What? Mine is okay I hope! I can change the OP if people want. I figured I'd just leave it alone and let you guys end up talking about bread or whatever.
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What? Mine is okay I hope! I can change the OP if people want. I figured I'd just leave it alone and let you guys end up talking about bread or whatever.
What? Mine is okay I hope! I can change the OP if people want. I figured I'd just leave it alone and let you guys end up talking about bread or whatever.
It's not the quality of OP, liiya, it's the quality of the discussion
Now, about that bread
Well it's one guy who expected a YA novel told in 1st person of a 17 year-old to be an economic treatise on the functioning of Panem or something.
I wrote a long-ass post comparing The Hunger Games and Battle Royale (the books, not the movies!) that was completely ignored, so that's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back :P.
It's not the quality of OP, liiya, it's the quality of the discussion
Now, about that bread
Well it's one guy who expected a YA novel told in 1st person of a 17 year-old to be an economic treatise on the functioning of Panem or something.
I wrote a long-ass post comparing The Hunger Games and Battle Royale (the books, not the movies!) that was completely ignored, so that's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back :P.
Well I'm certain it was a very good post! That sucks no one read it.
Fuck it, I'm going to cross-post my BR vs. THG comparison because I slogged through BR and want someone to talk to me about it, damnit.
So I just read the English translation of Battle Royale. I have previously read The Hunger Games trilogy, but I haven't seen the movies for either.
The rest of this post contains real-ass SPOILERS for both BR and THG trilogy.
Similarities:
1. Teens fighting (duh)
2. "Injury may be infected, oh god need medicine" subplot
3. Forbidden zones (BR) vs. the clock arena in THG2. Not exactly the same, but they serve the same narrative and stated purposes.
4. Psychopaths who dominate the game until climactic fight with the heroes (I can see this flowing from 1 if you come up with it independently, though)
5. Multiple survivors (I hesitate to say "winners" for obvious reasons)
6. Gaming the system via technical means to escape
7. The point of the exercise. Both are used to cow the population into a sense of fear/hopelessness.
Differences:
1. Cultural flavor. To be expected with Japanese vs. American authorship/setting/etc
2. BR is much more explicit in its anti-authoritarian message than THG1. THG's messaging in this regard doesn't really kick off until the Reaping in Book 2.
3. BR deals far, far more with teenage relationships than any part of THG. If this is what you don't like in THG, then you should really hate BR.
4. Shuya develops real feelings for Noriko over the course of the Program. Katniss (as has been discussed) doesn't harbor any serious feelings for Peeta until much later (or, arguably, ever). Honestly, showing girls that they don't have to derive their self-worth or image from a SO is probably the most important part of THG.
5. The Programs in BR are held in secret and the winner is announced in a quick thing on the news afterwards. THG are a super reality show spectacle - considering this is one of the main things the book is railing against, I'd say this is an important detail.
6. There are lot of differences in the details (number of contestants, means of selection, how often they are held, etc).
Overall, I used to be kind of ambivalent about the whole "Hunger Games is just a Battle Royale rip-off" as just an Internet being Internet thing. Now that I've read Battle Royale, though, it is really, really difficult to believe that it was absolutely no influence on or inspiration to The Hunger Games. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, however, and there are enough differences to where writing off THG as a direct rip-off of BR for the US YA audience is being far too reductive.
I honestly think The Hunger Games is a more enjoyable read because it is a bit more focused, though this may just be because I am not used to the Japanese writing style of Battle Royale. I also think THG would be much easier to adapt to film, as it is not nearly as dense as BR - the BR novel describing just the one Program is about as long as the first two Hunger Games books combined.
But comparing hunger games to battle royale is for dummies and what exactly are you trying to prove? Like knowing that is gonna make me like hunger games less? Whooooooo caaaaaares
This is coming from a dude that has read the battle royale book, the whole manga series, and bought a shite copy way back in 2001, and even watched the wretched sequel. So yep
But comparing hunger games to battle royale is for dummies and what exactly are you trying to prove? Like knowing that is gonna make me like hunger games less? Whooooooo caaaaaares
Nope. I like The Hunger Games more. Not trying to prove anything, just want to talk about it beyond "hur dur kids killing each other" because there are other similarities and important differences.
This is coming from a dude that has read the battle royale book, the whole manga series, and bought a shite copy way back in 2001, and even watched the wretched sequel. So yep
Oh yah, that wasn't specifically about you, more te people who are all hurr durr battle royale is superior and how dare they rip it off and oh you don't know about this cult movie :smugface: your post is pretty baller!
So its not like they're carbon copies, though they are similar themes. Is Battle Royal worth a read, anyway?
I think it's worth a read, yeah. The translation is actually pretty good (in most places - there are some errors, but it is still clear what was meant), and it's a pretty good "action book", if that's a thing.
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It was like, a hogwarts internet game or something.
which is actually a pretty cool concept, if they just do it like Echo Bazaar
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What? Mine is okay I hope! I can change the OP if people want. I figured I'd just leave it alone and let you guys end up talking about bread or whatever.
nono, @Liiya , the Debate and/or Discourse thread
Hm I've not really looked at theirs!
For a second, I thought that said Ralph Wiggum.
It was a much more entertaining debate.
Why I fear the ocean.
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Now, about that bread
You have encapsulated it exactly
edit: yeah I like bread too, FirmSkater!
Nah, it's Battle Royale for non-japanophiles.
Worst bread: white bread
Well it's one guy who expected a YA novel told in 1st person of a 17 year-old to be an economic treatise on the functioning of Panem or something.
I wrote a long-ass post comparing The Hunger Games and Battle Royale (the books, not the movies!) that was completely ignored, so that's 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back :P.
Apparently if you were even remotely surprised that Rue was black, you're a horrible racist.
Coran Attack!
I didn't realize it was opposite day, lostwords
Coran Attack!
Forgot about that. Yeah that guy, too. Apparently missing one line of exposition makes me a racist now. Good to know!
But really white bread is just so bland and unhealthy and blah.
Well I'm certain it was a very good post! That sucks no one read it.
So I just read the English translation of Battle Royale. I have previously read The Hunger Games trilogy, but I haven't seen the movies for either.
The rest of this post contains real-ass SPOILERS for both BR and THG trilogy.
Similarities:
2. "Injury may be infected, oh god need medicine" subplot
3. Forbidden zones (BR) vs. the clock arena in THG2. Not exactly the same, but they serve the same narrative and stated purposes.
4. Psychopaths who dominate the game until climactic fight with the heroes (I can see this flowing from 1 if you come up with it independently, though)
5. Multiple survivors (I hesitate to say "winners" for obvious reasons)
6. Gaming the system via technical means to escape
7. The point of the exercise. Both are used to cow the population into a sense of fear/hopelessness.
Differences:
2. BR is much more explicit in its anti-authoritarian message than THG1. THG's messaging in this regard doesn't really kick off until the Reaping in Book 2.
3. BR deals far, far more with teenage relationships than any part of THG. If this is what you don't like in THG, then you should really hate BR.
4. Shuya develops real feelings for Noriko over the course of the Program. Katniss (as has been discussed) doesn't harbor any serious feelings for Peeta until much later (or, arguably, ever). Honestly, showing girls that they don't have to derive their self-worth or image from a SO is probably the most important part of THG.
5. The Programs in BR are held in secret and the winner is announced in a quick thing on the news afterwards. THG are a super reality show spectacle - considering this is one of the main things the book is railing against, I'd say this is an important detail.
6. There are lot of differences in the details (number of contestants, means of selection, how often they are held, etc).
Overall, I used to be kind of ambivalent about the whole "Hunger Games is just a Battle Royale rip-off" as just an Internet being Internet thing. Now that I've read Battle Royale, though, it is really, really difficult to believe that it was absolutely no influence on or inspiration to The Hunger Games. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, however, and there are enough differences to where writing off THG as a direct rip-off of BR for the US YA audience is being far too reductive.
I honestly think The Hunger Games is a more enjoyable read because it is a bit more focused, though this may just be because I am not used to the Japanese writing style of Battle Royale. I also think THG would be much easier to adapt to film, as it is not nearly as dense as BR - the BR novel describing just the one Program is about as long as the first two Hunger Games books combined.
Nope. I like The Hunger Games more. Not trying to prove anything, just want to talk about it beyond "hur dur kids killing each other" because there are other similarities and important differences.
Jesus. I'm so sorry.
And iced finger buns. Look don't judge me they put them right next to the bread
I think it's worth a read, yeah. The translation is actually pretty good (in most places - there are some errors, but it is still clear what was meant), and it's a pretty good "action book", if that's a thing.