but it takes its toll.
I also submit that there are plenty of worse things to be in life than a hypocrite.
Well, Jason Segel with a shaven head in a weird light.
Gotcha.
Good luck / kick ass / etc!
Oh man I remember that show! Shit, I was like 5 when that was on.
Oh man have you guys played monster hunter yet? I am so addicted to it right now its amazing.
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I heard the worst soul crushing job is the person who executes livestock. They rotate them now, but they didn't used to, and some of those guys would have eyes like a dolls eyes...
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You think that you need to have a personal appreciation for every person in society whose works you enjoy in some measure?
because there are a lot of personally awful people who do important things.
and your contendion that your personal feelings about someone is solely geared to their relative "importance" to either society or the goods/ services you personally enjoy strikes me as probably not strictly true.
I mean have you worked with soldiers or cops? A lot of them really are huge dicks, and the culture of cops and soldiers tends to be kind of dickish too.
Now, you're saying that someone who is actually unrelated to the production of a consumer good i enjoy (hunters and meat, respectively) deserve my gratitude, respect and personal appreciation because they are kind of like commercial meat producers.
it's kind of ridiculous, pony. do you think that other people get to dictate to you what people you should like or dislike?
Look their monsters sabs, like legal mexicans not real.
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Yeah, that'd do it.