I didn't mind the twist ending in Source Code, I just didn't like how
he inhabits the body of the girl's husband forever now. That's creepy. How is he going to go on living that life now? What the fuuuuuck.
That goes into Fridge Horror territory. For all we know the husband's virtually "dead" with Jake Gyllenhaal possessing his body now. :shock:
That's precisely what happened. I mean I suppose in a way it's not too bad:
The guy was dead either way, because it's not like Gyllenhaal could "jump out" of the body, so I suppose living on is better than nothing, but it is super weird/creepy that either the girl is never going to know that her friend turned into a different person, or at some point Gyllenhaal is going to have to sit her down and say "hey remember that day on the train, actually I became a different person that day so the old guy you knew is basically gone."
I enjoyed Source Code, and I didn't have much of a problem with the ending (although I can see why people would feel otherwise). What annoyed me about the movie was how much better it could've been.
There are things it only vaguely or tangentially touched on that it really could've explored in more detail. Disabled soldiers coming home from war, disabled soldiers (or perfectly fine soldiers) being exploited by the military, the ethics of wiping his memory and using him the next time a terrorist attack popped up... I didn't mind that we got a sci-fi thriller, but I would totally have loved meditations on the nature of disability and service. I mean, Blade Runner could've just been a sci-fi neo-noir but it took on themes about humanity and memory and so on. Source Code had all the pieces on the board to do that, but it never really got into the meat of it. Not to mention the terrorist MacGuffin could've at least been interesting. I mean, it's not like he made the movie worse, but "weirdo patriot who wants the world to be reborn from the ashes" is just lazy and uninteresting.
Maybe the creators did want to go in that direction but the investors didn't. Avatar did the same thing, only I doubt Cameron had any intention of fleshing out Jake's story beyond
giving him an excuse to become a cat-smurf.
That's a whole 'nother rabbit hole. There are original drafts of Avatar that are actually fucking dark and pretty damn serious. They can be found. Some interesting ideas in them that the official movie would've greatly benefited from. It was about on par with Terminator 2 in terms of overall tone, but I don't think it would've gone over as well.
I didn't mind the twist ending in Source Code, I just didn't like how
he inhabits the body of the girl's husband forever now. That's creepy. How is he going to go on living that life now? What the fuuuuuck.
That goes into Fridge Horror territory. For all we know the husband's virtually "dead" with Jake Gyllenhaal possessing his body now. :shock:
That's precisely what happened. I mean I suppose in a way it's not too bad:
The guy was dead either way, because it's not like Gyllenhaal could "jump out" of the body, so I suppose living on is better than nothing, but it is super weird/creepy that either the girl is never going to know that her friend turned into a different person, or at some point Gyllenhaal is going to have to sit her down and say "hey remember that day on the train, actually I became a different person that day so the old guy you knew is basically gone."
I enjoyed Source Code, and I didn't have much of a problem with the ending (although I can see why people would feel otherwise). What annoyed me about the movie was how much better it could've been.
There are things it only vaguely or tangentially touched on that it really could've explored in more detail. Disabled soldiers coming home from war, disabled soldiers (or perfectly fine soldiers) being exploited by the military, the ethics of wiping his memory and using him the next time a terrorist attack popped up... I didn't mind that we got a sci-fi thriller, but I would totally have loved meditations on the nature of disability and service. I mean, Blade Runner could've just been a sci-fi neo-noir but it took on themes about humanity and memory and so on. Source Code had all the pieces on the board to do that, but it never really got into the meat of it. Not to mention the terrorist MacGuffin could've at least been interesting. I mean, it's not like he made the movie worse, but "weirdo patriot who wants the world to be reborn from the ashes" is just lazy and uninteresting.
Maybe the creators did want to go in that direction but the investors didn't. Avatar did the same thing, only I doubt Cameron had any intention of fleshing out Jake's story beyond
giving him an excuse to become a cat-smurf.
That's a whole 'nother rabbit hole. There are original drafts of Avatar that are actually fucking dark and pretty damn serious. They can be found. Some interesting ideas in them that the official movie would've greatly benefited from. It was about on par with Terminator 2 in terms of overall tone, but I don't think it would've gone over as well.
I haven't watched Source Code because I hear it's "sold but not nearly as good as Moon" and I thought Moon was good but overrated.
"Solid but not nearly as good as Moon" is how everyone describes it because they have the same director, but unless you thought Moon was overrated for a bunch of very specific reasons that would also apply to Source Code, and unless the stuff you thought was "good" in Moon is missing in Source Code such that most people describe it as "not nearly as good" and you would describe it as "not good," then Source Code is worth watching.
To put that in a slightly less confusing way, I don't think people thought Moon was good for the same reasons they thought Source Code was good, so if you don't like Moon as much as other people I'm not sure this has anything to do with how much you'd like Source Code.
Netflix has taught me that I'm a sucker for "mind-bending" movies. Source Code, Inception, The Truman Show, Limitless, I eat them up.
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Just watched Tremors for the first time. I had seen bits and pieces on late-night TV but never all the way through. So much fun! Exactly what I needed. It was a total blast, everything about it was incredibly enjoyable. And the special effects were sweet, once again showing how well-done practical effects are more believable than CGI when done properly.
Are any of the sequels worth watching? I can't imagine they'd be as much fun without Kevin Bacon...
tremors 2 is still awesome in that "oh god this is bad but cant stop watching" way, never saw 3.. i think i almost saw 4.. 4 was the wild west one right?
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Once knew a guy who loved all the Tremors movies.
Then I learned he actually didn't give a shit about anything in life and was actually incapable of being committed to things, and also hated the concept of learning.
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Source Code moral quandary question:
If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I see Scarlett and I'm all :winky: and then I watch the clip and I'm all
Everything about that scene was awful. Not even cheesy awful. The Dialogue sucked, and the choreography was just as bad. But her boobs jiggle, sooo......
If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I think this is part of why I was disappointed with the film - it didn't seem to be aware of this quandary at all. In fact, it ignored most of the interesting mind, 'mainstreaming' most of what was really interesting about the film. The reveal about one third into the film isn't much of a reveal; I'd imagine that it's pretty obvious to anyone who's seen similar films before.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I see Scarlett and I'm all :winky: and then I watch the clip and I'm all
Everything about that scene was awful. Not even cheesy awful. The Dialogue sucked, and the choreography was just as bad. But her boobs jiggle, sooo......
It was very...TVish. That clip would not have looked out of place on Buffy or Firefly.
If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
It's definitely creepy, but that guy is dead without him anyway. That's not a conversation I'd like to have with the girl though, once she figures out something is very wrong.
I haven't watched Source Code because I hear it's "sold but not nearly as good as Moon" and I thought Moon was good but overrated.
To put that in a slightly less confusing way, I don't think people thought Moon was good for the same reasons they thought Source Code was good, so if you don't like Moon as much as other people I'm not sure this has anything to do with how much you'd like Source Code.
Speaking of Moon, what are people's general opinions? I really liked it, but I don't know if it was because it referenced a lot of earlier scifi films or not. It did make me realize how much of it was a "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing, though, even as I watched it.
Like the
robot being a potential threat/non-threat. That kinda quandary only exists because of things like HAL (or even Ash) which have become shorthand instead of something the film actually set up.
I haven't watched Source Code because I hear it's "sold but not nearly as good as Moon" and I thought Moon was good but overrated.
To put that in a slightly less confusing way, I don't think people thought Moon was good for the same reasons they thought Source Code was good, so if you don't like Moon as much as other people I'm not sure this has anything to do with how much you'd like Source Code.
Speaking of Moon, what are people's general opinions? I really liked it, but I don't know if it was because it referenced a lot of earlier scifi films or not. It did make me realize how much of it was a "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing, though, even as I watched it.
Like the
robot being a potential threat/non-threat. That kinda quandary only exists because of things like HAL (or even Ash) which have become shorthand instead of something the film actually set up.
Moon was amazing and I think it was amazing complete apart from its context within a larger genre, but that doesn't matter: even if it were a good movie only because of references, it would still be a good movie. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. It speaks to us in different ways, and if one way it speaks to us is by joining a conversation and elaborating on what has been said, then so be it.
What I liked about Moon was the soundtrack, the amazing visual effects and design, the stupendous acting, and
the examination of personal identity, humanity, and character
and personally the whole
Is the robot evil?
thing I could take or leave: it's not like the movie hung the entire plot on that or tried to mislead us about it or dropped a bunch of hints or anything.
The robot's just acting like a robot and if you want to build a bunch of drama into it because you're expecting it to go crazy or whatever, then that's your deal, but the movie works whether or not you do that.
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If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
It's definitely creepy, but that guy is dead without him anyway. That's not a conversation I'd like to have with the girl though, once she figures out something is very wrong.
Well
taking the guy's body doesn't necessarily mean he has to creepily date this girl.
My only problem with Moon was the very end. The film's interesting when it's about the philosophical issue of "Who am I?" It's much less interesting when it's about the ethics about the corporation, which remains utterly vague to begin with. They should've left the audio chatter at the end away, as far as I'm concerned.
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
Moon was amazing and I think it was amazing complete apart from its context within a larger genre, but that doesn't matter: even if it were a good movie only because of references, it would still be a good movie. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. It speaks to us in different ways, and if one way it speaks to us is by joining a conversation and elaborating on what has been said, then so be it.
What I liked about Moon was the soundtrack, the amazing visual effects and design, the stupendous acting, and
the examination of personal identity, humanity, and character
and personally the whole
Is the robot evil?
thing I could take or leave: it's not like the movie hung the entire plot on that or tried to mislead us about it or dropped a bunch of hints or anything.
The robot's just acting like a robot and if you want to build a bunch of drama into it because you're expecting it to go crazy or whatever, then that's your deal, but the movie works whether or not you do that.
I hope you get that I wasn't putting the film down.
I was just speaking to how it presupposes some genre conventions instead of integrating them more fully.
My only problem with Moon was the very end. The film's interesting when it's about the philosophical issue of "Who am I?" It's much less interesting when it's about the ethics about the corporation, which remains utterly vague to begin with. They should've left the audio chatter at the end away, as far as I'm concerned.
I think Jones felt it necessary to do that, though, because the film had become very much about that, even if by proxy. Like the robot quandary, it's another one of those things that, like "The Company" in Alien, is now ingrained in our scifi consciousness.
After so many films in which future companies are either incompetent or outright malevolent in nature, I think he felt it's an issue that needs to be addressed if you bring up the idea of a corporation with murky motives.
If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
It's definitely creepy, but that guy is dead without him anyway. That's not a conversation I'd like to have with the girl though, once she figures out something is very wrong.
Well
taking the guy's body doesn't necessarily mean he has to creepily date this girl.
In theory, sure. But he's already past that point and it's safe to assume it's going to happen.
I want to know what happens when he has to go to work the next day. Does he even know where to go? Could he even do the job?
I watched a great horror movie the other week called Absentia. It's crazy low budget, the script seems like two movies squished end to end but HOLY FUCK does it ever hit the mark.
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21 Jump Street. Recommended. I am as surprised as you are.
Actually, make that strongly recommended. Worth a full price ticket - no matinee price required to feel good about cost vs. return.
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If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
It's definitely creepy, but that guy is dead without him anyway. That's not a conversation I'd like to have with the girl though, once she figures out something is very wrong.
Yep. I mean, it gets all soap opera, but you could just go, "Sorry, but I'm different person now. We would be living a lie if we stayed together."
Then you'd get on your motorcycle and spend the rest of the season in the wilderness living in a cabin you built with your hands until trouble back in town forces your inevitable return.
Everything about that scene was awful. Not even cheesy awful. The Dialogue sucked, and the choreography was just as bad. But her boobs jiggle, sooo......
If you, like Gyllenhaal, knew that your options were to either:
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
It's definitely creepy, but that guy is dead without him anyway. That's not a conversation I'd like to have with the girl though, once she figures out something is very wrong.
Yep. I mean, it gets all soap opera, but you could just go, "Sorry, but I'm different person now. We would be living a lie if we stayed together."
Then you'd get on your motorcycle and spend the rest of the season in the wilderness living in a cabin you built with your hands until trouble back in town forces your inevitable return.
I was thinking more romantic comedy. You know, with him meeting his own parents - either pair.
Wish Duncan Jones would get Mute written/filmed already, such an interesting concept and he doesnt seem to be doing anything at the moment other than chillin'
Just came back from Iron Sky. That's the movie with the moon nazis if you haven't been paying attention.
Fairly good, with some very funny moments. Its a movie about Moon Nazis, if you expect more I think there is something wrong with you. Special Effects where good for a movie with its budget.
However... in the previews there was a trailer for Battleship and I got to say... No, just no.
Its not going to be more fun then Iron Sky and despite having a special effects budget three times the size of Iron Sky it doesn't look as good. I have already seen one movie with invasions from space and big explosions, why pay to see another. I am not going to spend money to see a Michael Bay knockoff when I have sworn of the man himself.
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The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
The alien/robot/things from Battleship look like the most generic beings of that type imaginable. Also? I don't remember there being aliens in my version of Battleship, but maybe I was just doing it wrong.
The alien/robot/things from Battleship look like the most generic beings of that type imaginable. Also? I don't remember there being aliens in my version of Battleship, but maybe I was just doing it wrong.
There wasn't. The original games were battles between navy fleets (and submarines), that's why adding aliens to the film is so ridiculous. Okay, more ridiculous then it already is.
The alien/robot/things from Battleship look like the most generic beings of that type imaginable. Also? I don't remember there being aliens in my version of Battleship, but maybe I was just doing it wrong.
There wasn't. The original games were battles between navy fleets (and submarines), that's why adding aliens to the film is so ridiculous. Okay, more ridiculous then it already is.
Right. Is there even some sort of tie-in anymore? Or is it just the name and a freed-up "IP" with Hasbro?
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That's a whole 'nother rabbit hole. There are original drafts of Avatar that are actually fucking dark and pretty damn serious. They can be found. Some interesting ideas in them that the official movie would've greatly benefited from. It was about on par with Terminator 2 in terms of overall tone, but I don't think it would've gone over as well.
Dammit. That's an Avatar I'd want to watch.
To put that in a slightly less confusing way, I don't think people thought Moon was good for the same reasons they thought Source Code was good, so if you don't like Moon as much as other people I'm not sure this has anything to do with how much you'd like Source Code.
It was just fun. As opposed to Clash, which left me just irritated.
And Zeus and Hades teaming up, just tearing shit apart. Yes.
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Same here. It's why I'm such a Nolan fanboy.
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Are any of the sequels worth watching? I can't imagine they'd be as much fun without Kevin Bacon...
Then I learned he actually didn't give a shit about anything in life and was actually incapable of being committed to things, and also hated the concept of learning.
We don't talk much these days.
You are, in fact, absolutely correct.
At best, they're just friends.
Yeah I got the impression that they'd met a few times but hadn't dated or anything yet.
- Die in a huge explosion
- Live as a vegetable in an experiment
- Steal a guy's body and awkwardly live out his life
Which do you choose? It's creepy, but I have this thing in me that makes me want to not die, so I'd probably pick Option #3, just as he did.
I see Scarlett and I'm all :winky: and then I watch the clip and I'm all
Everything about that scene was awful. Not even cheesy awful. The Dialogue sucked, and the choreography was just as bad. But her boobs jiggle, sooo......
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
It was very...TVish. That clip would not have looked out of place on Buffy or Firefly.
I'd have to go for #3 too.
Speaking of Moon, what are people's general opinions? I really liked it, but I don't know if it was because it referenced a lot of earlier scifi films or not. It did make me realize how much of it was a "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing, though, even as I watched it.
Like the
Moon was amazing and I think it was amazing complete apart from its context within a larger genre, but that doesn't matter: even if it were a good movie only because of references, it would still be a good movie. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum. It speaks to us in different ways, and if one way it speaks to us is by joining a conversation and elaborating on what has been said, then so be it.
What I liked about Moon was the soundtrack, the amazing visual effects and design, the stupendous acting, and
and personally the whole
thing I could take or leave: it's not like the movie hung the entire plot on that or tried to mislead us about it or dropped a bunch of hints or anything.
Well
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
I hope you get that I wasn't putting the film down.
I was just speaking to how it presupposes some genre conventions instead of integrating them more fully.
I think Jones felt it necessary to do that, though, because the film had become very much about that, even if by proxy. Like the robot quandary, it's another one of those things that, like "The Company" in Alien, is now ingrained in our scifi consciousness.
After so many films in which future companies are either incompetent or outright malevolent in nature, I think he felt it's an issue that needs to be addressed if you bring up the idea of a corporation with murky motives.
Enjoy it. I haven't seen an action movie that well paced for a very long time.
You know that if an action movie has a villain named Mad Dog, that he will be super awesome (c.f. Hard Boiled).
In theory, sure. But he's already past that point and it's safe to assume it's going to happen.
He probably doesn't even know where he lives!
Actually, make that strongly recommended. Worth a full price ticket - no matinee price required to feel good about cost vs. return.
Yep. I mean, it gets all soap opera, but you could just go, "Sorry, but I'm different person now. We would be living a lie if we stayed together."
Then you'd get on your motorcycle and spend the rest of the season in the wilderness living in a cabin you built with your hands until trouble back in town forces your inevitable return.
I was thinking more romantic comedy. You know, with him meeting his own parents - either pair.
Fairly good, with some very funny moments. Its a movie about Moon Nazis, if you expect more I think there is something wrong with you. Special Effects where good for a movie with its budget.
However... in the previews there was a trailer for Battleship and I got to say... No, just no.
Its not going to be more fun then Iron Sky and despite having a special effects budget three times the size of Iron Sky it doesn't look as good. I have already seen one movie with invasions from space and big explosions, why pay to see another. I am not going to spend money to see a Michael Bay knockoff when I have sworn of the man himself.
There wasn't. The original games were battles between navy fleets (and submarines), that's why adding aliens to the film is so ridiculous. Okay, more ridiculous then it already is.
Right. Is there even some sort of tie-in anymore? Or is it just the name and a freed-up "IP" with Hasbro?