It's hilarious how many people think they are great players but get stuck with bad teammates EVERY game. How pathetic must someones real life be if they need to create a fantasy scenario to explain why they aren't at the top of the ladder.
My favorite is when this guy is also the first blood death and the next 2-3 deaths in the game and they proceed to complain about how no one is helping them out. Alternately when this is the "hey guys stick together!! (i'll be over here in a lane by my self trying to push a tower while you guys all team fight at mid)"
I mean, sometimes other people frustrate me to no end when teamwork is impossible, and it's kind of hard to go "i hold you punch" when the puncher is busy masturbating in the bush, but after a point you have to realise, even if your teammates are actually terrible, maybe it's just you not being good enough. Or at times, maybe it's not even you or your teammates, but the opponent being that good and whatever feeding happened wasn't feeding but an actual display of superiority from whoever was fed.
EDIT: Might as well not double post: AP Sion, how does it work?
Absolutely, but there comes a point where it's not reasonable to expect people to play so well as to be TWO people to make up for someone so bad they might as well not be there/are actively detrimental via feeding.
I mean when you're functionally a man down, you're functionally a man down. At that point you just have to hope the enemy is incompetent in some way.
I admit there's a small difference in admitting your 5/5/5 game was you not being good enough and your carry going 1/11/2, ignoring team orders, rushing like rambo in the fray and just being overall terrible at everything.
i am 100% positive he was trolling after the 6th death
he would constantly creep in their jungle, and at one point he spinning slashed through golem that was really low health that i was getting AS VEIGAR and said "sorry"
i honestly would have accepted it if he did it as a dick move and didn't try to lie to me by saying "sorry"
also we were fighting 5v4 at dragon without him and when he finally got there we were all dead, ulted and tried to kill rammus 1v5. then proceeded to say "shit they come from nowhere"
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edited August 2010
Yeah he was trolling.
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i am 100% positive he was trolling after the 6th death
he would constantly creep in their jungle, and at one point he spinning slashed through golem that was really low health that i was getting AS VEIGAR and said "sorry"
i honestly would have accepted it if he did it as a dick move and didn't try to lie to me by saying "sorry"
also we were fighting 5v4 at dragon without him and when he finally got there we were all dead, ulted and tried to kill rammus 1v5. then proceeded to say "shit they come from nowhere"
I think I just have one of the weirdest game. it's was 5 v 4, in our favor but we are still getting our asses handed to us, not horribly but we are consistently behind on kills and out organized in ganks. Everybody is sort of just doing their own thing and getting ganked.
Suddenly without any sort of communication, our entire team just march down mid and decimated the other team and destroyed their nexus.
It still puzzles me on how it happend since we were consistently losing in team fights, just all the sudden their heros were droping like flies.
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Playing with teams that have NO FUCKING IDEA how to follow their initiators is not fun.
I'm getting to the point where as much as I love Singed, I might want to start playing an outright carry. The problem being, I'm pretty certain that if I don't go tank, nobody else will.
I wish I could play more often so my elo wasn't so mediocre.
Edit: Also annoying is the fact that almost every queue dodge I experience is from the other team. Like I literally can't remember the last time it was on my team.
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Guys I might seriously main eve. She is actually a good tank.
I didn't use the most effective build, however it was amazing. I would do the better part of 200 damage a second. I could drop a wave of creeps in a couple seconds, if a hero wandered out without vision I could burn his health down hard and gank him when he tried to run. If he had vision I could just burn him down with my crazy effective hp we could just trade blows and I'd watch them die. I was amazing for initiating team fights, I would stealth in chase them around stun the carry and watch as everyone focused on me, then just sat there stunned when they realized I hadn't died but they were all missing nice chunks of hp.
Played a ranked game as twitch. Was babysitting a Rammus on bottom with wards so he could get last hits and avoid WW ganks. As a result I got killed 4 times or so. Suddenly the fact the top mid and bottom were 0-4-1,0-3-0 and 1-5-0 it's Twitches fault we were losing.
Why wasn't I ganking, why wasn't I placing wards in their jungle, why didn't I have damage items.
I know Twitch has a crossbow but you can't expect me to shell out 400 on wards and have enough cash to buy anything as well as gank and lane.
In conclusion, the general populace in the ranked system is awful. It's like someone is going to kick their puppy if they die and it can't possibly be at least partially their fault for the loss.
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Fuck Vlad's q ability and teammates that refuse to focus him when he has 20 stacks.
Also fuck my elo for giving me teammates who never, ever, ever place wards. Having to constantly buy wards to counter shaco until I get tanky enough to buy Oracle's - which only made them focus me hard - really makes Singed's farming ability become less stellar.
In conclusion: fuck this game.
(I'll be in a better mood tomorrow. Maybe.)
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Guys I might seriously main eve. She is actually a good tank.
I didn't use the most effective build, however it was amazing. I would do the better part of 200 damage a second. I could drop a wave of creeps in a couple seconds, if a hero wandered out without vision I could burn his health down hard and gank him when he tried to run. If he had vision I could just burn him down with my crazy effective hp we could just trade blows and I'd watch them die. I was amazing for initiating team fights, I would stealth in chase them around stun the carry and watch as everyone focused on me, then just sat there stunned when they realized I hadn't died but they were all missing nice chunks of hp.
Good Idea: Qualifying for the WCG Tournament
Bad Idea: Not having a team as of today
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From the PA chat:
PikaPuff (6:46): dac want to play?
Dacovind (6:47): I just came back from a game where I went 10/1/21 and outfarmed everyone and was the biggest menace of my whole team
failboattootoot (6:48): i believe it, morgana is nasty :O
failboattootoot (6:48): thats an awesome game though
Dacovind (6:49): despite this we lost because our tank was mentally silly, our dps kept on whining and our blitzcrank alterned between pulling the enemy tank and being afk
Dacovind (6:49):
Dacovind (6:50): one hour and 15 of what was basically the inspiration of Sartre's No Exit
Also being put against a pro heimerdinger at mid, SO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. It's a fucking wonder my turret lasted as long as it did.
It's so disappointing to go into a normal game and just be out-character'd, although a lot of this can be chalked up to bad hero choices. Not much you can do when your team chooses some random shit and locks in.
I was practising a new jungle build last night and can take dragon at level 4 with him now, it is awesome. I can't decide if I want to spend my last 1000RP on the emumu skin or wait for it to go on sale.
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I'm not a good Amumu because I can't take dragon at 4
I can with Mundo though
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I was practising a new jungle build last night and can take dragon at level 4 with him now, it is awesome. I can't decide if I want to spend my last 1000RP on the emumu skin or wait for it to go on sale.
Mind sharing your wonderful emo secrets with us, Nisi? Teach me the ways of the mummy.
And my advice is to wait for it to go on sale. Yes, you can have it now, or you can wait and have it and another skin for the same price when they're on sale. I basically just bought a bunch of RP and buy whatever skins are on sale for heroes I like (not all of them, just my favorites). Speaking of which, still no Olaf skin sale? Really?
Is basically same build I always run except I changed from 9/21/0 to 0/21/9, and I found a more efficient kill order for the jungle creeps.
I run flat armor glyphs, dodge seals, magic pen marks, and fort quints. I am pretty sure you can swap out the dodge for health or clarity, but I have not tested and I prefer the dodge. As I said 0/21/9 masteries. For summoner spells choose smite and ghost.
This build is pretty much shamelessly stolen from a great amumu guide so I'll just paste it here. I change it a little as I don't find the initial ward necessary.
Jungling [JUNG]
Before you start the game, make sure that you communicate with your team and make sure they know that you plan on jungling. The only reason you shouldn't jungle is if your team has a higher priority jungler like Warwick.
Start your game by buying a Cloth Armor, 2 health pots, and a Sight Ward. Once you've done that, put a point into Despair and GHOST, you heard me, down to the river and put down that ward at the entrance to the jungle. Why waste Ghost here? Simple, it gets you into position faster than anyone else on the map, saving you from running into a gank squad where you're far away from a tower. It'll be back up before you need it again. Now that you've effectively gank-proofed yourself, go into the bushes where Golem will spawn. The moment that golem's fat ass appears, run up, toggle Despair, and down a pot. Smite the golem for a quicker kill. You should be level 2 once you clear the camp, so grab Tantrum. Now run over and take down the nearby wolf camp then blue pill. Right now, you don't have the cash to buy anything, so heal up and run over to the wraith camp as fast as your stubby little legs will take you. When you've offed the wraiths, head on over to lizard. The same strategy against golem applies. Level Despair when you hit 3. Hit up the last camp and b again, you should be level 4 with level 2 Despair and level 2 Tantrum by now.
Buy yourself a Ruby Crystal and make sure you have 1-2 health pots, it's time to be MANLY. Pop Ghost and run up to dat dragon. You heard me, dragon. You know the drill: Despair, pot, Smite. Don't forget the occasional Tantrum for extra damage. Killing dragon will put you at level 5. Put a point into Bandage Toss and blue pill cause I don't care how badass you are, level 4 dragon takes it out of you. Now here comes the fun part. Run over to whatever lane is in the most trouble and just do stuff. Lane hop constantly, occasionally disappearing for the odd golem or lizard buff. Keep doing this until the enemy gets smart and starts sending out gank squads, propelling you into mid game.
One important note is if you do try dragon at 4, be sure you know where the enemy team is since you'll be very vulnerable to a gank.
Is basically same build I always run except I changed from 9/21/0 to 0/21/9, and I found a more efficient kill order for the jungle creeps.
I tried jungle Xin Zhao for the first time yesterday and went like 13-8 or something. My team was terrible but we still won because Xin is still OP as balls, just not quite so insane early game.
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Bah, I only ever seem to get jungling team mates whenever no one is particularly suited for a 1v2 lane setup.
My Rammus 1v2 against Trist+Zil was an exercise in pain and frustration, but nooo, Shaco had to go jungle (and yet still be level 3 by the time the rest of us were in our 7s and 8s).
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I love that Vlad is so polarizing, it makes me hold hope he will not get nerfed like I suspect he will. I have heard tons of people say Vlad is weak and needs to be improved and just as many say he is broken as hell OP'd.
I am in agreement with who ever it is who says tank Vlad is the best Vlad. going HP Vlad vs AP Vlad in mid. most games the other guy will talk some trash about how my build is bad and I should l2p then I proceed to dominate the game and they ask me all sorts of questions after the game.
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I won't play ranked w/o a Jungler. If no one does it, I pick Warwick or something.
I need to get better at counter jungling
I only seem to do it on accident right now rather than going in and fucking up their jungler
The real trick is to know most of the standard jungle routes and watch their CS through the Tab.
For instance a Amumu starting at blue will kill 3 at blue, 3 at the next camp, 4 at the camp after that and then move onto red. So generally he will do Red at 10 creep kills. (Assuming he didn't hop into a lane etc)
Other option is just to buy a ward, ambush blue when it spawns, if no one is there, ward it. Eventually the jungler will show up and you can gank (Assuming your in the neighboring lane)
If I want to play with you guys is there a channel in game or the PA vent? I looked at the op but didn't see anything other than the list of people to add. (I prolly just missed it)
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Man, I am so interested in this game. I have read most of the thread here and concluded that the learning curve is so impossibly steep and the community is so impossibly cruel that there is no fun to be had. I hope that real IDs and influx of new players in SC2 helps the ineveitable SC2 version of dota to be more accessible.
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Man, I am so interested in this game. I have read most of the thread here and concluded that the learning curve is so impossibly steep and the community is so impossibly cruel that there is no fun to be had. I hope that real IDs and influx of new players in SC2 helps the ineveitable SC2 version of dota to be more accessible.
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The Warcraft 3 DotA All-Stars has exactly the same learning curve as League of Legends. If you're wanting to get into a DotA style game, it doesn't matter which you pick-up because all of them have exactly the same learning curve.
And actually, each game has two separate learning curves. Let me explain what I mean by that statement.
The first learning curve pertains to all DotA style games. This is the general strategy curve and most of the skills and ideas transfer from one to another. This includes things like knowing how to engage the minions, enemy heroes, how and when to assault a tower, how to "last hit" minions to score money kills, and all sorts of other general play skills.
The second learning curve is game specific. To truly master these games, you must have a very clear understanding of how every hero in the game works. What their spells are. What their strengths and weaknesses are. What their general playstyle is. Then you must also learn all of the items. You must know what items do what and learn to adapt your item build for your chosen character on the fly, depending on the situation you face.
Basically, learning the game mechanics and learning the unique aspects of each game are two completely separate things.
The community is as bad as a free PvP internet game will get, but its populous enough that there are good people too.
There is an ignore list. Use it liberally and you can have fun. The worst is the afkers and leavers, which pretty much doom you to a loss unless you have opponents who wear pants on their head, which is just not likely enough to save you. In the long haul it will balance out as the other side isn't immune to the same issue.
There is a learning curve, and I'm sure as hell still on the early side of it, but if you played Warcraft 3 at all, it will feel fairly familiar and you'll pick it up. The hard part is learning what all 55 heroes can do and what to avoid, there's still several characters I've never seen once, either for or against. Been playing casually for about a month now.
So I tried out some of the suggestions for my Veigar game last night. Only thing I would really change I think is that I would like to put more into his E earlier on. The enemy seems to like to go Mercury treads and as such it really makes my cage a bit useless if I only have 1 or 2 points in it. But having 4 points in it makes it much more sticky.
I love the ability to cage someone and essentially alpha strike them with all my abilities and watch them explode. The only thing is that my ability to use the cage is sub par. I try to catch them on th edge of it but my timing is a bit off still.
That and I am horrible at creep farming early game. I'm going to stick with him because he is fun and having a decent CC character is never a bad idea.
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I admit there's a small difference in admitting your 5/5/5 game was you not being good enough and your carry going 1/11/2, ignoring team orders, rushing like rambo in the fray and just being overall terrible at everything.
i am 100% positive he was trolling after the 6th death
he would constantly creep in their jungle, and at one point he spinning slashed through golem that was really low health that i was getting AS VEIGAR and said "sorry"
i honestly would have accepted it if he did it as a dick move and didn't try to lie to me by saying "sorry"
also we were fighting 5v4 at dragon without him and when he finally got there we were all dead, ulted and tried to kill rammus 1v5. then proceeded to say "shit they come from nowhere"
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Left dat.
Suddenly without any sort of communication, our entire team just march down mid and decimated the other team and destroyed their nexus.
It still puzzles me on how it happend since we were consistently losing in team fights, just all the sudden their heros were droping like flies.
I'm getting to the point where as much as I love Singed, I might want to start playing an outright carry. The problem being, I'm pretty certain that if I don't go tank, nobody else will.
I wish I could play more often so my elo wasn't so mediocre.
Edit: Also annoying is the fact that almost every queue dodge I experience is from the other team. Like I literally can't remember the last time it was on my team.
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Guys I might seriously main eve. She is actually a good tank.
I didn't use the most effective build, however it was amazing. I would do the better part of 200 damage a second. I could drop a wave of creeps in a couple seconds, if a hero wandered out without vision I could burn his health down hard and gank him when he tried to run. If he had vision I could just burn him down with my crazy effective hp we could just trade blows and I'd watch them die. I was amazing for initiating team fights, I would stealth in chase them around stun the carry and watch as everyone focused on me, then just sat there stunned when they realized I hadn't died but they were all missing nice chunks of hp.
Overall I would say Tank eve is the best eve.
Why wasn't I ganking, why wasn't I placing wards in their jungle, why didn't I have damage items.
I know Twitch has a crossbow but you can't expect me to shell out 400 on wards and have enough cash to buy anything as well as gank and lane.
In conclusion, the general populace in the ranked system is awful. It's like someone is going to kick their puppy if they die and it can't possibly be at least partially their fault for the loss.
Also fuck my elo for giving me teammates who never, ever, ever place wards. Having to constantly buy wards to counter shaco until I get tanky enough to buy Oracle's - which only made them focus me hard - really makes Singed's farming ability become less stellar.
In conclusion: fuck this game.
(I'll be in a better mood tomorrow. Maybe.)
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This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully
Bad Idea: Not having a team as of today
Also being put against a pro heimerdinger at mid, SO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. It's a fucking wonder my turret lasted as long as it did.
Gonna ban amumu out of spite.
I can with Mundo though
Mind sharing your wonderful emo secrets with us, Nisi? Teach me the ways of the mummy.
And my advice is to wait for it to go on sale. Yes, you can have it now, or you can wait and have it and another skin for the same price when they're on sale. I basically just bought a bunch of RP and buy whatever skins are on sale for heroes I like (not all of them, just my favorites). Speaking of which, still no Olaf skin sale? Really?
I run flat armor glyphs, dodge seals, magic pen marks, and fort quints. I am pretty sure you can swap out the dodge for health or clarity, but I have not tested and I prefer the dodge. As I said 0/21/9 masteries. For summoner spells choose smite and ghost.
This build is pretty much shamelessly stolen from a great amumu guide so I'll just paste it here. I change it a little as I don't find the initial ward necessary.
One important note is if you do try dragon at 4, be sure you know where the enemy team is since you'll be very vulnerable to a gank.
I tried jungle Xin Zhao for the first time yesterday and went like 13-8 or something. My team was terrible but we still won because Xin is still OP as balls, just not quite so insane early game.
I won't play ranked w/o a Jungler. If no one does it, I pick Warwick or something.
My Rammus 1v2 against Trist+Zil was an exercise in pain and frustration, but nooo, Shaco had to go jungle (and yet still be level 3 by the time the rest of us were in our 7s and 8s).
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I need to get better at counter jungling
I only seem to do it on accident right now rather than going in and fucking up their jungler
I am in agreement with who ever it is who says tank Vlad is the best Vlad.
The real trick is to know most of the standard jungle routes and watch their CS through the Tab.
For instance a Amumu starting at blue will kill 3 at blue, 3 at the next camp, 4 at the camp after that and then move onto red. So generally he will do Red at 10 creep kills. (Assuming he didn't hop into a lane etc)
Other option is just to buy a ward, ambush blue when it spawns, if no one is there, ward it. Eventually the jungler will show up and you can gank (Assuming your in the neighboring lane)
If I want to play with you guys is there a channel in game or the PA vent? I looked at the op but didn't see anything other than the list of people to add. (I prolly just missed it)
Apparently chrome thinks that site is harmful for my computer. Wonder why.
Got the vent info now, thanks.
1) Is it possible to stack multiple Banshee's Veils?
2) Is it possible to stack multiple Guardian Angels?
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No, the passives are unique.
The Warcraft 3 DotA All-Stars has exactly the same learning curve as League of Legends. If you're wanting to get into a DotA style game, it doesn't matter which you pick-up because all of them have exactly the same learning curve.
And actually, each game has two separate learning curves. Let me explain what I mean by that statement.
The first learning curve pertains to all DotA style games. This is the general strategy curve and most of the skills and ideas transfer from one to another. This includes things like knowing how to engage the minions, enemy heroes, how and when to assault a tower, how to "last hit" minions to score money kills, and all sorts of other general play skills.
The second learning curve is game specific. To truly master these games, you must have a very clear understanding of how every hero in the game works. What their spells are. What their strengths and weaknesses are. What their general playstyle is. Then you must also learn all of the items. You must know what items do what and learn to adapt your item build for your chosen character on the fly, depending on the situation you face.
Basically, learning the game mechanics and learning the unique aspects of each game are two completely separate things.
There is an ignore list. Use it liberally and you can have fun. The worst is the afkers and leavers, which pretty much doom you to a loss unless you have opponents who wear pants on their head, which is just not likely enough to save you. In the long haul it will balance out as the other side isn't immune to the same issue.
There is a learning curve, and I'm sure as hell still on the early side of it, but if you played Warcraft 3 at all, it will feel fairly familiar and you'll pick it up. The hard part is learning what all 55 heroes can do and what to avoid, there's still several characters I've never seen once, either for or against. Been playing casually for about a month now.
I love the ability to cage someone and essentially alpha strike them with all my abilities and watch them explode. The only thing is that my ability to use the cage is sub par. I try to catch them on th edge of it but my timing is a bit off still.
That and I am horrible at creep farming early game. I'm going to stick with him because he is fun and having a decent CC character is never a bad idea.
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