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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    Old wouldn't favor Paul though.

    Most Republicans are still Republicans, who are old and white.

    Yeah I take it back. I was thinking Paul v. other R candidates not Paul v. Obama.

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    YallYall Registered User regular
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    If that Rasmussen is the one I saw on RealClearPolitics today, then it only pertains to Georgia. I'm not sure that says much if Ron Paul polls ahead of Obama in that state.

    Scratch that, I miss reread or misremembered. Apparently it was the Survey USA poll for Georgia.

    Mill on
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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    You need to be a subscriber to see their tracking poll against all four candidates, which is presumably where your friend got that. Ras also wildly skews their sample really, really old and white.

    Well, yeah, the first thing I did was point out the 3.9% republican bias in Rasmussen polling that Nate Silver talked about.

    But I was still curious if there was a way to see the 3% lead Ron Paul supposedly had over Obama.

    From polls I've seen he does pretty consistently do the best or close to it against the President.

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    stormageddonstormageddon Registered User new member
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

    Every single other recent poll that matches the two has Obama winning by 7-10 points. Definition of an outlier even by Rasmussen standards.

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    dbrock270dbrock270 Registered User regular
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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Turnout expected to be down here in Michigan. <20% of registered voters (21% showed up in 2008).

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    Because his ideas are radical enough to relegate him to the political fringe. Also, I don't know about lying. He still won't cop to those racist newsletters, and I'm still fairly certain that recent advertisement line about how he watched an aborted fetus get thrown in the trash while they diligently worked to save another down the hall is utter hogwash.

    And then...there's that whole aspect of how american voters really aren't very interested in hearing the naked truth about much of anything unless it involves a juicy scandal.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.
    High turnouts have helped Santorum so far while low turnouts were usually Romney wins.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.
    High turnouts have helped Santorum so far while low turnouts were usually Romney wins.

    Actually, I don't think turnout was that high in any of Santorum's wins, were they? *Gingrich* wins have featured high turnout.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.
    High turnouts have helped Santorum so far while low turnouts were usually Romney wins.

    The early voting that was already done apparently favored Romney pretty heavily (due to it taking place so close to the last debate).

    Santorum is going to need a pretty big turnout to swing this thing.

    Truth be told I was hoping Obama would have a "And be sure to go out and vote in the Republican Primary!" line during his speech to the UAW. "They need all the help they can get" or something.

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    YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    IIRC Romney has a big lead among people who have already submitted their votes. So in theory the Romney campaign wants no one to turn out, and they'll have the victory in the bag.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    The sitting President actively meddling in the other party's primary process strikes me as a very bad idea.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.
    High turnouts have helped Santorum so far while low turnouts were usually Romney wins.

    Actually, I don't think turnout was that high in any of Santorum's wins, were they? *Gingrich* wins have featured high turnout.
    There were high turnouts win he won all three caucuses that one time, I think.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    I did depends on why the turn out is low.

    If it's low because part of the base in demoralized which seems to be often the case for Romney, while the not Romney base isn't or still energized, it could hurt Romney. If the entire base id not energized, that probably helps Romney.

    I'm wondering how much of a factor those early voting ballots will be. When were people able to start casting that way because it might be premature to say they'll largely benefit Romney. Santorum's standing in the polls didn't start dropping till after he bombed the last debate, so it possible he could have gotten a leg up on Romney there or narrowed the potential gap that Romney could have.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    The sitting President actively meddling in the other party's primary process strikes me as a very bad idea.

    Probably.

    But it would've made me laugh, and really that's all I'm looking for nowadays.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    So let's all speculate? Does a light turnout help Romney or Santorum?

    With the poll numbers leaning more or less Romney, and with one expecting that anyone voting for Santorum would need to be energized, my guess is that it helps ol' R-Money.
    High turnouts have helped Santorum so far while low turnouts were usually Romney wins.

    Actually, I don't think turnout was that high in any of Santorum's wins, were they? *Gingrich* wins have featured high turnout.
    There were high turnouts win he won all three caucuses that one time, I think.

    Colorado was low.
    And Minnesota.

    Which are the two relevant states. Iowa was down too.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    IIRC Romney has a big lead among people who have already submitted their votes. So in theory the Romney campaign wants no one to turn out, and they'll have the victory in the bag.

    I have to think, with the long strip tease this Michigan primary has been, if Romney wins in a landslide then Santorum probably looses ALL momentum and will need to drop out.

    A lot of people and talking heads are talking about the ramifications of how Romney will fare if he loses Michigan, but if he wins, Romney already has all of the West in the bag with the exception of Texas, which might swing for Santorum (ugh) if he hasn't lost all face by whenever Texas decides to let people vote (which is still TBD). He also will get most, if not all, of the remaining East Coast with the possibility of Pennsylvania leaning toward Santorum. Gingrich will possibly take some of the South and continue to not matter.

    If Romney blows out Michigan and takes Arizona, ol' Frothy might as well hang up the sweater vest.

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    TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    I did depends on why the turn out is low.

    If it's low because part of the base in demoralized which seems to be often the case for Romney, while the not Romney base isn't or still energized, it could hurt Romney. If the entire base id not energized, that probably helps Romney.

    I'm wondering how much of a factor those early voting ballots will be. When were people able to start casting that way because it might be premature to say they'll largely benefit Romney. Santorum's standing in the polls didn't start dropping till after he bombed the last debate, so it possible he could have gotten a leg up on Romney there or narrowed the potential gap that Romney could have.

    What I would really like to know is how the hell do we already know who the early voting favors? I didn't think it was legal to post partial results of elections before the polls close because it have the possibility of effecting people who haven't voted?

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1406838&position=0
    Former GOP presidential candidate John McCain said yesterday he fears Republicans will be stuck with a bloodied nominee so sapped by months of campaign attacks that he can’t beat President Obama — even as the party’s four combatants prepare to do battle again today in Michigan and Arizona.

    “This is like watching a Greek tragedy,” McCain told the Herald. “It’s the negative campaigning and the increasingly personal attacks ... it should have stopped long ago. Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks.”

    ...

    “I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,” McCain said. “I think we still can win. ... Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.”
    So is this like Oedipus, Medea, Seven Against Thebes, or some other tragedy?

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    I did depends on why the turn out is low.

    If it's low because part of the base in demoralized which seems to be often the case for Romney, while the not Romney base isn't or still energized, it could hurt Romney. If the entire base id not energized, that probably helps Romney.

    I'm wondering how much of a factor those early voting ballots will be. When were people able to start casting that way because it might be premature to say they'll largely benefit Romney. Santorum's standing in the polls didn't start dropping till after he bombed the last debate, so it possible he could have gotten a leg up on Romney there or narrowed the potential gap that Romney could have.

    What I would really like to know is how the hell do we already know who the early voting favors? I didn't think it was legal to post partial results of elections before the polls close because it have the possibility of effecting people who haven't voted?

    I think they're judging by the opinion polls from the days following the debate (during which Romney had a massive upswing) which happen to be the days that those early ballots would've been filled out.

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    MillMill Registered User regular
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    I did depends on why the turn out is low.

    If it's low because part of the base in demoralized which seems to be often the case for Romney, while the not Romney base isn't or still energized, it could hurt Romney. If the entire base id not energized, that probably helps Romney.

    I'm wondering how much of a factor those early voting ballots will be. When were people able to start casting that way because it might be premature to say they'll largely benefit Romney. Santorum's standing in the polls didn't start dropping till after he bombed the last debate, so it possible he could have gotten a leg up on Romney there or narrowed the potential gap that Romney could have.

    What I would really like to know is how the hell do we already know who the early voting favors? I didn't think it was legal to post partial results of elections before the polls close because it have the possibility of effecting people who haven't voted?

    Yeah, I find that a bit worrisome myself. I'm pretty sure it's big-mouth shit heads blabbing about who they voted for early, that don't get they should keep their mouths shut by either not saying they voted early and they support candidate X or mentioning they voted early but won't drop any names till the polls close.

    The media is another issue here. With some foot work and investigation, one could gather enough information to infer who might have the lead in the early voting polls. It be nice if they would exercise some fucking integrity and not even report on the possible slant that early voters have but sadly they won't do that because they need a story to garner rating and it doesn't matter if that story could skew an election (Yeah, fuck you foxnews for 2000).

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view.bg?articleid=1406838&position=0
    Former GOP presidential candidate John McCain said yesterday he fears Republicans will be stuck with a bloodied nominee so sapped by months of campaign attacks that he can’t beat President Obama — even as the party’s four combatants prepare to do battle again today in Michigan and Arizona.

    “This is like watching a Greek tragedy,” McCain told the Herald. “It’s the negative campaigning and the increasingly personal attacks ... it should have stopped long ago. Any utility from the debates has been exhausted, and now it’s just exchanging cheap shots and personal shots followed by super PAC attacks.”

    ...

    “I know he’s going to be the nominee but I also worry about how much damage has been done,” McCain said. “I think we still can win. ... Once we get this over, the more we’ll be focused on Obama’s failures.”
    So is this like Oedipus, Medea, Seven Against Thebes, or some other tragedy?

    Yep. Bunch of people unnecessarily tearing themselves apart because they're too flawed to see that they don't have to.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    Being consistent is only a virtue if you're not terrible.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-santorum-democrats-in-league-together
    Mitt Romney told FOX Business on Tuesday that Rick Santorum and Democrats are joining forces in order to prevent him from securing the nomination.

    “There is no question they are in league; they probably haven’t communicated with one another, but they don’t need to," Romney said. “That tells Republicans who the Democrats are most afraid of and it’s not Rick Santorum it’s me and that’s why they are doing that."

    Romney also downplayed his chances in Michigan, saying "I would like to win"but not flatly predicting a victory.

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    mindsporkmindspork Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-santorum-democrats-in-league-together
    Mitt Romney told FOX Business on Tuesday that Rick Santorum and Democrats are joining forces in order to prevent him from securing the nomination.

    “There is no question they are in league; they probably haven’t communicated with one another, but they don’t need to," Romney said. “That tells Republicans who the Democrats are most afraid of and it’s not Rick Santorum it’s me and that’s why they are doing that."

    Romney also downplayed his chances in Michigan, saying "I would like to win"but not flatly predicting a victory.

    Countdown until Romney blames the Legion of Doom (Either one, the comics or the wrestling guys) begins now.

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    DelzhandDelzhand Hard to miss. Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote:
    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-santorum-democrats-in-league-together
    Mitt Romney told FOX Business on Tuesday that Rick Santorum and Democrats are joining forces in order to prevent him from securing the nomination.

    “There is no question they are in league; they probably haven’t communicated with one another, but they don’t need to," Romney said. “That tells Republicans who the Democrats are most afraid of and it’s not Rick Santorum it’s me and that’s why they are doing that."

    Romney also downplayed his chances in Michigan, saying "I would like to win"but not flatly predicting a victory.

    does he not know what in league means

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    NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

    He's also the only candidate on either side that isn't going to send us into war any more.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    edited February 2012
    Too many people use the word "Greek" as a prefacing adjective to the word "tragedy."


    Remember that time Romney got his mom pregnant after accidentally killing his father?

    Atomika on
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    MillMill Registered User regular
    NotYou wrote: »
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

    He's also the only candidate on either side that isn't going to send us into war any more.

    I don't see Obama really pushing for a war right now.

    Also not sending us to war won't do much good if your policies result in one ending up on our doorstep.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    NotYou wrote: »
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

    He's also the only candidate on either side that isn't going to send us into war any more.

    Prove it.

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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    NotYou wrote: »
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

    He's also the only candidate on either side that isn't going to send us into war any more.

    ...

    So, no wars, but also no social contract or reproductive or civil rights.

    Fair trade?

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    TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    NotYou wrote: »
    Yall wrote: »
    Unlike the other candidates Ron Paul is actually consistent.

    In fact I think I saw something back last year which showed that Ron Paul has made the least false statements out of all the candidates and even then they were mostly misstatements, not outright lies.

    Bachman on the other hand lied like 70% of the time.

    And yet the Republican Party has he shall always be an "also ran."

    I dont agree with RP on a lot of things, ut from what little I know, he seems to be pretty honest. Of course I could be hilariously uninformed and maybe he is just another scumbag instead of an honest but kinda crazy person.

    What is it with people?

    Ron Paul is honest, I'll give him that. He's also an awful, miserable excuse for a human being.

    He's also the only candidate on either side that isn't going to send us into war any more.

    I don't see Obama really pushing for a war right now.

    Also not sending us to war won't do much good if your policies result in one ending up on our doorstep.

    Or...you know...the complete and total collapse of the world economy.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Also all our currency will be exchanged for GOLD! SHINY SHINY GOLD! ALL THE GOLD YOU CAN EAT! GET IT WHILE THE GETTIN'S GOOD!

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    Too many people use the word "Greek" as a prefacing adjective to the word "tragedy."


    Remember that time Romney got his mom pregnant after accidentally killing his father?

    My understanding of a "Greek Tragedy" is that every character, by trying to do the right thing, winds up ruining everyone's lives and bringing about the fall of all that is good and decent.

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    mindsporkmindspork Registered User regular
    Actually using the 'wiki' definition:

    Tragedy (Ancient Greek: τραγῳδία, tragōidia, "he-goat-song"[1]) is a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes in its audience an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in the viewing.

    It's pretty much a Greek Tragedy if you're not a Republican.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Romney does have hubris.

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    TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    mindspork wrote: »
    Actually using the 'wiki' definition:

    Tragedy (Ancient Greek: τραγῳδία, tragōidia, "he-goat-song"[1]) is a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes in its audience an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in the viewing.

    It's pretty much a Greek Tragedy if you're not a Republican.

    Schadenfreude: The Motion Picture?

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