Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
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If Roberts wants to get out of the merits then he can just rule the pro-Prop 8 people don't have standing (which is itself sort of a ruling on the merits, since it says they've suffered no injury).
I'm not sure whether claiming that they don't have standing actually has merit. Propositions are put into law directly by voters, so wouldn't eliminating the law constitute a harm to the majority of voters who voted for it? Otherwise, no one would ever have standing if a democratically elected leader decided to just ignore the results of an election and remain in power, since by Prop 8 precedent there would be no demonstrable injury.
Whoever actually won the election would have standing. In the case of a proposition, you'd have to demonstrate that people would be harmed by it not going into effect.
Striking down a constitutional law as unconstitutional harms all citizens for the same reason, and we can't determine which it is before the ruling actually happens.
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err...the ruling happened in the district court. The question of standing is whether the pro-Prop 8 people have standing to appeal that ruling.
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
He's a shy overambitious dog-catcher on the wrong side of the law. She's an orphaned psychic mercenary with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
I'm not sure whether claiming that they don't have standing actually has merit. Propositions are put into law directly by voters, so wouldn't eliminating the law constitute a harm to the majority of voters who voted for it? Otherwise, no one would ever have standing if a democratically elected leader decided to just ignore the results of an election and remain in power, since by Prop 8 precedent there would be no demonstrable injury.
It was putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote. The people in this majority, who voted for Proposition 8 were voting on something that would not effect them in any way, shape, form, or fashion. They were voting to be assholes to a minority population in their state out of pure bigotry.
If this is not blatantly obvious to you, then I just don't know what to say.
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
My mother absolutely does but then she's the only person I know who does.
Regarding being an ally, that is how I identify myself. It never really occurred to me to need to add "Straight" in front of it.
... I sometimes also identify myself as "One of the oppressors" (being a tall hetero Caucasian male in his early 30's, I could easily be one based on raw privilege alone, like woah), but that's mainly because it makes one of my best friends (who happens to be a lesbian) laugh.
She'd also often counter that while I wasn't 'a villager' per se, I did live in 'the village' (until recently I'd happened to live on the edge of Toronto's gayborhood), which I thought was a nice way of putting it.
I have many of the same feeling regarding being an "ally" as you do. There's a pair of couples that my wife and I often triple-date with:
- a pair of gay guys, one chinese and one caucasian
- a lesbian couple, one chinese, one first gen polish immigrant
My wife is also chinese. I'm the only straight white dude in the group. It Is a very different experince to be the minority when we go out together. Something WAY more people of my demographic should experience - if you aren't already supportive of equal rights (and other gender issues), it will quickly open your eyes and wake you up.
Regarding being an ally, that is how I identify myself. It never really occurred to me to need to add "Straight" in front of it.
... I sometimes also identify myself as "One of the oppressors" (being a tall hetero Caucasian male in his early 30's, I could easily be one based on raw privilege alone, like woah), but that's mainly because it makes one of my best friends (who happens to be a lesbian) laugh.
She'd also often counter that while I wasn't 'a villager' per se, I did live in 'the village' (until recently I'd happened to live on the edge of Toronto's gayborhood), which I thought was a nice way of putting it.
I have many of the same feeling regarding being an "ally" as you do. There's a pair of couples that my wife and I often triple-date with:
- a pair of gay guys, one chinese and one caucasian
- a lesbian couple, one chinese, one first gen polish immigrant
My wife is also chinese. I'm the only straight white dude in the group. It Is a very different experince to be the minority when we go out together. Something WAY more people of my demographic should experience - if you aren't already supportive of equal rights (and other gender issues), it will quickly open your eyes and wake you up.
I had a similar experience visiting Hong Kong. First time was with a Battle Group so a decent chunk of people were still American whenever I was strolling about town (wanna say about 20000 or so).
Second time was just my sub tender, crew of only 3000.
Basically it felt less like a trip to Chinatown the second time and more like being in a foreign country.
It's easy to be pissed at the guy who put you in chains if you forget that most dudes would have put you in the guillotine.
Its politically not a bad idea either. I'm sure theres plenty of Democratic legislators still around that have a yay vote on DOMA or voiced public support in the past and this is a way of saying that all can be forgiven if you turn around and support equality now.
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Yeah, I'm not pissed that the award went to Bill, I'm pissed that the first ever award didn't go to Obama. He'll still likely receive the award at some point, but he should have been the first recipient.
Yeah, I'm not pissed that the award went to Bill, I'm pissed that the first ever award didn't go to Obama. He'll still likely receive the award at some point, but he should have been the first recipient.
The French Senate took its first look at President Hollande's gay marriage bill. The debate is due to conclude in 9 days, and the bill is expected to pass.
The French Senate took its first look at President Hollande's gay marriage bill. The debate is due to conclude in 9 days, and the bill is expected to pass.
That's good. France is sort of weird; they had that big protest against gay marriage in Paris recently, and the anti-gay sentiment over there doesn't seem to be motivated by religion from what I can tell.
They are kinda religious in France (it's a majority Catholic country). Arguments are that Hollande is focusing on legalizing gay marriage while unemployment there is at its highest in 13 years, amidst other worries the people have about the country and jobs etc, which is what at least a few big protests have been about, if not that Paris protest as well. And a poll released today said 53% of the country are fine with gay marriage being legalized, but only 41% support gay couples adopting.
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
My mother absolutely does but then she's the only person I know who does.
Some of the anti-gay marriage advocates (the "Family Research Council") have this as their explicit goal. Direct quote:
It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.
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Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
My mother absolutely does but then she's the only person I know who does.
Some of the anti-gay marriage advocates (the "Family Research Council") have this as their explicit goal. Direct quote:
It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.
Yes most of them absolutely tore the prop 8 guy to pieces and then were like "naw, we don't want to be known for this so we'll pass."
So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
My mother absolutely does but then she's the only person I know who does.
Some of the anti-gay marriage advocates (the "Family Research Council") have this as their explicit goal. Direct quote:
It’s not the contraception, everybody thinks it’s about contraception, but what this court case said was young people have the right to engage in sex outside of marriage. Society never gave young people that right, functioning societies don’t do that, they stop it, they punish it, they corral people, they shame people, they do whatever. The institution for the expression of sexuality is marriage and all societies always shepherded young people there, what the Supreme Court said was forget that shepherding, you can’t block that, that’s not to be done.
They also lobby for restrictions on abortion, divorce and pornogaphy...pretty much a recipe for Armageddon through domestic violence. All we really need to do to solve this is get them laid; hookers are like fundie kryptonite.
Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion.
Wasn't there mention that some people of Arizona want to secede? Not from the Union, just, y'know, from Arizona.
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So we won't be getting ruling that banning same sex marriage is unconstitutional. But at least California will get it back again.
I can't help but feel pretty let down after they way they laid into him.
I think it'll come down to the fact that gays entering into straight marriage is possible, even if completely impractical. Text before reality and all that. Contrast with DOMA, on which the solicitor general ran out of ideas for.
I thought that was Roberts because he wanted a reason why he should just wait.
People can marry within their own race and religion as well. Doesn't mean they should only be allowed to do so. I see no difference between barring marriage based on the partners' genders and the anti-miscegenation laws. They are all discriminatory.
- John Stuart Mill
It's pretty simple, sex of any kind is sinful, the only reason sex is okay is because of procreation and you better damn well procreate with who your father says so therefor it better only be in a marriage he approves of. You know, Christians a thousand years ago taking Greek philosophy and twisting it all up wrong, like always.
I'll be honest, as a longtime Republican, I've never actually met anyone who holds that kind of belief, even among the born again religious right I know. It's like meat on Fridays; only the fundiest of the fundies actually go there. Most just mutter on about the OT definition of marriage (always a hoot after you've pointed out that 'marriage' has a Latin root, not Hebrew).
- John Stuart Mill
It was putting the rights of a minority up to a majority vote. The people in this majority, who voted for Proposition 8 were voting on something that would not effect them in any way, shape, form, or fashion. They were voting to be assholes to a minority population in their state out of pure bigotry.
If this is not blatantly obvious to you, then I just don't know what to say.
My mother absolutely does but then she's the only person I know who does.
I have many of the same feeling regarding being an "ally" as you do. There's a pair of couples that my wife and I often triple-date with:
- a pair of gay guys, one chinese and one caucasian
- a lesbian couple, one chinese, one first gen polish immigrant
My wife is also chinese. I'm the only straight white dude in the group. It Is a very different experince to be the minority when we go out together. Something WAY more people of my demographic should experience - if you aren't already supportive of equal rights (and other gender issues), it will quickly open your eyes and wake you up.
Mmmmm....toasty.
My friend Jay is so pissed about that.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I had a similar experience visiting Hong Kong. First time was with a Battle Group so a decent chunk of people were still American whenever I was strolling about town (wanna say about 20000 or so).
Second time was just my sub tender, crew of only 3000.
Basically it felt less like a trip to Chinatown the second time and more like being in a foreign country.
It's easy to be pissed at the guy who put you in chains if you forget that most dudes would have put you in the guillotine.
Its politically not a bad idea either. I'm sure theres plenty of Democratic legislators still around that have a yay vote on DOMA or voiced public support in the past and this is a way of saying that all can be forgiven if you turn around and support equality now.
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Next year it's Scalia's for sure.
Or Biden.
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That's good. France is sort of weird; they had that big protest against gay marriage in Paris recently, and the anti-gay sentiment over there doesn't seem to be motivated by religion from what I can tell.
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Some of the anti-gay marriage advocates (the "Family Research Council") have this as their explicit goal. Direct quote:
That's some scurry shit right there.
I only read tens of thousands.
In fact, I read different numbers depending on the article as I recall.
They also lobby for restrictions on abortion, divorce and pornogaphy...pretty much a recipe for Armageddon through domestic violence. All we really need to do to solve this is get them laid; hookers are like fundie kryptonite.
- John Stuart Mill
I was wondering how long that would take.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.