What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
I guess we have just each other, on this lonely space station..
and my axe
people keep mentioning Fallout 3 as an example where the ending really did get changed, what happened there?
I don't know if I actually have to spoiler this but
originally, you die at the end, when the DLC, Broken Steel, came out, it made it so that you got rescued after losing consciousness, or you could send some of your other followers, the ones immune to radiation in to save the day instead.
basically, instead of finishing the main quest ending the game, it let you continue playing after.
so mad at Fawkes
bluh blurh destiny
Charon's reply was much better, it was just like "Nope, fuck you get out of here"
What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
I guess we have just each other, on this lonely space station..
What I dislike most about these alternate ending theories is that they are - in essence - just an elaborate construct that excuses the poor ending that BioWare provided. It's like the fan community is so unwilling to believe that the ending is bad that they're jumping through these ridiculous hoops to theorize that it's actually great, and the community is just too dumb/ignorant to realize it. It's the worst kind of masochism, deflecting blame onto the customers rather than the developer.
Plus, it's way overblown in significance. It's a letdown, for some, but for many it's just the end and nothing more egregious. They just don't care. It doesn't really break the game, just tarnishes it. But the way some people who are annoyed by it seem to be shifting all blame onto themselves instead of onto the developer seems peculiar at best, downright sinister at worst.
I also think donating to charity as a form of protest is also quite underhanded. It's as though they are holding the needs of the sick and infirm to ransom for what they want, which is a better ending. It's as though because they are giving money to charity, their position and stance is unimpeachable. As though because they are funnelling their desires through a charity, any criticism of their demands/desires is - in part - an attack on the good will it is providing. That's wrong. That's abusing the good work that Child's Play does to strengthen your own personal stance on an issue. An issue that, many would agree, is utterly insignificant in the face of what the people who need Child's Play actually have to deal with.
That's pretty cynical Scarab. Everyone wins when more people give to a charity.
If the ending had been better the ending response would have been... less money for charity? How are you justifying this as a bad thing?
No that's exactly my point. It's a good thing, obviously. So if I was BioWare, I'd never give these people what they want, because then Child's Play would keep getting money.
I mean it's a bad thing from the perspective of the 'we want better endings' group. In that they'll never get what they want by using charity in this manner. It's not a case of everybody wins, in that regard. Because they don't win.
Then you're into a complex scenario where you ask, well do you want them to win? If they win, the donations stop and Child's Play gets less than it might have. On the flipside, if BioWare outright say that no ending DLC is ever coming, then the donations also stop, because there's no longer any chance of getting what they want, and thus no need for publicity for the movement.
So, now that Child's Play has been made some kind of good-will escrow, the ideal scenario for Child's Play is that it is never resolved. That donations keep going forever in the hope that there will be an answer. And you also will end up with a mess afterward where some idiots (who actually do exist) will say 'why should I pay for DLC when I already gave my 10 bucks to Child's Play?'. It's just a messy situation and I'd rather Child's Play, as a mechanism, only had good feelings surrounding it, rather than any element of greed or dissatisfaction.
What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
Perfect world I'd prefer them to make an unflawed ending and build the future games off of that
I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if that's not what happens and I'll still buy future mass effect games regardless
but yeah
but I want to see a world where the relays are destroyed, where life is a techno-organic melding, where everything has changed. I want to see how it changed. If they retcon the ending to "and Shepard beat the reapers BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY" those stories can't be told.
What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
Perfect world I'd prefer them to make an unflawed ending and build the future games off of that
I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if that's not what happens and I'll still buy future mass effect games regardless
but yeah
but I want to see a world where the relays are destroyed, where life is a techno-organic melding, where everything has changed. I want to see how it changed. If they retcon the ending to "and Shepard beat the reapers BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY" those stories can't be told.
Set it far enough after the original trilogy and it'd be hard to tell it's even part of the same setting
You know except for the giant screaming "this game is also made by BioWare" hint
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I love fan interpretations like the indoctrination thing, it's a neat bit of headcanon
but as for actually setting it forth as the actual truth,
well
if you think the catalyst is lying to you then why would you trust anything that it says? That could be the power conduit to the Not Killing All Organic Life Forevermore system or something else roughly as ridiculous as what it apparently is
Well essentially,
even if the fan interpretation is wrong, I don't believe what Catalyst says. Or that is to say, I believe him about as much as I believe TIM - some of what he says he believes, even if it's bullshit; some of what he says is outright lies; some of what he says is a mixing of the truth to make the lie stronger.
So shooting bullets into it seems like a good call. Maybe shooting bullets won't do anything, but if that ends up being the case then I can allways call on my bro Hackett to bring in bigger guns.
The Catalyst is in fact the least trustworthy source possible in this series. Literally the leader of the Reapers. If it was Harby talking to you, everyone would shoot him immediately.
As for why he even bothers to bring you up, the only reason I can think of is to activate the Synthesis ending which seems like a good thing from his viewpoint. But why not just do that himself? Why offer any choice to you?
(ending stuff)
I was going to say that they needed a human to jump into the beam to make systhesis possible, that they can't do it themselves, but then I remembered they've been porting bodies up to the citadel so they've got plenty of them around.
Perhaps they need a living human, but they could have used TIM who they had control of.
I gues Shepard really is the "for reals" Catalyst, and she's the only one that synthesis would really work with because of being Space Jesus.
I guess Shep being a cyborg would help there a lot, actually
but then there's still that big flaw that not only is Synthesis sometimes not offered, but Destroy is the only choice. doesn't seem to be a way around that.
Well in the end
It's weird for Catalyst to give you a choice at all, just taking everything at face value. Is Catalyst just saying, "I'm tired of driving this car, you take the damn keys and welcome to it."? But then why do war assets affect it at all?
The way the endings break down doesn't make a bunch of sense no matter what interpretation you make.
Though I had posited earlier that a lot of war assets go towards building the crucible (save the Quarians, get the scientific mind of Admiral Xen. Save the Rachni and get their help constructing it. Things like that). So taking the ending at face value, the fewer choices are that way because the crucible is more crude than it would have been with more resources.
Still think Catalyst is a liar or insane, and still going to be choosing destroy every time. Sorry EDI and the Geth, I love you but there are bigger concerns here.
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
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Fawkes' justification at the end of Fallout 3 was complete garbage
I mean, if Fawkes did what the player character has to do then it would definitely help the rest of the Capitol Wasteland take note that the mutants and ghouls aren't just monsters
Fawkes' justification at the end of Fallout 3 was complete garbage
I mean, if Fawkes did what the player character has to do then it would definitely help the rest of the Capitol Wasteland take note that the mutants and ghouls aren't just monsters
oh gosh I could go in there but it's probably gonna sting a little
I'll just sucker this asshole with some destiny bullshit
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Fawkes' justification at the end of Fallout 3 was complete garbage
I mean, if Fawkes did what the player character has to do then it would definitely help the rest of the Capitol Wasteland take note that the mutants and ghouls aren't just monsters
with Broken Steel he does a complete 180, just like "OH YEAH, I FORGOT I'm totally okay with radiation, haha silly me"
it's just so painfully obvious that they wanted to have you make a Big Deal Sacrifice.
They should have just left the followers outside of Project Purity, really, so the choice never really comes up.
What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
Perfect world I'd prefer them to make an unflawed ending and build the future games off of that
I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if that's not what happens and I'll still buy future mass effect games regardless
but yeah
but I want to see a world where the relays are destroyed, where life is a techno-organic melding, where everything has changed. I want to see how it changed. If they retcon the ending to "and Shepard beat the reapers BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY" those stories can't be told.
Yeah, me too. The
middle ending has immense ramifications. Are the people networked now? Is the jump in intelligence comparable to geth -> altered geht or even higher? Are the reapers (they didn't get destroyed in my ending, they just turned green and flew away) now ... allied? What the hell happened? I wish middle one was canon. And ME-4 took place in a mixed organic/synthetic universe
sick kids are getting money, doesn't matter why or exactly how much
Yeah you're right. It's just, I really like Child's Play as a charity. It's so simple and such a refreshingly nice thing to have. In many ways, it redeems the more unsavoury aspects of the gaming community. It's been hailed as doing just that on many occasions. Now it's mired in the shit that is this pathetic ending debacle and I dunno, it's annoying that the same old video gamer nonsense is bringing it down in this way. It's not a charity for these idiots, it's a tool to gain publicity for their own selfish desires.
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What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
Perfect world I'd prefer them to make an unflawed ending and build the future games off of that
I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if that's not what happens and I'll still buy future mass effect games regardless
but yeah
but I want to see a world where the relays are destroyed, where life is a techno-organic melding, where everything has changed. I want to see how it changed. If they retcon the ending to "and Shepard beat the reapers BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY" those stories can't be told.
Yeah, me too. The
middle ending has immense ramifications. Are the people networked now? Is the jump in intelligence comparable to geth -> altered geht or even higher? Are the reapers (they didn't get destroyed in my ending, they just turned green and flew away) now ... allied? What the hell happened? I wish middle one was canon. And ME-4 took place in a mixed organic/synthetic universe
organics taste funny to reapers and have a passable wi-fi connection in their brain
What about those of us who are okay with the ending, acknowledge its flaws, and want future mass effect games to build off it rather than have it completely changed
What of us?!
Perfect world I'd prefer them to make an unflawed ending and build the future games off of that
I'm not gonna throw a tantrum if that's not what happens and I'll still buy future mass effect games regardless
but yeah
but I want to see a world where the relays are destroyed, where life is a techno-organic melding, where everything has changed. I want to see how it changed. If they retcon the ending to "and Shepard beat the reapers BIG AMERICAN DANCE PARTY" those stories can't be told.
I think you could have an ending where all of that still happens without it being stupid
sick kids are getting money, doesn't matter why or exactly how much
Yeah you're right. It's just, I really like Child's Play as a charity. It's so simple and such a refreshingly nice thing to have. In many ways, it redeems the more unsavoury aspects of the gaming community. It's been hailed as doing just that on many occasions. Now it's mired in the shit that is this pathetic ending debacle and I dunno, it's annoying that the same old video gamer nonsense is bringing it down in this way. It's not a charity for these idiots, it's a tool to gain publicity for their own selfish desires.
so it's what regular charities are for rich and famous people
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Fawkes' justification at the end of Fallout 3 was complete garbage
I mean, if Fawkes did what the player character has to do then it would definitely help the rest of the Capitol Wasteland take note that the mutants and ghouls aren't just monsters
oh gosh I could go in there but it's probably gonna sting a little
I'll just sucker this asshole with some destiny bullshit
The feeling that you have outsmarted the ending is a terrible feeling
I think that's part of the reason why ME3's ending fails too
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Fuck the geth. Just got to the first mission where I'm fighting them, and they are giving me more trouble than anything else so far. My shields appear to have been reduced to wet tissue paper because a geth looks at me funny and they disappear.
Fuck the geth. Just got to the first mission where I'm fighting them, and they are giving me more trouble than anything else so far. My shields appear to have been reduced to wet tissue paper because a geth looks at me funny and they disappear.
Take tali and edi. Geth shields are useless, and you can control the more annoying ones (rocket geth especially)
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Charon's reply was much better, it was just like "Nope, fuck you get out of here"
No that's exactly my point. It's a good thing, obviously. So if I was BioWare, I'd never give these people what they want, because then Child's Play would keep getting money.
I mean it's a bad thing from the perspective of the 'we want better endings' group. In that they'll never get what they want by using charity in this manner. It's not a case of everybody wins, in that regard. Because they don't win.
Then you're into a complex scenario where you ask, well do you want them to win? If they win, the donations stop and Child's Play gets less than it might have. On the flipside, if BioWare outright say that no ending DLC is ever coming, then the donations also stop, because there's no longer any chance of getting what they want, and thus no need for publicity for the movement.
So, now that Child's Play has been made some kind of good-will escrow, the ideal scenario for Child's Play is that it is never resolved. That donations keep going forever in the hope that there will be an answer. And you also will end up with a mess afterward where some idiots (who actually do exist) will say 'why should I pay for DLC when I already gave my 10 bucks to Child's Play?'. It's just a messy situation and I'd rather Child's Play, as a mechanism, only had good feelings surrounding it, rather than any element of greed or dissatisfaction.
sick kids are getting money, doesn't matter why or exactly how much
You know except for the giant screaming "this game is also made by BioWare" hint
Also regarding this
Well in the end
The way the endings break down doesn't make a bunch of sense no matter what interpretation you make.
Though I had posited earlier that a lot of war assets go towards building the crucible (save the Quarians, get the scientific mind of Admiral Xen. Save the Rachni and get their help constructing it. Things like that). So taking the ending at face value, the fewer choices are that way because the crucible is more crude than it would have been with more resources.
Still think Catalyst is a liar or insane, and still going to be choosing destroy every time. Sorry EDI and the Geth, I love you but there are bigger concerns here.
wash over you and make everything okay
oh gosh I could go in there but it's probably gonna sting a little
I'll just sucker this asshole with some destiny bullshit
it's just so painfully obvious that they wanted to have you make a Big Deal Sacrifice.
They should have just left the followers outside of Project Purity, really, so the choice never really comes up.
Re: ending
Yeah you're right. It's just, I really like Child's Play as a charity. It's so simple and such a refreshingly nice thing to have. In many ways, it redeems the more unsavoury aspects of the gaming community. It's been hailed as doing just that on many occasions. Now it's mired in the shit that is this pathetic ending debacle and I dunno, it's annoying that the same old video gamer nonsense is bringing it down in this way. It's not a charity for these idiots, it's a tool to gain publicity for their own selfish desires.
Yeah it ain't gonna kill you but man that's a pain in the butt
So you send in the guy who is deathly allergic to water
http://www.audioentropy.com/
so it's what regular charities are for rich and famous people
The feeling that you have outsmarted the ending is a terrible feeling
I think that's part of the reason why ME3's ending fails too
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I don't know what you're talking about (I haven't played the game in question), but this is the most hilarious thing ever.
he's actually pure fucking evil so I am darkly eager to see what havok he wreaks on the galaxy as well as those closest to him
he'll probably end up having a higher war readiness score than my vanguard is the really funny thing
Someone talking about EA
Calling them REApers
I never even got that conversation. It kind of blows since it seems important.
Not to mention its just worse based on the events that happen themselves
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/sorry-about-that-miranda/4032/
Just to be an ass
No, it just feels worse
Fallout 3's ending is drastically more awful
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Not even that
Radiation is good for Fawkes
It's less sending him in to have a band-aid ripped off and more sending him into a room full of delicious pizza
just
ho dee hum di ho
Their target prioritisation is a bit crap at times. All ignoring the guy who's flanked you in favour of... well, ho dee hum di ho