At the end of ME1, I felt pretty good about the Council and the Alliance. I could understand the councilors skepticism over the course of ME1, because Shepherd occasionally did sound like a bit of a loon.
By the end of ME2, I decided that they could all take a flying leap for all I care. The Alliance and the Council sold me out. I'll build my own damn army to fight the Reapers, and it's going to be made of all of the Council's worst nightmares.
At the end of ME1, I felt pretty good about the Council and the Alliance. I could understand the councilors skepticism over the course of ME1, because Shepherd occasionally did sound like a bit of a loon.
By the end of ME2, I decided that they could all take a flying leap for all I care. The Alliance and the Council sold me out. I'll build my own damn army to fight the Reapers, and it's going to be made of all of the Council's worst nightmares.
The alliance didnt really sell you out.
Your contacts were just skeptical because, well.
you know
You are a Cerberus Zombie reanimated with reaper tech
At the end of ME1, I felt pretty good about the Council and the Alliance. I could understand the councilors skepticism over the course of ME1, because Shepherd occasionally did sound like a bit of a loon.
By the end of ME2, I decided that they could all take a flying leap for all I care. The Alliance and the Council sold me out. I'll build my own damn army to fight the Reapers, and it's going to be made of all of the Council's worst nightmares.
The alliance didnt really sell you out.
Your contacts were just skeptical because, well.
you know
You are a Cerberus Zombie reanimated with reaper tech
Who happens to be first spotted at a abducted colony.
Really, I'm still mildly peeved that the worse you can do to Cerberus in ME2 is not give them something that they'll screw up anyway. Do you even get to shut down the comm channel on TIM?
The Council is fucking with you because they know you work best when self-righteously incensed.
All part of the plan
I think that's giving the Council too much credit.
I think they are either so stupid that they can't see the threat of the Reapers, or they do know of the threat and are secretly building Reaper shelters for their respective species. So when the Reapers finally get here, they can retreat to their shelters and leave Humanity to be devoured.
At the end of ME1, I felt pretty good about the Council and the Alliance. I could understand the councilors skepticism over the course of ME1, because Shepherd occasionally did sound like a bit of a loon.
By the end of ME2, I decided that they could all take a flying leap for all I care. The Alliance and the Council sold me out. I'll build my own damn army to fight the Reapers, and it's going to be made of all of the Council's worst nightmares.
I agree with you, but, there are hints that saving the council does do some "good" in the galaxy. For example one of the emily wong stories is that humans establish a colony on chasca (remember Tali's geth data in ME1?) with asari investment. Hearing that made me feel less bad about saving the council.
and it was a different story when Shepard's main objective was still hunting Saren and these reaper thingies happened to pop up
but after the attack
after the god damn attack
how does one even reach such a level of delusion
You bring Legion there and he tells the Salarian straight up "Geth don't have that kind of technology and we couldn't have built Sovereign even if we wanted to." and his only response is "Yeah...well...the JERK store called..."
Udina is only out for his own political gain. He wanted to use Eden Prime as a tool to get things from the Council, but now that (depending on your ME1 save) he's deeply involved as a part of the Council or heading it, there's no political advantage to it.
that level of bureaucratic dickery challenges what I can believe
didn't he learn his lesson from the first game
from a fist?
How can the human councilman not care at all about mysterious aliens abducting thousands of colonists? Especially after the Alliance encounters them first-hand. Even the slimiest politician in the world would recognize this as a legitimate security threat that he needs to do something about, right? Right? The council tried to pull "terminus lol" in the first game too and he was able to work past it. If anything, all the abductions will slow down human expansion and thus Council expansion. Udina should cut the shit and tell the council that we can't be their pioneers if they're not going to offer protection.
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brought back a Reaper factory.
What have you done for us?
It's like the worst case of the less successful sibling ever.
You know, I never really got that negative an impression of Udina. I mean, yes, in ME1 he sort of dicks over Shepard, but its worth noting that he got Shepard the position in the first place, and he fights pretty hard to do so. As far as I can tell, he seems to act fairly consistently in what he believes to be earth's interests - he just takes all the renegade dialog options.
And in ME2, well, I would think you might forgive him for being a bit wrong-footed when he walks into his office and there's a dead spectre, who is now working for a terrorist group, giving a speech to his fellow Councillors about machine-gods from beyond the edge of the galaxy, abetted by his chief aide. I'd be a little miffed too!
that level of bureaucratic dickery challenges what I can believe
didn't he learn his lesson from the first game
from a fist?
How can the human councilman not care at all about mysterious aliens abducting thousands of colonists? Especially after the Alliance encounters them first-hand. Even the slimiest politician in the world would recognize this as a legitimate security threat that he needs to do something about, right? Right? The council tried to pull "terminus lol" in the first game too and he was able to work past it. If anything, all the abductions will slow down human expansion and thus Council expansion. Udina should cut the shit and tell the council that we can't be their pioneers if they're not going to offer protection.
Yeah, it's probably more a terrible plot device than anything else. If Udina was a council member and was concerned about the human colonies then it would ruin the "The Council are idiots who won't listen to you" narrative they got going there.
Of course, I like it because it means that Udina has completely freed himself of any redeeming characteristics. This way, if I get to punch him in ME3 it means I get to enjoy it even more.
I operated under the assumption that Udina and the Council did care about the colony disappearances, but because of the Alliance's strained relations with their distant colonies, and the fact that the colonies are in the Terminus systems, they couldn't respond forcefully. Wasn't Ashley/Kaiden sent to Horizon to bolster their defenses and investigate the Collector attacks?
They just didn't find Shepard's claims about Reapers actionable or particularly sane. Maybe that was a mistake, but I don't think its fair to accuse the Council of abrogating its responsibilities.
I admit I don't remember most of the dialog though so maybe they outright say "fuck the colonies" in which case yeah
To be fair (kinda), in ME1, after getting rid of her, the council only hears from Shepard in totally ridiculous terms.
Shepard, what did you find at that priceless Prothean ruins site?
I found a blue chick and a dead krogan. Also, the ruins are now more so.
Shepard, what did you discover on that frigid ice planet, seat of capitalism?
I did some smuggling, got the planetary administrator incarcerated, and killed an Asari matriarch. Also, I murdered a queen from that supposedly-extinct telepathic bug species that threatened the entire galaxy not long ago, so...you're welcome.
Shepard, what did you learn at that human colony?
I blew up some geth and saved the colony, pretty straight forward really. Also, I destroyed an incredibly ancient and massively sprawling, completely unique mind-controlling sentient plant that turned people into slaves, kind of like that evil spaceship I've been having nightmares about.
Shepard, what happened at Virmire, that ideal candidate for colonization?
Well, I ran into Saren (still a dick btw), destroyed their Krogan breeding plan, talked to one of those malevolent, diabolical spaceships I mentioned, and iced some lunatic Salarians.
Also I nuked the planet.
Reports from other spectres are probably like, "Yeah, I staked out that Space Quiznos for five hours but the only krogan testicles we saw were attached," or "no, it's probably not her favorite store, but there's nothing we can do about it legally." Shepard's reports have pizazz.
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How else are they supposed to make Shepard seem like a badass?
By the end of ME2, I decided that they could all take a flying leap for all I care. The Alliance and the Council sold me out. I'll build my own damn army to fight the Reapers, and it's going to be made of all of the Council's worst nightmares.
The alliance didnt really sell you out.
Your contacts were just skeptical because, well.
you know
Who happens to be first spotted at a abducted colony.
All part of the plan
I think that's giving the Council too much credit.
I think they are either so stupid that they can't see the threat of the Reapers, or they do know of the threat and are secretly building Reaper shelters for their respective species. So when the Reapers finally get here, they can retreat to their shelters and leave Humanity to be devoured.
The gameplay is pretty fucking incredible too. Go Shock Trooper Shepard, go go go.
The Pressly bit in the Normandy Crash DLC gets me every time.:(
ever since my renegade shep i'm always going to pick the renegade response to the whole citadel shop discount thing
shep's pretty damn honest about it, and i have to say it's less dickish than the paragon route which is an obvious lie if you do it more than once
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"oh you don't have to guess mordin"
maybe he likes guessing, goose
Paragon: You don't have to guess Mordin.
Renegade: STFU for five seconds so I can think Mordin!
The choice is clear.
People don't like being interrupted
I mean jesus, even if you don't want to listen to him just press X and skip it
you don't have to be rude
I agree with you, but, there are hints that saving the council does do some "good" in the galaxy. For example one of the emily wong stories is that humans establish a colony on chasca (remember Tali's geth data in ME1?) with asari investment. Hearing that made me feel less bad about saving the council.
I'll probably replay the part where you get to tell them "I told you so" a hundred times.
Where's your air quotes now, Turian councilor?
why would it change if there's a thousand reapers
stop perpetuating these rumors, Shepard
let's face it, nobody gets to be a spectre unless they can convince the council to let them become one
so there's kind of this charisma bar for spectres
and i think by this point the council are aware that they have a cadre of elite agents with silver tongues
who's bossing whom around at this point
i expect the council are skeptical about everything simply as a defensive measure
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and it was a different story when Shepard's main objective was still hunting Saren and these reaper thingies happened to pop up
but after the attack
after the god damn attack
how does one even reach such a level of delusion
You bring Legion there and he tells the Salarian straight up "Geth don't have that kind of technology and we couldn't have built Sovereign even if we wanted to." and his only response is "Yeah...well...the JERK store called..."
Doesn't make sense any other way, honestly.
Having some trouble with that that biotic cell eh? That's tough, hey I heard Shepard just blew up the Geth
well not all of em
Yeah she keeps a tame one on her ship
that also came back from the dead
Well you can't win them all
Yeah they thanked her for it and apologized for being jerks.
ME1 he's all THIS IS AN OUTRAGE IF IT WAS A TURIAN COLONY YOU'D HELP US AND GOSHDANGIT YOU BETTER DO SOMETHING ABOUT EDEN PRIME
ME2 he's all SHEPARD HOW COULD YOU TURN DOWN A MEANINGLESS SPECTRE REINSTATEMENT?! doesn't even care about the colony abductions
didn't he learn his lesson from the first game
from a fist?
How can the human councilman not care at all about mysterious aliens abducting thousands of colonists? Especially after the Alliance encounters them first-hand. Even the slimiest politician in the world would recognize this as a legitimate security threat that he needs to do something about, right? Right? The council tried to pull "terminus lol" in the first game too and he was able to work past it. If anything, all the abductions will slow down human expansion and thus Council expansion. Udina should cut the shit and tell the council that we can't be their pioneers if they're not going to offer protection.
What have you done for us?
It's like the worst case of the less successful sibling ever.
Edit: Failed at spoilers.
And in ME2, well, I would think you might forgive him for being a bit wrong-footed when he walks into his office and there's a dead spectre, who is now working for a terrorist group, giving a speech to his fellow Councillors about machine-gods from beyond the edge of the galaxy, abetted by his chief aide. I'd be a little miffed too!
Yeah, it's probably more a terrible plot device than anything else. If Udina was a council member and was concerned about the human colonies then it would ruin the "The Council are idiots who won't listen to you" narrative they got going there.
Of course, I like it because it means that Udina has completely freed himself of any redeeming characteristics. This way, if I get to punch him in ME3 it means I get to enjoy it even more.
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They just didn't find Shepard's claims about Reapers actionable or particularly sane. Maybe that was a mistake, but I don't think its fair to accuse the Council of abrogating its responsibilities.
I admit I don't remember most of the dialog though so maybe they outright say "fuck the colonies" in which case yeah
Shepard, what did you discover on that frigid ice planet, seat of capitalism?
Shepard, what did you learn at that human colony?
Shepard, what happened at Virmire, that ideal candidate for colonization?
Reports from other spectres are probably like, "Yeah, I staked out that Space Quiznos for five hours but the only krogan testicles we saw were attached," or "no, it's probably not her favorite store, but there's nothing we can do about it legally." Shepard's reports have pizazz.
Shine on you crazy diamond.
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