I'm going to bed. But I figured I'd start a new [chat] for a new day.
Also, chat of comics for literature majors.
Comics for literature majors. Seems like Tycho should have gotten in on that.
And finally...
"I’ve always found that word ["hipster"] is used with such disdain, like it’s always used by chubby bloggers who aren’t getting laid anymore and are bored, and they’re just so mad at these young kids for going out and getting wasted and having fun and being fashionable," he says. "I’m dubious of these hypotheses because they always smell of an agenda."
What a d bag.
"You don't like us not because of X, but you don't like us cause you're fat and ugly so there."
jacobkosh wrote:
My beef with hipsters is summed up reasonably well in this article.
quote:
The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.
Yeah that pretty much fucking nails it.
Though I see a difference between Mike's "label shit you don't like a hipster" and my somewhat specific idea of what constitutes a hipster.
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
jacobkosh wrote:
My beef with hipsters is summed up reasonably well in this article.
quote:
The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.
Yeah that pretty much fucking nails it.
Though I see a difference between Mike's "label shit you don't like a hipster" and my somewhat specific idea of what constitutes a hipster.
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
Now we just have blogs to complain about them.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
And Fluffy, that scene is perhaps one of the best deaths in Comics. And there was some wonderful potential there. Captain America comforting the woman's son who idolized him but it came off as very flat.
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jacobkosh wrote:
My beef with hipsters is summed up reasonably well in this article.
quote:
The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.
Yeah that pretty much fucking nails it.
Though I see a difference between Mike's "label shit you don't like a hipster" and my somewhat specific idea of what constitutes a hipster.
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
Now we just have blogs to complain about them.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
And Fluffy, that scene is perhaps one of the best deaths in Comics. And there was some wonderful potential there. Captain America comforting the woman's son who idolized him but it came off as very flat.
Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt very many people in those subcultures were aware they were "creating culture".
There's some really interesting things being done in the arts right now. Just because you may not like the particular culture doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whos to say that picking parts of other cultures is bad? I think in a lot of ways it's creating some pretty interesting cross-cultural experiments.
jacobkosh wrote:
My beef with hipsters is summed up reasonably well in this article.
quote:
The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.
Yeah that pretty much fucking nails it.
Though I see a difference between Mike's "label shit you don't like a hipster" and my somewhat specific idea of what constitutes a hipster.
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
Now we just have blogs to complain about them.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
And Fluffy, that scene is perhaps one of the best deaths in Comics. And there was some wonderful potential there. Captain America comforting the woman's son who idolized him but it came off as very flat.
Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt very many people in those subcultures were aware they were "creating culture".
There's some really interesting things being done in the arts right now. Just because you may not like the particular culture doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whos to say that picking parts of other cultures is bad? I think in a lot of ways it's creating some pretty interesting cross-cultural experiments.
And if they were doing a lot of fusion stuff that might be interesting. But the vast majority of stuff coming out of hipsters is little more then a fetish of overly romanticized purity.
jacobkosh wrote:
My beef with hipsters is summed up reasonably well in this article.
quote:
The American Apparel V-neck shirt, Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Parliament cigarettes are symbols and icons of working or revolutionary classes that have been appropriated by hipsterdom and drained of meaning. Ten years ago, a man wearing a plain V-neck tee and drinking a Pabst would never be accused of being a trend-follower. But in 2008, such things have become shameless clichés of a class of individuals that seek to escape their own wealth and privilege by immersing themselves in the aesthetic of the working class.
Yeah that pretty much fucking nails it.
Though I see a difference between Mike's "label shit you don't like a hipster" and my somewhat specific idea of what constitutes a hipster.
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
Now we just have blogs to complain about them.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
And Fluffy, that scene is perhaps one of the best deaths in Comics. And there was some wonderful potential there. Captain America comforting the woman's son who idolized him but it came off as very flat.
Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt very many people in those subcultures were aware they were "creating culture".
There's some really interesting things being done in the arts right now. Just because you may not like the particular culture doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whos to say that picking parts of other cultures is bad? I think in a lot of ways it's creating some pretty interesting cross-cultural experiments.
The issue is the substitution of irony for authenticity without actually rebelling against much in the process. This isn't the 1920's. Dadaism already went there.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
Problem One: If hipsters hadn't produced a culture, by what rubric would you then accredit hipsterism to someone?
Problem Two: How have other subcultures created other cultures by any means other than re-appropriating the detritus of mainstream culture?
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I usually assume that people can tell I'm working class because whenever I try to dress classy I fail miserably
My last beef: Why do we act like this is a new thing?
Punks, skinheads, beats and hippies all dressed in leather, peasant blouses, torn jeans, etc etc to emulate a socioeconomic class that they weren't inherently a part of. But suddenly now we treat this new subculture with such disdain and call them the end of the world. Subcultures have been around forever, everyone seems to have gotten along just fine.
Now we just have blogs to complain about them.
But I'd bet money that it's not
I like his movies so far. Didn't see the newest one yet.
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anything in particular
He's become too self-aware.
Bottle Rocket was interesting, Royal Tennenbaums was his peak and The Life Aquatic was fun.
His aesthetic, directing style and narrative and character arcs have never grown, changed or evolved in almost a decade.
Watching his movies now, I can't enjoy them because I'm constantly bombarded with him telling me I'm watching a Wes Anderson movie.
...I wanted to like Fantastic Mr Fox so badly...
so much center justification...
yikes
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
And Fluffy, that scene is perhaps one of the best deaths in Comics. And there was some wonderful potential there. Captain America comforting the woman's son who idolized him but it came off as very flat.
A HIPSTER! GET HIM!
You did shots with a vet? What kind of animals has he seen that would make him want to drink like that?
find something better to do, fuck
that thing was a travesty
also, I wear my v-necks with pride
I don't think a v-neck shirt is a working-class thing, and the only people I know that smoke parliaments are europeans, so there you go
even if it is, who gives a flying fuck?
You are so sad
so sad
You do apparently
Hindsight is 20/20. I doubt very many people in those subcultures were aware they were "creating culture".
There's some really interesting things being done in the arts right now. Just because you may not like the particular culture doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Whos to say that picking parts of other cultures is bad? I think in a lot of ways it's creating some pretty interesting cross-cultural experiments.
I'm not the one who hates people who aren't working class for wearing v-neck shirts
My guess would be people who are actually working class whose way of living has now become a passing trend
Or people who actually have personalities and don't need to chase such trends to substitute for one
and what makes the former group justified? What makes you think the second group actually exists?
MikeMan, you and me...like this
did you do this in a coffee shop while not drinking coffee and typing as loudly as possible y/n
And if they were doing a lot of fusion stuff that might be interesting. But the vast majority of stuff coming out of hipsters is little more then a fetish of overly romanticized purity.
The issue is the substitution of irony for authenticity without actually rebelling against much in the process. This isn't the 1920's. Dadaism already went there.
Problem One: If hipsters hadn't produced a culture, by what rubric would you then accredit hipsterism to someone?
Problem Two: How have other subcultures created other cultures by any means other than re-appropriating the detritus of mainstream culture?
I don't really know much about them
Like I wouldn't be able to properly identify a hipster in a police lineup
...Really?
This is hilarious