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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I'm not big on patriotism

    like, I appreciate the things that were done by the people who founded america (if they did anything, maybe they were all just EVIL, except for Benjamin Franklin, he a pimp)

    but really, everyone should have those rights by default

    the fact that we had to sit down and write a list of how you couldn't fuck people over is kind of bad in itself

    not to mention all the loopholes in it that had to be fixed with amendments and whatnot

    and the fact that sometimes the government blatantly ignores it

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    wee-ow, that sentence was not too well constructed

    edit: mine from above I mean

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    still, Canada's right there

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Antimatter wrote: »
    there's some bad shit here, and it could be better, but it could also be worse

    existence.txt

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    America is pretty cool. Not perfect, but not awful.

    I'd totally do America if it were a person.

    you'd do a 234 year old person? that's real gross

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    I dunno, having a set of rules telling the government how they're not allowed to fuck me is good to have anywhere in the world

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    so are there revelations being made in this thread

    epiphanies?

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    There are a lot of really shitty countries we could be living in. It doesn't pardon America's faults, but sometimes you gotta be grateful.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    America is pretty cool. Not perfect, but not awful.

    I'd totally do America if it were a person.

    you'd do a 234 year old person? that's real gross

    Ben Franklin would

    I think that's justification enough

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    bongibongi regular
    edited May 2010
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

    yes my saying that i don't understand you is very arrogant

    or maybe i just meant that you were implying that the US is the only country with the 'infrastructure and freedoms' that have allowed you to live such such an 'easy free life'

    yes, maybe that

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    There are a lot of really shitty countries we could be living in. It doesn't pardon America's faults, but sometimes you gotta be grateful.

    and, we should definitely try to move forward and make it a better place

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Callius wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Teefs I don't get it, do you think rights per se are dumb and awful

    or just that they're a joke because they're never upheld and respected the way they should be?
    I think the concept is that there are no natural rights (as defined by "enlightenment" thinking).

    All rights are guaranteed within a sociological/cultural structure.

    well, teefs' idea anyway

    it's basically a roundabout way to espouse you don't think a terrorist is all that bad using comparative reasoning

    for example, i remember her telling me that the russian train bombing thing, they had it comin

    i look at it on a base, clinical level. that's retarded. crazy people bomb things. i mean, you can assign an ideology to something but at the end of the day your brain is a brain that went ahead one day and decided that bombing an area full of innocent people was a Sane Decision

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    to be fair there are a lot of countries that are shitty countries because of america

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    to be fair there are a lot of countries that are shitty countries because of america

    I was going to say this, but I basically said it already.

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    MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    so are there revelations being made in this thread

    epiphanies?

    I'm kind of having a mini one about the nature of sovereignty and the character of the state but I'm not quite ready to write it down

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

    yes my saying that i don't understand you is very arrogant

    or maybe i just meant that you were implying that the US is the only country with the 'infrastructure and freedoms' that have allowed you to live such such an 'easy free life'

    yes, maybe that

    that's not what I was saying at all

    but I'm hardly going to be like, man this postal system is great

    thanks france!

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bongi wrote: »
    Well hey at least people don't lynch you for being gay?

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    W-well.


    Yeah.

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Dubh wrote: »
    America is pretty cool. Not perfect, but not awful.

    I'd totally do America if it were a person.

    you'd do a 234 year old person? that's real gross

    Ben Franklin would

    I think that's justification enough

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    Man or lady, America is pretty hot.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    america invented freedom

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    bongibongi regular
    edited May 2010
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

    yes my saying that i don't understand you is very arrogant

    or maybe i just meant that you were implying that the US is the only country with the 'infrastructure and freedoms' that have allowed you to live such such an 'easy free life'

    yes, maybe that

    that's not what I was saying at all

    but I'm hardly going to be like, man this postal system is great

    thanks france!

    well then maybe next time you could consider not using the definite article in a situation that would be better suited to the indefinite article

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    Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] ...it was the summer of my lifeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Confessions of an Economic Hitman was such a depressing and infuriating book.

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Antimatter wrote: »
    There are a lot of really shitty countries we could be living in. It doesn't pardon America's faults, but sometimes you gotta be grateful.

    and, we should definitely try to move forward and make it a better place

    I think we are trying. After too much conservatism, a second progressive movement seems due.

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    Skull ManSkull Man RIP KUSU Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

    yes my saying that i don't understand you is very arrogant

    or maybe i just meant that you were implying that the US is the only country with the 'infrastructure and freedoms' that have allowed you to live such such an 'easy free life'

    yes, maybe that

    that's not what I was saying at all

    but I'm hardly going to be like, man this postal system is great

    thanks france!

    well then maybe next time you could consider not using the definite article in a situation that would be better suited to the indefinite article
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    maybe you should finish the sentence before you attribute dumb opinions to people and get mad at them for it!

    this is stupid
    edit: and boring!
    later!

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    AMP'dAMP'd Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    shucks, I'm in a thread title

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    FandeathisFandeathis Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Wow, so much hate of America! We're not perfect, but I'll be damned if I don't love living here. Not saying we're the best country or anything, but I am able to work hard and play hard thanks to the capitalistic system here.

    Def. not trying to start an argument, just saying America, or I should say the US, works perfectly for people like myself. I realize it far from works for everyone, but no country does. I just know I'm lucky to live here. That's about it.

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    so are there revelations being made in this thread

    epiphanies?

    I'm kind of having a mini one about the nature of sovereignty and the character of the state but I'm not quite ready to write it down

    that sounds like some heavy shit for a sunday afternoon

    ps i'm thinking about buying a book of essays by dave kopel

    this is related to you because he does some lawyering

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    bongibongi regular
    edited May 2010
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    Skull Man wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    i'm not very proud of my country

    i am very proud of the way that it acted during WW2 and immediately afterward

    not so much before that
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    i'm not sure what this is meant to mean

    I think you found your "more arrogant statement"

    it's not very hard to sleuth out what I'm saying

    I love America because America does everything for me

    if I weren't living in America, I might be living in say

    venezuela

    or china

    yes my saying that i don't understand you is very arrogant

    or maybe i just meant that you were implying that the US is the only country with the 'infrastructure and freedoms' that have allowed you to live such such an 'easy free life'

    yes, maybe that

    that's not what I was saying at all

    but I'm hardly going to be like, man this postal system is great

    thanks france!

    well then maybe next time you could consider not using the definite article in a situation that would be better suited to the indefinite article
    Skull Man wrote: »
    no, you misunderstand. I'm saying my country is good because it's the country that established the infrastructure and freedoms that allow me to have such an easy, free existence

    maybe you should finish the sentence before you attribute dumb opinions to people and get mad at them for it!

    this is stupid
    edit: and boring!
    later!

    okay, bye

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    oh calm yo beard

    it's a person

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited May 2010
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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    We're also an animuckle

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    Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    i think my favorite part of this nra magazine

    is the armed citizen section which is recent news blurbs about citizens successfully defending themselves from criminals

    take that!

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    bongibongi regular
    edited May 2010
    i like tfs but i wish she would stop selectively supporting chomsky

    i mean if you look at everything he says, his and her political viewpoints actually do not really match up at all

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    america is a country that cares too much about its comforts and sense of comfort to not bounce back only to fuck up worse

    i guess our perspective is a little tinged by the fact the nineties on up were relatively good to us to a point

    the aughts fuckin' sucked

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    the aughts fuckin' sucked

    fashion and music were pretty good, though

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Yeah, the aughts really weren't that great. War, Katrina, recession, oil spills . . .

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    bongibongi regular
    edited May 2010
    Dubh wrote: »
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    the aughts fuckin' sucked

    fashion and music were pretty good, though

    still playing catchup to Europe on both fronts 8-)

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    bongi wrote: »
    Dubh wrote: »
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    the aughts fuckin' sucked

    fashion and music were pretty good, though

    still playing catchup to Europe on both fronts 8-)

    fair enough

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    Anjin-San wrote: »
    Callius wrote: »
    Butler wrote: »
    Teefs I don't get it, do you think rights per se are dumb and awful

    or just that they're a joke because they're never upheld and respected the way they should be?
    I think the concept is that there are no natural rights (as defined by "enlightenment" thinking).

    All rights are guaranteed within a sociological/cultural structure.

    well, teefs' idea anyway

    it's basically a roundabout way to espouse you don't think a terrorist is all that bad using comparative reasoning

    for example, i remember her telling me that the russian train bombing thing, they had it comin

    i look at it on a base, clinical level. that's retarded. crazy people bomb things. i mean, you can assign an ideology to something but at the end of the day your brain is a brain that went ahead one day and decided that bombing an area full of innocent people was a Sane Decision

    Uh... no, not at all.

    I actually agree with Teefs on this one. Morals and "rights" are assigned on a social and cultural level. There is no universal baseline.

    That does NOT, however, mean that they are any less meaningful or powerful. In fact, I would argue that it is because they are a product of our society that they are so powerful. We have, as a community of almost 6 billion, decided that certain things are just not acceptable to us. That, to me, has way more impact than it just being sort of part of the way things are (even though there is no evidence to support that).

    In fact, if you attribute rights and morals to some natural or predestined cause you are, I believe, more likely to ignore when they are stepped on/overreached. Because, hey, they'll always be there because they're part of reality! No, they aren't; they are part of our society and we need to be constantly vigilant that our society continues to hold them to be rights.

    Moral relativism (I hate that term) isn't a justification for atrocious acts; it's merely an identification as to the role society plays within the formation of worldview.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2010
    i meant like, in terms of overall success in the country

    but yes let's see those great nineties europe movies that's right suck my dick

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