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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Rolo wrote: »
    Bad thing:

    The most dangerous thing would be introducing a bacteria cell into an environment that isn't prepared for it, and having that cell multiply at an uncontrolled rate. Remember the episode of the Simpsons where Bart brings his frog to Australia? That kind of thing could happen when people get ideas like 'let's engineer a bacteria that can break down plastics and oils", and then the bacteria makes its way into the wild or gets flushed into the ocean.

    There is a sci-fi movie that has this exact plot

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    can we set a death timer on these bacteria so that even if they're multiplying, after a certain period, they'll be dying faster than the can multiply?

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    AoR_Final wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    Bad thing:

    The most dangerous thing would be introducing a bacteria cell into an environment that isn't prepared for it, and having that cell multiply at an uncontrolled rate. Remember the episode of the Simpsons where Bart brings his frog to Australia? That kind of thing could happen when people get ideas like 'let's engineer a bacteria that can break down plastics and oils", and then the bacteria makes its way into the wild or gets flushed into the ocean.

    Another example is how kudzu went wild in the Deep South.

    Somebody brought kudzu seeds over from Japan, next thing you know the kudzu's strangling the existing plants by growing over it.

    http://www.cracked.com/article_18503_how-biotech-company-almost-killed-world-with-booze.html

    summing that up, a biotech company nearly released a genetically engineered microbe that would have killed all plant life

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I am waiting to have kids until I can biogineer them to have ultimate boners on command

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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    rabbits into Australia

    cane toads into Australia

    pretty much every animal ever brought to Australia

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    ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Rolo wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    is there any work of science fiction where playing God turns out to be pretty okay?

    You're only 'playing god' when something goes horribly wrong.

    The rest of the time you're curing cancer.

    I would call curing cancer playing God

    Many forms of modern medicine is playing God. I doubt Organ Transplants were in the original blueprints.

    I realize this

    It doesn't mean I agree with it

    But whatever, might as well not stop now, you guys are right

    wait are you like

    am i reading this right

    you don't think organ transplants are okay

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    Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    can we set a death timer on these bacteria so that even if they're multiplying, after a certain period, they'll be dying faster than the can multiply?

    Nature finds a way.

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    can we set a death timer on these bacteria so that even if they're multiplying, after a certain period, they'll be dying faster than the can multiply?

    Nature finds a way.

    ...like...tears...in the rain...

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    LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2010
    Squall wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    Larlar wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    is there any work of science fiction where playing God turns out to be pretty okay?

    I'll write one when I'm done with my current story. That sounds like fun.

    maybe I should also write something

    start a trend

    I agree

    Only I may write.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    It's really important to stress though that we're still a long ways off of even engineering things like stem cells or bacteria for any particular purpose.

    The best we're able to do is analyze the aspects of a very simple DNA structure that already exists, replicate it on our own, and then take that engineered DNA structure and have it self-replicate inside of a another very simple cell.

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    VivixenneVivixenne Remember your training, and we'll get through this just fine. Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    ooooooh those are some great and very well-worded answers, guys

    cheers

    shoe at least MY unoriginal question generated some GOOD answers so NYEH

    you smell

    there's a good answer for you

    take it to the bank

    the smell bank

    it is the only bank that will have you

    because you smell
    your MOM smells

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    Vivixenne wrote: »
    ooooooh those are some great and very well-worded answers, guys

    cheers

    shoe at least MY unoriginal question generated some GOOD answers so NYEH

    you smell

    there's a good answer for you

    take it to the bank

    the smell bank

    it is the only bank that will have you

    because you smell
    your MOM smells

    good one

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    Romanian My EscutcheonRomanian My Escutcheon Two of Forks Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    can we set a death timer on these bacteria so that even if they're multiplying, after a certain period, they'll be dying faster than the can multiply?

    Nature finds a way.

    Yeah, that was part of the plot in Jurassic Park (the book, not the movie).

    The scientists who created the dinosaurs made it so that they'd die if they didn't get a lysine supplement with their meals.

    But when the dinos got free, they started eating lysene rich foods like chicken and lima beans.

    The same thing could happen with these cells; you set up a kill switch, but it either gets circumvented, or it fails completely.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    this is an accurate summary of my thoughts on this hot-button issue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDe5Ckt4joQ

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Rolo wrote: »
    It's really important to stress though that we're still a long ways off of even engineering things like stem cells or bacteria for any particular purpose.

    The best we're able to do is analyze the aspects of a very simple DNA structure that already exists, replicate it on our own, and then take that engineered DNA structure and have it self-replicate inside of a another very simple cell.

    Is there a way to make this sound mundane in anyway


    Because still this is fucking incredible.

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    AoR_Final wrote: »
    Tam wrote: »
    can we set a death timer on these bacteria so that even if they're multiplying, after a certain period, they'll be dying faster than the can multiply?

    Nature finds a way.

    Yeah, that was part of the plot in Jurassic Park (the book, not the movie).

    The scientists who created the dinosaurs made it so that they'd die if they didn't get a lysine supplement with their meals.

    But when the dinos got free, they started eating lysene rich foods like chicken and lima beans.

    The same thing could happen with these cells; you set up a kill switch, but it either gets circumvented, or it fails completely.

    oh well

    I wonder how well we could engineer symbiosis

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    hey guys so how far off do you think the singularity is now

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    hey guys so how far off do you think the singularity is now

    shut up god dammit

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    being posthuman is going to own so hard

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    edited May 2010
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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    hey guys so how far off do you think the singularity is now

    it's tomorrow.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Tam wrote: »
    hey guys so how far off do you think the singularity is now
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iDgn6EyHPo

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    MugginsMuggins Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Ok I'm going to bed now

    toodles

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Houk wrote: »
    Basically, the phrase "playing God" is really stupid and only used to demonize something without addressing the actual issue!

    this is essentially why I avoided using the term in my original post

    it's nebulous at best and stupid at worst

    I just wonder, if we get to the point where we can genetically modify humans, where's that line, the line between making it so you never get cancer, and making it so you look exactly the way your parents want you to, finding the genetic markers for homosexuality and overwriting them, etc

    would it destroy individuality? is that bad? who ate my schnitzel?

    Pretty much all of human culture is dictated by our adaptability. The common anchors in culture are based around things that we can't fully adapt to our own purposes - we all have basic biological processes, we all need to sleep, eat, shit and have sex to reproduce. We're all born, we grow up and we all eventually die.

    In the far, far science-fiction future where we're able to control even some of those processes, our culture and society will inevitably change as this technology is developed and adapted. Potentially we could become a race that doesn't need to build cities or roads or change our environment to suit the limitations of our selves, but instead change ourselves to completely adapt to our environment. You wouldn't recognize those humans or their culture, because they wouldn't really be humans anymore.

    More likely we'll just use it grow ourselves giant dongers though.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    life finds a way!

    except for the hundred and fifty species that go extinct every day

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    rolo you are the best

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    MaceraMacera UGH GODDAMMIT STOP ENJOYING THINGSRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Skull Man wrote: »
    life finds a way!

    except for the hundred and fifty species that go extinct every day

    Yeah guys, life is actually pretty fucking fragile

    I wouldn't worry about something which has been created under very specific conditions going out of control

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    THEY WERE TOO WEAK TO SURVIVE IN OUR WORLD HAAHAHAHehHYHAEWYHHAHAHAHAHAHHYFAFHAWY

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Skull Man wrote: »
    life finds a way!

    except for the hundred and fifty species that go extinct every day

    They should get better at living, you know branch out a little. Instead of only living on ONE FUCKING REDWOOD TREE IN THE WORLD

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    rolo I appreciate you taking my poorly worded and kind of silly way of asking these questions seriously

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Projeck wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    is there any work of science fiction where playing God turns out to be pretty okay?

    You're only 'playing god' when something goes horribly wrong.

    The rest of the time you're curing cancer.

    I would call curing cancer playing God

    Many forms of modern medicine is playing God. I doubt Organ Transplants were in the original blueprints.

    I realize this

    It doesn't mean I agree with it

    But whatever, might as well not stop now, you guys are right

    wait are you like

    am i reading this right

    you don't think organ transplants are okay

    Other people can do whatever the hell they want to do, honestly

    I can only control what I do

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    if you think there's going to be technological civilisation by the end of this century, well

    rocks, sticks, and our horribly irradiated pus-filled lumps?

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    Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    if you think there's going to be technological civilisation by the end of this century, well

    well what?

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    TamTam Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    if you think there's going to be civilisation by the end of this century, well
    lol cynicism

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    never

    going

    to

    happen

    but Ray Kurzweil says

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    no I actually think we'll end up destroying all life well before any of this comes into play

    but still, these questions are interesting to me

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    WallhitterWallhitter Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Wallhitter wrote: »
    if you think there's going to be technological civilisation by the end of this century, well

    rocks, sticks, and our horribly irradiated pus-filled lumps?

    basically

    that or robocopworld
    robocopworld would make a pretty awesome theme park.

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    Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    hey guys so how far off do you think the singularity is now

    It all ends with Japanese Schoolgirls turning us into Tang.

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