Heh, it occurs to me now that the current beta affliction pve spec would probably prefer imp, since you can pick up improved imp, but there's no longer an improved fel hunter.
I find it funny more than useful, since obviously there will be a lot of changes.
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the lock trees go through several more revisions before the end of this month. There is a fair amount of wonkiness in the trees.
CoX is not a stellar 11 pointer. I'd rather they merge it w/ CoT and make it a baby slow. Dark pact is silly since you have to take improved lifetap it either needs a rework or be replaced all together.
Demo needs some more PvE centered talents in the top tiers. Hand of Gul'dan and cremation sound fun hopefully demo will be a little less chaotic to play.
Bane and Imp soul-fire stack right now; So enjoy your two second soul-fires giving you 15% bonus haste. As if instant soul-fire wasn't hilarious enough. Imp searing pain makes me think they want it to play a greater role in destro's dps. Shadowburn still feels like a less convenient version of fireblast, they could try making it an execute phase ability.
Finally hit 80 on my lock, swapped her to destro and I'm liking it so far. I'm wondering if I have the right idea of how to play this spec.
So far I'm trying to keep immolate up at all times, conflag whenever it's up, same for chaos bolt and then incinerate at all other times. And I've pretty much just been using curse of elements.
Is there other things I should be doing or knowing? Any subtleties I'm missing out on?
if you are glyphed for lifetap just gotta make sure you have the buff up at all times as well, other then that the rotation should be something like what you said, coe, immo, chaos, conflag, incin, then life tap as need for mana/buff
I really *should* get dual-spec for my Warlock so I can have a Destro spec available. I did like it while leveling, but at 80 I wanted to try out the new Affliction. It has been neat and I can do some great damage on mobs I have a chance to ramp up on (bosses), but...
I really *should* get dual-spec for my Warlock so I can have a Destro spec available. I did like it while leveling, but at 80 I wanted to try out the new Affliction. It has been neat and I can do some great damage on mobs I have a chance to ramp up on (bosses), but...
I really *should* get dual-spec for my Warlock so I can have a Destro spec available. I did like it while leveling, but at 80 I wanted to try out the new Affliction. It has been neat and I can do some great damage on mobs I have a chance to ramp up on (bosses), but...
I need like quad spec.
I was Destro/Aff damage specced until we started working on heroic saurfang, so now I'm Destro with replenishment and Destro with shadowfury for raiding.
I wish I could also have aff raiding and a pvp spec too without going back to my damn trainer all the time. at least talented makes it easy to reapply talent points.
Never liked Demonology, and I *really* don't like Metamorphosis. I tried a Felguard/Ruin spec for a short time when I first started leveling again in Wrath, but ended up switching to Destro after a patch that improved some things for them.
I didn't continue leveling to 80 until recently from where I stopped at 76, and I believe at that point I switched to Affliction to finish up.
I still have most of northrend left to finish quests in. I kind of want to dual spec aff for those because running around dotting everything in sight is too easy and hilarious a way to quest.
Sign me up for the meta-hating list. I'm not even sure why, I just really don't like the talent or how it works. I did like the felguard/emberstorm hybrid build that was good in naxx, which is pretty much how I wanted demo to play. Oh well, I really like destro now.
My first homebrew demo spec actually didn't have meta in it because I thought it was shite and pointless, but its really good in reality, I don't like it either though. I don't really see the point of giving warlocks an "ohlol melee! option, the cleave is on a longass cooldown and does crap damage. It would be cool though if they added in some unique models for each race for meta though in cata.
I love pet classes. Adore them. But I don't play a demonology warlock, and I'll tell you why. Felguards look fucking stupid, and so does the Metamorphosis form. I'd rather they replaced the felguard with a talent that lets you summon any of your demons instantly and for no cost, and replace Metamorphosis with a talent that lets you summon multitudes of your chosen demon for a short time (say, an army of voidwalkers... or infernals).
What kind of pet-centric spec forces you to use a single pet? A bad one.
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Isn't Meta still just a good DPS cooldown even if you completely ignore the melee/immo shit and continue as normal?
Its a flat 20% damage buff, so yeah. I have mine on a macro along with the orc racial for extra spellpower and another with a wild magic pot for those nukes phases. It still looks fucking stupid though.
I actually really like meta. The cleave is shit, as well as the aggro move, but the fire aura and the charge are great. Plus the 20% extra damage really helps with dps.
I never want to waste a cooldown while in meta. Which includes charging or immolate aura.
If there is an opportunity to move between cooldowns (after a corruption or curse global for example) I will, but you'll get so much more bang for you buck casting.
Also want to make sure you lifetap (if glyphed for it) right before you pop meta do you won't need to during.
imo anyway.
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. I was thinking using the GCDs to charge and immolation aura wouldn't be worth it, but I wanted to get input from somebody with experience. And thanks for the tip about lifetap glyph. I am a lifetapping fool on my lock. The last time I play him I pretty much just hit rank 1 lifetap about every 5 seconds in between combats to keep my glyph up and to keep a full stack of my Illustration of the Dragon Soul buff, and I never let the buff drop in combat.
Try using Rank 8 (iirc that is the highest) it doesn't take near the life it used to.
Oh, I always use the max rank for life tapping in combat or when I actually need mana, I just use rank 1 to build/keep up the 10 stacks of my IotDS trinket in between fights. I try to annoy the healer as little as possible with my tapping.
At higher levels keeping locks topped off between fights isn't a problem that even approaches annoying. At lower levels though, OH MY GOD there is nothing worse than the locks who tap to no health right before every pull. I've seen healers in lower level instances curse out warlocks and drop after a few pulls of that. Please don't be that guy.
Being a main tank means having situational awareness and knowing what's going on at all times. I don't ever tap myself to very low health when it's going to put any strain on the healer. I'm always aware of how much mana the healer has, how much mana I need for the next pull, etc.
If I recall correctly from my days in WoW, unless it was a very high end instance or they were actually being attacked warlocks should always just heal themselves up with drain life, since overall it was WAY better than the slightly increased DPS from shadowbolting considering it freed healer mana for other crap.
I actually really like meta. The cleave is shit, as well as the aggro move, but the fire aura and the charge are great. Plus the 20% extra damage really helps with dps.
It's also a pretty unique model, I like it.
I like meta as well. I hated it when I switched, and only switched for the benefit of the raid at the time, but I've come to love it.
Keeping decimation up so I can soulfire from target to target is a nice challange, and meta is a pretty impressive dps cooldown, even without the charge, cleave and immo aura.
Not to mention the spellpower boost it gives a raid is second to none with a geared lock.
As for the models, I hardly see my felguard as it's in mellee and I'm not.. and I think the meta model is kinda funky.
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Wow, those trees are awful, close to the very definition of bad. Effectively it means that every Affliction warlock is the same up till level 70 or something, and, that your spell rotation won't come close to being OK till that point. An awful decision by blizzard.
As Affliction I don't care anyway, Siphon Life and Haunt returns easily cover some Lifetaps combined with Fel Armor. I usually don't tap like crazy to low health ever though, typically when I have a free moment and notice I'm over a tap's worth of mana down, I'll pop it to make sure my buff stays up. By the time I'm that low on mana again, my health is usually full.
Add to that Dark Pacting sometimes instead and health usually isn't an issue.
Overall I still use Lifetap more often than Dark Pact, though I shouldn't... I'm already above the breaking point.
I *am* going to miss rank 1 Lifetap for a quick glyph buff though.
I really *should* get dual-spec for my Warlock so I can have a Destro spec available. I did like it while leveling, but at 80 I wanted to try out the new Affliction. It has been neat and I can do some great damage on mobs I have a chance to ramp up on (bosses), but...
Demonology is the only spec!
Pfff. Only if you're a lame-o Illidan fanboy.
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Destruction -- if you wanted to pew pew with fire, you should have rolled a mage.
Demonology -- pretty cool until they introduced Metamorphosis. LAAAAAME!
Affliction -- what's the iconic warlock command? "More dots!" Who's best at it? TAA DAA!
Affliction is cool and all, but I for raiding I usually need to either provide replenishment or have shadowfury available. I really want to love demo, but I just can't
I have to agree that while demonology is pretty cool in theory, the felguard and metamorphosis look far too dumb for me to ever spec into it.
This is why with Archaeology since we will be digging up things from the War of the Ancients we could find items daemons can use so we could have a way to customize our daemons to the way we play with them! but I doubt blizzard could see that how they can solve the issue of customizing daemons to the way people want to play with them and not have them like hunter's pets and a use for the new skill
Dunno what your guys' beef with demo is, 50k dps on trash is great.
The main fun of the spec is soulfire clipping IMO. Also keeping up DOTs, unlike destro. Though bane of w/e, the beacon of dmg is looking fun.
I can understand not liking the aesthetics of Destro and Demo, but personally I find the playstyles a lot more fun than Affliction these days. Though part of that's the stress of rolling a buffed Corruption. Not my cup of tea.
I kind of want them to keep the improved corruption or everlasting but the more I play with the tree the more unhappy I get with it
So I think I am going to write them a letter not an email or post it but a real letter of complaint about the preview of the warlock talents and what they are thinking about afflction in cataclysm
By the time that letter got there the trees would have changed five times.
But then I would be still stuck choosing talents like improved fear, instant howl or curse of exhaustion. I quit really using one of those talents way back in vanilla wow since it was not that usful.
Eradication is not that great of a talent.
I don't see why they got rid of nightfall because an instant shadow bolt was useful
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I find it funny more than useful, since obviously there will be a lot of changes.
CoX is not a stellar 11 pointer. I'd rather they merge it w/ CoT and make it a baby slow. Dark pact is silly since you have to take improved lifetap it either needs a rework or be replaced all together.
Demo needs some more PvE centered talents in the top tiers. Hand of Gul'dan and cremation sound fun hopefully demo will be a little less chaotic to play.
Bane and Imp soul-fire stack right now; So enjoy your two second soul-fires giving you 15% bonus haste. As if instant soul-fire wasn't hilarious enough. Imp searing pain makes me think they want it to play a greater role in destro's dps. Shadowburn still feels like a less convenient version of fireblast, they could try making it an execute phase ability.
So yeah none of this will see live.
So far I'm trying to keep immolate up at all times, conflag whenever it's up, same for chaos bolt and then incinerate at all other times. And I've pretty much just been using curse of elements.
Is there other things I should be doing or knowing? Any subtleties I'm missing out on?
Could Curse of Doom as well if you have someone else that will apply the spell damage debuff.
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Demonology is the only spec!
I need like quad spec.
I was Destro/Aff damage specced until we started working on heroic saurfang, so now I'm Destro with replenishment and Destro with shadowfury for raiding.
I wish I could also have aff raiding and a pvp spec too without going back to my damn trainer all the time. at least talented makes it easy to reapply talent points.
I am a freaking nerd.
I didn't continue leveling to 80 until recently from where I stopped at 76, and I believe at that point I switched to Affliction to finish up.
I am a freaking nerd.
What kind of pet-centric spec forces you to use a single pet? A bad one.
Interesting to see the Meta dislike around though.
It's really a strange damn talent for a caster. Woo, look at my Warform!
Or Mal'Ganis.
Its a flat 20% damage buff, so yeah. I have mine on a macro along with the orc racial for extra spellpower and another with a wild magic pot for those nukes phases. It still looks fucking stupid though.
It's also a pretty unique model, I like it.
If I recall correctly from my days in WoW, unless it was a very high end instance or they were actually being attacked warlocks should always just heal themselves up with drain life, since overall it was WAY better than the slightly increased DPS from shadowbolting considering it freed healer mana for other crap.
I like meta as well. I hated it when I switched, and only switched for the benefit of the raid at the time, but I've come to love it.
Keeping decimation up so I can soulfire from target to target is a nice challange, and meta is a pretty impressive dps cooldown, even without the charge, cleave and immo aura.
Not to mention the spellpower boost it gives a raid is second to none with a geared lock.
As for the models, I hardly see my felguard as it's in mellee and I'm not.. and I think the meta model is kinda funky.
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Wow, those trees are awful, close to the very definition of bad. Effectively it means that every Affliction warlock is the same up till level 70 or something, and, that your spell rotation won't come close to being OK till that point. An awful decision by blizzard.
Nevertheless, those trees definitely need a ton of work.
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Okay, that actually is awesome.
Also, once you get fel armor you basically don't have to worry about the damage that lifetap causes.
I am a freaking nerd.
Add to that Dark Pacting sometimes instead and health usually isn't an issue.
Overall I still use Lifetap more often than Dark Pact, though I shouldn't... I'm already above the breaking point.
I *am* going to miss rank 1 Lifetap for a quick glyph buff though.
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I'm actually having kind of a hard time deciding what specs to be.
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Destruction -- if you wanted to pew pew with fire, you should have rolled a mage.
Demonology -- pretty cool until they introduced Metamorphosis. LAAAAAME!
Affliction -- what's the iconic warlock command? "More dots!" Who's best at it? TAA DAA!
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Affliction is cool and all, but I for raiding I usually need to either provide replenishment or have shadowfury available. I really want to love demo, but I just can't
I am a freaking nerd.
This is why with Archaeology since we will be digging up things from the War of the Ancients we could find items daemons can use so we could have a way to customize our daemons to the way we play with them! but I doubt blizzard could see that how they can solve the issue of customizing daemons to the way people want to play with them and not have them like hunter's pets and a use for the new skill
I used to feel that way about Destruction for the longest time (lawl fire), but now I like the best out of the three specs.
I tried to love Demo, I try it once a year, it just never works out.
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The main fun of the spec is soulfire clipping IMO. Also keeping up DOTs, unlike destro. Though bane of w/e, the beacon of dmg is looking fun.
So I think I am going to write them a letter not an email or post it but a real letter of complaint about the preview of the warlock talents and what they are thinking about afflction in cataclysm
But then I would be still stuck choosing talents like improved fear, instant howl or curse of exhaustion. I quit really using one of those talents way back in vanilla wow since it was not that usful.
Eradication is not that great of a talent.
I don't see why they got rid of nightfall because an instant shadow bolt was useful