I'm just wondering how we can tell if all these measures (removing shoes, liquid limitations, full body scans, etc.) are actually worth the cost in time and money, and how can you tell if security is improved?
I'm just wondering how we can tell if all these measures (removing shoes, liquid limitations, full body scans, etc.) are actually worth the cost in time and money, and how can you tell if security is improved?
I'm just wondering how we can tell if all these measures (removing shoes, liquid limitations, full body scans, etc.) are actually worth the cost in time and money, and how can you tell if security is improved?
I'm just wondering how we can tell if all these measures (removing shoes, liquid limitations, full body scans, etc.) are actually worth the cost in time and money, and how can you tell if security is improved?
If you aren't blowing up, it works?
The terrorists aren't attacking because they just feel really embarrassed for us now
i feel like there was probably a cheaper more effective option for making planes more secure than massive amounts of poorly trained security and repurposed medical technology
Such as?
asking politely if they have weapons on them, like we did before 9/11.
I'm sure most of us have read some version of this but here it is for reference yet again.
One argument I've seen presented is basically this:
would you be comfortable with having your 5 year old daughter put through that scanner? The images are pretty revealing you can't deny, although I guess you could argue on just how revealing they are.
If not, would you be comfortable with them being "patted down" by a TSA officer?
Oh yeah, I forgot every single person in the world besides me is a pedophile. Scary shit.
Am I allowed to say suggestive things while the TSA agent pats me down?
Also, do I get to choose which one pats me down?
I think I'll get an ID that says I'm a woman, that way I can point to it when I say I want a woman to search me.
For example, I'm an auditor and a lot of my clients are out of town and I fly from week to week. Should I be forced to go through an intrusive patdown?
Balls, fucking get them. You can proclaim you have them in plenty all you want, but that doesn't change the facts. You are not forced to submit to a patdown, so stop being so hyperbolic and man the fuck up.
I agree in that I don't really give a shit if someone grabs my junk.
Then again, there are men and women who have reservations about being touched my strangers.
Shit, on Dexter a few weeks ago there was a character being patted down at the airport after being raped and abused and she almost lost it.
Obviously that's fiction, but after seeing that, I can see people being really uncomfortable.
Like I said Dru, I don't give a shit if someone wants to frisk me. I figured it would be a good topic to discuss though, as people have opinions on it.
But my point is that your claim that you're forced to be frisked is a lie. Just go through the damn scanner. No need to be frisked. So yeah, you still need to find your balls.
And nice job referencing a fictional tv show. Brilliant
considering the rape victim thing is a major consideration being discussed in other mediums, I don't think it was an unfair source
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Muse Among MenSuburban Bunny Princess?Its time for a new shtick Registered Userregular
edited November 2010
Ladies can make use of strap-ons. They can participate too.
it is kind of stunning to me how much people care about this, compared with how little people have cared about incursions on privacy in pretty much every other aspect of life
i feel like there was probably a cheaper more effective option for making planes more secure than massive amounts of poorly trained security and repurposed medical technology
Such as?
asking politely if they have weapons on them, like we did before 9/11.
I'm sure most of us have read some version of this but here it is for reference yet again.
Yes, because you can slap any solution that works in a different culture and expect it to work just as well in your culture because these are very simple problems we're talking about that have no nuance and are exactly the same in both countries.
One argument I've seen presented is basically this:
would you be comfortable with having your 5 year old daughter put through that scanner? The images are pretty revealing you can't deny, although I guess you could argue on just how revealing they are.
If not, would you be comfortable with them being "patted down" by a TSA officer?
rofl
all male gynecologists are secretly like "oh HELL YES another day at work down at the pussy mines"
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i feel like there was probably a cheaper more effective option for making planes more secure than massive amounts of poorly trained security and repurposed medical technology
Such as?
asking politely if they have weapons on them, like we did before 9/11.
I'm sure most of us have read some version of this but here it is for reference yet again.
I've never known Americans to get indignant about judgement calls made by authority figures based on subjective factors
Never ever
it is kind of stunning to me how much people care about this, compared with how little people have cared about incursions on privacy in pretty much every other aspect of life
those other incursions don't show people how much of a fat lazy slob i am
ArtreusI'm a wizardAnd that looks fucked upRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
While I'm sure the TSA is often incompetent and inefficient, I feel this issue is getting blown way out of proportion. Though if it does lead to some worthwhile reform I suppose it will have been worth it.
Am I allowed to say suggestive things while the TSA agent pats me down?
Also, do I get to choose which one pats me down?
I think I'll get an ID that says I'm a woman, that way I can point to it when I say I want a woman to search me.
playing games with the tsa is probably not the best idea ever if you want to stay out of jail
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
One argument I've seen presented is basically this:
would you be comfortable with having your 5 year old daughter put through that scanner? The images are pretty revealing you can't deny, although I guess you could argue on just how revealing they are.
If not, would you be comfortable with them being "patted down" by a TSA officer?
Oh yeah, I forgot every single person in the world besides me is a pedophile. Scary shit.
So... what, you're saying I'm presenting a ridiculous argument or you're making a joke or both?
it is kind of stunning to me how much people care about this, compared with how little people have cared about incursions on privacy in pretty much every other aspect of life
I'm cool with government and private industry invading every aspect of my life but I'd rather they not lay one finger on my sticky, eczema-riddled stretch-marks.
i feel like there was probably a cheaper more effective option for making planes more secure than massive amounts of poorly trained security and repurposed medical technology
Such as?
asking politely if they have weapons on them, like we did before 9/11.
I'm sure most of us have read some version of this but here it is for reference yet again.
Yes, because you can slap any solution that works in a different culture and expect it to work just as well in your culture because these are very simple problems we're talking about that have no nuance and are exactly the same in both countries.
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
because people are getting worked up about how dangerous x-rays supposedly are
just like people got worked up about how vaccines supposedly cause autism
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
One argument I've seen presented is basically this:
would you be comfortable with having your 5 year old daughter put through that scanner? The images are pretty revealing you can't deny, although I guess you could argue on just how revealing they are.
If not, would you be comfortable with them being "patted down" by a TSA officer?
Oh yeah, I forgot every single person in the world besides me is a pedophile. Scary shit.
So... what, you're saying I'm presenting a ridiculous argument or you're making a joke or both?
Internet and/or being me makes it hard to tell.
I'm saying that the scan isn't inherently more wrong when being discussed in regards to children when the image is being used in a purely non-sexual context. The argument is just trying to take advantage of peoples' "hide the children they will be molested" instinct.
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
Radiation, the risk of the unknown, the violation of the 4th amendment, and the repeated history of lies and mistruths regarding these machines in general.
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Raneadospolice apologistyou shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered Userregular
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
because people are getting worked up about how dangerous x-rays supposedly are
just like people got worked up about how vaccines supposedly cause autism
honestly what is so different about getting scanned compared with having to walk through a metal detector and go through one of those air puffer things
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
As someone who had to fly a bunch, it's mostly about time. When they use the full body scanners, it makes security even slower. You have to remove everything from your pockets, plus your belt, and then assume the scanning pose and do the scan.
With a regular metal detector, I can walk through and it either beeps or not, a relatively quick process.
"First, it's fast — there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys."
also, just because you go through the full body scanners, doesn't mean you're off the hook for a pat down
So, what might cause you to receive a pat-down? Passengers may receive a pat-down in a number of circumstances: to resolve an alarm at a walk-through metal detector; if an anomaly is detected during screening with advanced imaging technology; or during random screening
The best thing about America is that we have a written constitution which limits the powers of the GHAHAHASHAHAHA
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HunterChemist with a heart of AuRegistered Userregular
edited November 2010
So a guy I work with went on a trip with his daughter and they had to go through the full body scanners. Apparently he overheard the 20 something guys running the scanner making comments about his daughter being hot, her ass, and things they would do to it.
I wouldn't be shocked if this doesn't get into the news, since he flipped the fuck out, chewed out the TSA agents, their manager, the head of security at the airport, and an airline rep who accidentally got in the line of fire. In his own words he was shocked they didn't try to get him arrested for the language he sent in their direction.
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If you aren't blowing up, it works?
Has our nation's defenses saved me?
this logic is severely flawed
The terrorists aren't attacking because they just feel really embarrassed for us now
edit: Swill, he's joking
I'm sure most of us have read some version of this but here it is for reference yet again.
Oh yeah, I forgot every single person in the world besides me is a pedophile. Scary shit.
Also, do I get to choose which one pats me down?
I think I'll get an ID that says I'm a woman, that way I can point to it when I say I want a woman to search me.
considering the rape victim thing is a major consideration being discussed in other mediums, I don't think it was an unfair source
Yes, because you can slap any solution that works in a different culture and expect it to work just as well in your culture because these are very simple problems we're talking about that have no nuance and are exactly the same in both countries.
hint: that's sarcasm on my part
rofl
all male gynecologists are secretly like "oh HELL YES another day at work down at the pussy mines"
I've never known Americans to get indignant about judgement calls made by authority figures based on subjective factors
Never ever
those other incursions don't show people how much of a fat lazy slob i am
playing games with the tsa is probably not the best idea ever if you want to stay out of jail
why is this the thing that is pushing everyone over the edge
So... what, you're saying I'm presenting a ridiculous argument or you're making a joke or both?
Internet and/or being me makes it hard to tell.
I'm cool with government and private industry invading every aspect of my life but I'd rather they not lay one finger on my sticky, eczema-riddled stretch-marks.
Also, the first step in their plan is profiling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4&feature=player_embedded
because people are getting worked up about how dangerous x-rays supposedly are
just like people got worked up about how vaccines supposedly cause autism
radiation exposure
I'm saying that the scan isn't inherently more wrong when being discussed in regards to children when the image is being used in a purely non-sexual context. The argument is just trying to take advantage of peoples' "hide the children they will be molested" instinct.
uh
there's quite a bit more to it than that
Yes, but they're now doing some kinda enhanced pat downs now.
and it is definitely a thing in use
p.s.- no one should be surprised that security people are assholes
they love power tripping
As someone who had to fly a bunch, it's mostly about time. When they use the full body scanners, it makes security even slower. You have to remove everything from your pockets, plus your belt, and then assume the scanning pose and do the scan.
With a regular metal detector, I can walk through and it either beeps or not, a relatively quick process.
now they use the palms of their hands and cup your junk and boobs if you are a woman. basically a really good first date.
I wouldn't be shocked if this doesn't get into the news, since he flipped the fuck out, chewed out the TSA agents, their manager, the head of security at the airport, and an airline rep who accidentally got in the line of fire. In his own words he was shocked they didn't try to get him arrested for the language he sent in their direction.
Also, his daughter is smoking hot.
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