@Tube, I heard a lot of people say that the EU sucked but you just gave me a real reason to believe it sucked. Exar Kun is debatable but the thought that the vong and legacy cheapen the original trilogy is something I had never considered and realize now is a truth that assaults my childhood memories.
Thank you.
Is there anything worthwhile in the EU that would make for a good movie.
Exar Kun might be a perfectly adequate character on his own (I mean, he isn't. he's an XXXtreme sith lord with cool long hair and two lightsabers) but the effect that he and every other overpowered character in the EU has on the overall canon is giving the impression that the conflict in the original trilogy was small potatoes. Compared to Darth Bane using a (sigh) force bomb to wipe out an entire planet who the fuck cares about Palpatine? If Anakin is such hot shit, why doesn't he use (sigh) force fold space like Revan apparently can?
Essentially what the EU did was take a story about fun futuristic knight/monks with laser swords and turn it into this awful semi-sci-fi inspired D&D story. Here's some shit that isn't in any of the movies that is inexplicably in the EU
Sith wearing dresses
Force Witches
"Sorcery"
Force users who can teleport, fly, devour planets etc
Vibroblades that can fight on an even keel with lightsabers (so who gives a shit about lightsabers)
Force energy physically manifesting itself as a dark cloud or what the fuck ever
I was ok with the EU until they introduced the Vong. I read the first novel with them in it, said nope out loud, and haven't read a single thing since.
I have read I think two EU novels (unless you count the ROTS novelisation), some shitty one set inbetween TPM and AOTC where Anakin gets a spaceship made of plants or whatever and one about Darth Vader in the immediate aftermath of ROTS which was actually pretty good.
I have read I think two EU novels (unless you count the ROTS novelisation), some shitty one set inbetween TPM and AOTC where Anakin gets a spaceship made of plants or whatever and one about Darth Vader in the immediate aftermath of ROTS which was actually pretty good.
That one with the plant spaceship ended up being used to resolve the Vong stuff. It was dumb.
honestly, I really want movies based off the Lando adventures. Dude followed money into the weirdest part of the fucking galaxy AND NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT
I like how the movies had the death star so the books said well the guy who made the death star made this other superweapon that can blow up suns and it's totally indestructible and has no weaknesses!!
also something about how a lot of the designers on the death star didn't know it was meant to be a superweapon they literally thought it was going to be used in space mining
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
The conflict in the original series was supposed to be about a rebellion that was kinda a big deal but not galaxy shattering
The old with we're stronger because of reasons (it could also just be bullshit or overblown)
The vong were really fucking dumb though
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
@Tube, I heard a lot of people say that the EU sucked but you just gave me a real reason to believe it sucked. Exar Kun is debatable but the thought that the vong and legacy cheapen the original trilogy is something I had never considered and realize now is a truth that assaults my childhood memories.
Thank you.
Is there anything worthwhile in the EU that would make for a good movie.
Pretty much all the novels are fucking garbage
The games and shows are almost universally good though
I could write a tv miniseries adaptation of KOTOR 2 that would blow your mind. I have spent so many hours daydreaming about it.
tell me more
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The best EU stuff is generally the stuff that happens on a small scale and doesn't involve the universe being obliterated.
The Gold Standard is generally Dark Force rising. It followed a simple structure.
Set many years after the original conflict.
Had a villain that was strictly beneath the established cannon in power level.
Used an unexplained phenomenon in the original trilogy to give cause for his power (Clone Wars).
It didn't try to one up anything, the conflict wasn't made out to be bigger than the OT. It was a fringe Rebellion against the new republic, and it only worked because of technology that the author used to explain a major dark point in Star Wars canon.
It was simple. It called back to the OT without exclusively using those characters. It didn't try to be better than the OT in any facet. And it tried to explain something that people actually had questions about.
But yeah, a lot of that other shit? Like the Sunkiller, Exar-Kun and his Super Ghost, and the Emperor's endless parade of clones? I got tired of the EU way before I got tired of the prequels.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
As a kid I liked most of Rogue Squadron, but I'm not even going to pretend that I'm not viewing those through Rose-tinted glasses.
Everyone's a good author when you're in the 6th grade.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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The thing that needs to be kept from the EU is Chewie yelling at a moon while it crushes him
with its force-eating tree sloths and that guy who was just the best strategist everrr but didn't do anything before because the emperor was totally racist and its inexplicably u-doubling cloning technology
So I had to break the news to a best friend the other day, that the EU is officially licensed material, not actually just terrible fanfics scattered across the internet which was his original thought. I think I nearly made him cry.
When I was a dumb grade school kid I only really read the earlier New Jedi Order books and a few silly EU comics as far as post-RotJ stuff went, so I had no idea about half the dumb shit that was going down until you guys mentioned it
Oddly enough all the prequel EU stuff I've ever touched has been pretty solid.
So I had to break the news to a best friend the other day, that the EU is officially licensed material, not actually just terrible fanfics scattered across the internet which was his original thought. I think I nearly made him cry.
I told him about post-Episode I Darth Maul
He had his head in his hands, constantly shaking it back and forth muttering "no no no no no" as I leaned in and whispered
It's canon
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I still love that Darksaber was doomed to failure because of substandard materials, shoddy workmanship, and incompetent management.
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
So I had to break the news to a best friend the other day, that the EU is officially licensed material, not actually just terrible fanfics scattered across the internet which was his original thought. I think I nearly made him cry.
I told him about post-Episode I Darth Maul
He had his head in his hands, constantly shaking it back and forth muttering "no no no no no" as I leaned in and whispered
It's canon
Mecha maul is awesome because it shows how awesome obi wan is and lets uncle Owen do things
also featuring another han solo, but this one has a goatee I think
except Talon Karrde is not really anything like Han Solo
Not everybody involved in the borderline criminal underworld is meant to be a Solo knockoff (though Dash Rendar certainly was, no argument there)
And if I recall, his smuggling was more of a side business to his information brokering
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Rogue Squadron could be a TV serial
Essentially what the EU did was take a story about fun futuristic knight/monks with laser swords and turn it into this awful semi-sci-fi inspired D&D story. Here's some shit that isn't in any of the movies that is inexplicably in the EU
Sith wearing dresses
Force Witches
"Sorcery"
Force users who can teleport, fly, devour planets etc
Vibroblades that can fight on an even keel with lightsabers (so who gives a shit about lightsabers)
Force energy physically manifesting itself as a dark cloud or what the fuck ever
Yes it does.
That scene was like two minutes long and totally plot irrelevant. Move on.
I knew it was terrible for a while before I stopped, I just needed to know how it ended.
That one with the plant spaceship ended up being used to resolve the Vong stuff. It was dumb.
Did it run on sunlight?
also something about how a lot of the designers on the death star didn't know it was meant to be a superweapon they literally thought it was going to be used in space mining
The old with we're stronger because of reasons (it could also just be bullshit or overblown)
The vong were really fucking dumb though
Pretty much all the novels are fucking garbage
The games and shows are almost universally good though
That was a fun game.
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The Gold Standard is generally Dark Force rising. It followed a simple structure.
Set many years after the original conflict.
Had a villain that was strictly beneath the established cannon in power level.
Used an unexplained phenomenon in the original trilogy to give cause for his power (Clone Wars).
It didn't try to one up anything, the conflict wasn't made out to be bigger than the OT. It was a fringe Rebellion against the new republic, and it only worked because of technology that the author used to explain a major dark point in Star Wars canon.
It was simple. It called back to the OT without exclusively using those characters. It didn't try to be better than the OT in any facet. And it tried to explain something that people actually had questions about.
But yeah, a lot of that other shit? Like the Sunkiller, Exar-Kun and his Super Ghost, and the Emperor's endless parade of clones? I got tired of the EU way before I got tired of the prequels.
Everyone's a good author when you're in the 6th grade.
with its force-eating tree sloths and that guy who was just the best strategist everrr but didn't do anything before because the emperor was totally racist and its inexplicably u-doubling cloning technology
Says the guy who has apparently read all of NJO and can complain about it in detail as the worst thing ever.
Oddly enough all the prequel EU stuff I've ever touched has been pretty solid.
I told him about post-Episode I Darth Maul
He had his head in his hands, constantly shaking it back and forth muttering "no no no no no" as I leaned in and whispered
It's canon
Mecha maul is awesome because it shows how awesome obi wan is and lets uncle Owen do things
except Talon Karrde is not really anything like Han Solo
Not everybody involved in the borderline criminal underworld is meant to be a Solo knockoff (though Dash Rendar certainly was, no argument there)
And if I recall, his smuggling was more of a side business to his information brokering
I haven't read a word of NJO. What would that have to do with it anyway?