Man, I really want a cookie but all there is is carrot cake. Which is delicious, but that last piece is not mine and even if it were it is not a cookie and I want a cookie.
My life is terrible. I'm considering joining the circus.
My life has been a roller coaster these past few days- cupcakes led to brownies led to carrot cake led to cookies
but now all of it is gone
and i am left with nothing
nothing but diabeetus
And liberty medical is no help unless you're old. I can't wait that long to get help for my diabetes. My diabetes will kill me first!
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Thousands of hot, local singles are waiting to play at bubbulon.com.
I would watch Wolverine and the X-Men if you like X-men and stories. I just have one problem.
The death of Emma was so not proper. It was undignified. And in no way proper for Emma. But the follow story arc looks to be Age of Apocalypse stuff with I think that would be X-Man.
With that, bed.
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It's a blogging platform. We had something similar when I was young. We called them notebooks. They also tended to be filled with drivel.
you also had old people who said that young people wasn’t producing anything of value
now it’s your turn to be that douche
No, I said hipsters. I'm not saying young people as a global value. Hip-hop as a culture has a strong youth element. It produces culture.
what was the youth culture when you were young?
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
It's a blogging platform. We had something similar when I was young. We called them notebooks. They also tended to be filled with drivel.
you also had old people who said that young people wasn’t producing anything of value
now it’s your turn to be that douche
But he never said that
In fact a few minutes ago he explicitly said he wasn't saying that
He specifically said they produce nothing of value and they just appropriate other cultures negatively.
If that's not the stupidest generalization of the year I'm Vince with the Slap Chop.
He said hipsters don't
Then he said not all youth are hipsters
I don't know how you get "Youth don't produce anything of value" from that
yeah when you define a hipster as someone who doesn't produce anything of value and then say hipsters don't produce anything of value you're performing impressive verbal gymnastics
but you're not actually saying anything other than, perhaps, "i am pretty silly"
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So how much culture does Katy Perry produce in Civ V is my question.
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It's a blogging platform. We had something similar when I was young. We called them notebooks. They also tended to be filled with drivel.
you also had old people who said that young people wasn’t producing anything of value
now it’s your turn to be that douche
No, I said hipsters. I'm not saying young people as a global value. Hip-hop as a culture has a strong youth element. It produces culture.
what was the youth culture when you were young?
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
I wore parachute pants. I wish I could say I was kidding.
In my defense, they were on sale at Montgomery Ward's.
donkey kong i am so glad you wasted your post on me
it warms my heart, it really does
but seriously i may be slightly delirious i think it is time for sleep
None of my posts are wasted. Given my posts and the field of all possible states of the universe, you could properly decode the entirely of existence. Therefore every post I make is as important as everything that was, is, and ever shall be.
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ThomamelasOnly one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered Userregular
It's a blogging platform. We had something similar when I was young. We called them notebooks. They also tended to be filled with drivel.
you also had old people who said that young people wasn’t producing anything of value
now it’s your turn to be that douche
No, I said hipsters. I'm not saying young people as a global value. Hip-hop as a culture has a strong youth element. It produces culture.
what was the youth culture when you were young?
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
I wore parachute pants. I wish I could say I was kidding.
In my defense, they were on sale at Montgomery Ward's.
If I had to chose between those two then I chose well.
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JacobkoshGamble a stamp.I can show you how to be a real man!Moderatormod
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
And all of them actually produced culture. Hipsters seem to do little more then to sort through the refuse pile of cultures gone by.
Problem One: If hipsters hadn't produced a culture, by what rubric would you then accredit hipsterism to someone?
Problem Two: How have other subcultures created other cultures by any means other than re-appropriating the detritus of mainstream culture?
Problem One: Adapting a mixture of various other cultures allow for the creation of a culture. That does not mean that the culture produces anything of value.
Problem Two: By altering it. Punk took Rock and Roll and added the anger of their period. This give something unique to them. Hipsters value the exact opposite. They aren't a creative subculture.
p1: but those very values are only measured, in turn, by the current cultural measurements. If they aren't producing anything of value, perhaps you have to actually analyze what is "valued" and in turn what the cultural implications of that are.
p2: This seems pretty ridiculous. How is "adding anger of the period" altering rock and roll, and how is that adding value. This is a fluff answer, and I do not accept it as valid. What about the thousands of artists who are producing art of far greater cultural value than the punks. Give me a punk artist, and I guarantee you that I can submit a quote hipster unquote (whatever that may mean) whose work is, GASP, shockingly more culturally creative than a punk artist, or at least as much so.
This is such a silly argument, D&D, and I am surprised that you are carrying on like this. Culture and Subculures are rarely anything other than net-neutral -- gains here and losses there which merely alter the course of life, both for better and for worse.
Sure, they are valued on current cultural measurements. You can make up any bullshit measurement you like to defend them but based on the metrics of the last few centuries, they come up short. Admittedly, producing a cultural metric that assigns them value might actually lead them to create something. It would be pretty novel.
And you don't see how adding the anger of rebellion produced a kind of music and movement that differed from cultures that came before it? That it rejected the excesses of mainstream music and added a harder edge to it then music that came before? And you really think you can find a hipster artist that you seriously believe will have as much long term impact on any kind of art as say the Ramones?
To your assertion that, over the course of the past one hundred years, let alone the "last few centuries" there is one singular way of judging art and culture, I'm not sure how to respond. There isn't a single uniting measurement for the last 50 years, let alone the last few centirues. What did the punk culture add to society, besides a reflection of their times? Being a mirror for the wasteland that followed the hippies does not seem like such an achievement to me.
Zoe Leonard -- "You See I Am Here Afterall Leonard's work is currently on display at the dia: beacon. It consists of over 1,000 actual postcards sent from niagara falls, and is grouped by the printing of the postcard and designed into a sort of view of the niagara falls. It is much more mimetic than the ramones, but also much more abstract. So it greatly surpasses the ramones. It is both somber and celebratory at the same time, neither major nor minor key. Again, surpasses the ramones on both a contemporary and an arch-historical point of view. It reappropriates history and investigates it. It could in fact provide a better foundation for the ramones.
well when I say I don't like hipsters I of course don't mean I don't hate them on sight. I'm not such a narrow minded person that I would hate someone before I got to know them unless they really deserved it.
It's just that hipsterism is all about identifying yourself as this nebulous thing that isn't a hipster because hipsters don't use the term hipster. I don't think they ever have. They seem like one of the few subcultures that doesn't like to be identified as a subculture they try very hard to identify as.
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
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This conversation happens at least once a week
Someone will be all
"Man, why couldn't we invade Canada"
And someone else will be all "No that's too cold, we should have invaded Mexico"
And then someone else says "That would still be hot as fuck"
"Yeah but at least Mexico has bitches"
i should really sleep
And liberty medical is no help unless you're old. I can't wait that long to get help for my diabetes. My diabetes will kill me first!
That depends...have you created anything of cultural value?
it warms my heart, it really does
but seriously i may be slightly delirious i think it is time for sleep
He said hipsters don't
Then he said not all youth are hipsters
I don't know how you get "Youth don't produce anything of value" from that
No, I said hipsters. I'm not saying young people as a global value. Hip-hop as a culture has a strong youth element. It produces culture.
I seem to recall you worried he might not be overly endowed with smarts. Is that an issue?
misplaced comma alert
She has rabbit teeth but they are cute rabbit teeth. I approve.
i am made of cultural value
or maybe not
i don't know, this is boring
im gonna go smoke a cigarette and read a book about proust
what was the youth culture when you were young?
Here comes the vicious cycle though.
Define hipster. Separate "hipster" from the vast majority of youth culture in America today.
On the black screen
With that, bed.
There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.
but you're not actually saying anything other than, perhaps, "i am pretty silly"
I wore parachute pants. I wish I could say I was kidding.
In my defense, they were on sale at Montgomery Ward's.
4 per turn.
None of my posts are wasted. Given my posts and the field of all possible states of the universe, you could properly decode the entirely of existence. Therefore every post I make is as important as everything that was, is, and ever shall be.
If I had to chose between those two then I chose well.
where did anyone say this?
so slackers
what is it now?
more after the commercial break
It was pretty much the grunge thing, as I recall.
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he said hipsters were people who appropriated other movements without adding anything of their own
and then said they produced nothing of value
well if they're defined as a group that does not contribute culturally, then no shit sherlock, that group is not going to produce anything of value
no, I don't think she's a hipster
her stuff is very poppy and produced, which sets people's inauthenticity alarms off.
To your assertion that, over the course of the past one hundred years, let alone the "last few centuries" there is one singular way of judging art and culture, I'm not sure how to respond. There isn't a single uniting measurement for the last 50 years, let alone the last few centirues. What did the punk culture add to society, besides a reflection of their times? Being a mirror for the wasteland that followed the hippies does not seem like such an achievement to me.
Zoe Leonard -- "You See I Am Here Afterall Leonard's work is currently on display at the dia: beacon. It consists of over 1,000 actual postcards sent from niagara falls, and is grouped by the printing of the postcard and designed into a sort of view of the niagara falls. It is much more mimetic than the ramones, but also much more abstract. So it greatly surpasses the ramones. It is both somber and celebratory at the same time, neither major nor minor key. Again, surpasses the ramones on both a contemporary and an arch-historical point of view. It reappropriates history and investigates it. It could in fact provide a better foundation for the ramones.
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It's just that hipsterism is all about identifying yourself as this nebulous thing that isn't a hipster because hipsters don't use the term hipster. I don't think they ever have. They seem like one of the few subcultures that doesn't like to be identified as a subculture they try very hard to identify as.
the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
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I bet if you actually asked thom he might be able to provide a more elaborate definition
but then of course you couldn't accuse him of tautology
This reeks of old-timerism. Pretty much ALL young hip hop artists now a days are hipsters.
So either retract your statement or revel in the paradox.