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KotOR: We Hate Taris More then Skywalkers Hate Sand!

CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
edited March 2011 in Games and Technology
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So, KotOR was this obscure RPG made by some small Canadian studio no one ever heard of. I've heard good things, though.

Booting it up, it hasn't aged well, but the writing and voicework is still top notch. The combat is smooth, the skills are varied, and the guns are useless, clumsy, savage weapons. Everyone looks like Kryten, but once you get past that it is probably the finest WRPG of it's generation.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KOTOR was too similar to the original trilogy. I preferred KOTOR 2 as far as plot goes.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Kotor 2 is better.

    But really, I tried playing it again a few months ago when it was $2 on steam, and just couldn't hack how horrible the PC interface was

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    AstaleAstale Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I swear we'd better find out what happened to
    Revan

    in TOR or I'm going to go all pissy we didn't get KotOR 3 again.

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ah, this was my first "western" RPG. It took me a damn long time to grasp all the stats and such.

    Actually, Neverwinter Nights was my first. I only beat the first act.

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Kotor 2 would have been better, apart from where they forgot to finish it. But then again, it wouldn't be an Obsidian game if they actually finished making it.

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Honestly, I hated KotOR 2. I never felt like the group was a cohesive unit the way Revan's team was. 1 had a classic Star Wars plot, but 2 felt like a jumbled mismatch of plots. Atris vs. Traya vs. Nihilus. vs. Revan. vs. Exile vs. Jedi vs. Sith vs. Mandalorians vs. True Sith. It all felt so clunky. And then you had the eldritch abomination that goes down is a few hits.

    I liked the new robes and upgrades, though.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    -SPI- wrote: »
    Kotor 2 would have been better, apart from where they forgot to finish it. But then again, it wouldn't be an Obsidian game if they actually finished making it.

    I thought that that confrontation at Dantooine was a fine ending. :mrgreen:

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    NO EXILE YOU ARE THE NIHILUS

    AND THEN EXILE WAS THE NIHILUS

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    The ending of KOTOR 2 gave me all the resolution I felt was necessary. Your mileage may vary I guess?

    It was always an inward trekking journey, as with Planescape, and the Exile found his Transcendant One and his answer.

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    NATIKNATIK DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KOTOR 2 was my definite favorite.

    It had better more complete systems, better story and more options.

    Only thing it lacked was a finished ending, what was there was okay but left you feeling a little short changed. The awesomeness of the writing, especially of Kreia makes up for it though, she is brilliant to talk to.

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    What answer? All we learn is that we're some kind of force vampire and the Revan buggered off to the Unknown Regions to chase the Sith Emperor.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    What answer? All we learn is that we're some kind of force vampire and the Revan buggered off to the Unknown Regions to chase the Sith Emperor.

    I think you need to replay it, because you seem to be taking the answer as presented by the Jedi Council as the truth. Did you even listen to Kreia?

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.

    Unless Revan did it.

    Or did he?

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    DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I'd love to see Bioware go back and release an official widescreen patch that works with the Steam version of KOTOR. I hate playing it windowed, and the community hack requires you get to get an alternative executable from less than trustworthy sites and put it in the Steam folder (which can get your account banned) and THEN get another program that fixes the hud and ugh its way too much of a headache.

    And yeah, KOTOR III while I'm wishing. MMOs just aren't my bag, at least as they're designed today.

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I can't even get two hours into KOTOR II because of the frigging bugs.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.

    Unless Revan did it.

    Or did he?

    Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.

    Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    And FWIW, Taris wasn't really that bad.

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.

    Unless Revan did it.

    Or did he?

    Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.

    Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.

    That message might be better if it wasn't coming from a Dark Lord of the Sith.

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    citizen059citizen059 hello my name is citizen I'm from the InternetRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.

    Unless Revan did it.

    Or did he?

    Read through this if you haven't already. It explains everything.

    I mean everything.

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Yes. Apparently doing good is bad because it could maybe lead to bad things but being bad is also bad because it is bad.

    Unless Revan did it.

    Or did he?

    Being good without considering the long term consequences is just shallow feel goodness that accomplishes little to nothing in the face of an entire galaxy in need of healing. If you want to actually do "good" you have to play the long game just as much as the bad guys.

    Which by the way is not related to the Exile's "answer" but you veered off onto a completely different aspect of Kreia's teachings so there ya go.

    That message might be better if it wasn't coming from a Dark Lord of the Sith.

    That is a hat she wore, yes.

    What's your point?

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    RubycatRubycat Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You know how KOTOR and KOTOR II are on the backwards compatibility list for 360?.. yeah, they shouldn't be on that list..
    --my poor old xbox went poop-

    KOTOR was a fantastic game, even with its stupid make one choice and your instantly evil section. (some funny evil character moments though after that.)

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KotOR runs fine post update.

    And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.

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    The AnonymousThe Anonymous Uh, uh, uhhhhhh... Uh, uh.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Rubycat wrote: »
    You know how KOTOR and KOTOR II are on the backwards compatibility list for 360?.. yeah, they shouldn't be on that list..
    At least KOTOR II is semi-playable. KOTOR I on the 360...is not (Tatooine glitch FFFFFFFFFFFFF).

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I've played through both KotORs on the 360 just fine.

    2 does some wierd sound things, but that's about it.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KotOR runs fine post update.

    And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.

    What if they were evil flowers and bunnies?

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    RubycatRubycat Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    they must have released some extra updates since the last time I tried. (before the NXE) because II ran fine until you got into combat, then it ran like mud and I had no idea what was going on as everything hopped skipped and lagged all over.

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    Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Spoit wrote: »
    And FWIW, Taris wasn't really that bad.
    Yeah, I actually liked Taris! And guns weren't useless!

    Whenever I hear music from KotOR I still get all nostalgic. KotOR 2 really needed an ending.

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    NATIKNATIK DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.

    Afaik it's more that the Dark Side corrupts, not that you HAVE to be evil to use it, it will corrupt you into evil though.

    But there are examples in Star Wars of Grey Jedi who manage to walk the path between the Dark Side and the Light Side.

    That said keeping a strict balance isn't what Kreia advocated, she advocated always being aware of your actions and their long term effects. Basically to mastermind everything. She disliked the pure Dark Side Sith teachings as much as she did the pure Light Side Jedi teachings. To her they were both facets of the same futile way of doing things, focus on a short term action at the cost of the long term goal.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    She also wanted to kill the force. That is as much against the Dark Side stuff as it is against the Light Side stuff.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I liked the original KotoR a lot, except that you didn't start as a Jedi and couldn't get back those X class levels to put into a Jedi class :(. So I spend most playthroughs not leveling until I become a Jedi.

    The second game I absolutely loved though. The depth of the writing was fantastic and it still makes me angry to this day they never finished the game. It just crippled what was one of the rare Starwars games I've ever seen to treat the force in an actually complex manner (Not strict black or white).

    However, the original has the best moment ever when I finally was able to kill Carth. That felt so good.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I've played through both KotORs on the 360 just fine.

    How

    How did the audio glitches not make you kill everyone in a five-mile radius

    Why aren't you in prison for multiple homicides

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    How do you know he didn't play through the games from being in prison already?

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KotOR runs fine post update.

    And here's a little tip, the Sith are evil. They have to be in order to channel the Dark Side. It's why you don't see any Darths just handing out flowers and bunnies.

    What I was trying to get you to process is that Kreia is not a Sith.

    It's a useful role for manipulating events. She no more operates under their philosophy nor furthers their goals than you or I. Due in no small part to things like
    Couscous wrote: »
    She also wanted to kill the force. That is as much against the Dark Side stuff as it is against the Light Side stuff.

    And the fact that destroying the Jedi Council was the exact opposite of her goal. Which is why she berates you for being a retard if you go the full Dark Side route.

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    Mr. PokeylopeMr. Pokeylope Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I really enjoyed the first game but the second was so disappointing. The first part was worst than taris, the middle was ok and the whole ending section was terrible.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Also, 360 issues aside, this game holds a special place in my heart

    It was my first Western RPG

    I bought an OXbox specifically for it (and it ended up being the only exclusive game I dug), with my very first tax return

    So, so good

    Shame about the sequel

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I prefer KotOR 1 to KotOR 2 for a number of reasons

    1) feels more Star Wars-y
    2) has an ending
    3) no bullshit "favor" system
    4) Jolee Bindo

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Olivaw wrote: »
    I prefer KotOR 1 to KotOR 2 for a number of reasons

    1) feels more Star Wars-y
    Funny, that is why I prefer KOTOR 2.

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I don't know

    Sometimes, on occasion, I think that KotOR 2 misses the point of Star Wars

    Adding depth to the Force and treating it beyond simple black and white/light and dark/good and evil is not what swashbuckling space fantasy is all about

    But I sort of like what they did with the Exile and Revan's character through that sequel, even if I hated Kreia and most of the supporting characters

    So I don't really know how I feel about it I guess

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    FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    KOTOR 2 is pretty much tailor made for people who hate Star Wars in execution but like Star Wars conceptually.

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    AegeriAegeri Tiny wee bacteriums Plateau of LengRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Gaffi sticks blocking lightsabers made me rage so hard in KotoR.

    Rage.

    Edit: You know, that's a really valid point Olivaw.

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