My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Ha, that's about what I will make as an engineer here in Denmark. And about 50% of that is going straight to taxes. And they want more than that, in a country that has a lower cost of living, without any experience?
That's what I got coming out of school 6 years ago, in US/Georgia. There are plenty of STEM BS programs where $60k is a low amount in 2015.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Ha, that's about what I will make as an engineer here in Denmark. And about 50% of that is going straight to taxes. And they want more than that, in a country that has a lower cost of living, without any experience?
60K can go a long way depending where you live in the states, and similarly not far at all if you live in the more expensive places
That being said, if I was a fresh college grad I would have clawed my way over that entire class to start at 60K. Those folks are in for a world of hurt when they graduate it sounds like
Yeah, I wasn't in STEM (biz major here), but I was overjoyed to get high 30's after being unemployed for 6 months. Seeing our recruiting now, it can be downright brutal.
That's actually not far from what entry level jobs out of college should be providing, if wages hadn't been mostly stagnating for nearly two decades, so they're not entirely wrong. When I was in late high school, everything I heard and talked to my counselors advisors about, high five/low six figure salaries were all but guaranteed.
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
My mom has been a paralegal for twenty years and she STILL doesn't make anywhere close to 60k
shit at this point I would have to actually, genuinely consider sexual favors in return for a $40k/yr job, and that's with a 2-yr and 3+ years experience, and in IT
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Wait...everyone said no...?
Well I started nodding and then I looked around and people were vehemently shaking their heads and saying "hell no" lol.
What's your major builderr0r?
I'm a computer science major interested in web development, which pays ~40-70k for entry level. The class I'm in is an elective though, so there are a bunch of different majors. I think I'm the only computer science major here.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
I've got a friend who's about to graduate as a software engineer and he was talking about a place offering a $50k entry level position and how low of an offer it was and it was really bugging me. Like, I get that average wages in that field are higher than that and all, but I make significantly less than that, several years out of school, so it's kind of hard for me to sympathize there.
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Librarian's ghostLibrarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSporkRegistered Userregular
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No fire. No one pulled it either. It just went off for no reason.
I don't mind people in computer careers complaining about wanting relatively higher wages when you consider that most of the time you need certifications to get ahead and get the job, and on top of that a lot technology changes so re-certs and retraining and staying up to speed can be a constant, pricey vigil.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Wait...everyone said no...?
Well I started nodding and then I looked around and people were vehemently shaking their heads and saying "hell no" lol.
I'm a STEM major and $60k would allow me to live comfortably, so I wouldn't complain. Especially for my first "real" job.
What sort of STEM are we talking about here?
Like in Life Sciences that sort of money would be super fantastic whilst some engineering disciplines it'd be on the high side of reasonable. Heck its roughly what I'm making now with over half a decades experience my STEM field.
Course with those sorts of expectations those kids either are a) in a field with that sort of pay or b) have connections that'll land those sorts of pay.
It also depends on region, as even train conductors make 80k+ in the bay area (and you need that to pay rents there), whereas the pay scales down pretty precipitously as you go more rural or non-traditional IT regions.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Wait...everyone said no...?
Well I started nodding and then I looked around and people were vehemently shaking their heads and saying "hell no" lol.
I'm a STEM major and $60k would allow me to live comfortably, so I wouldn't complain. Especially for my first "real" job.
My only concern would be to be sure the company isn't just shortchanging the employee because it's "entry level". Sometimes a company has less than competitive wages but makes up for it in benefits or general working conditions, or an aggressive promotion track. But other times they just pay less because they can, and that might belie a lack of respect for their employese.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Wait...everyone said no...?
Well I started nodding and then I looked around and people were vehemently shaking their heads and saying "hell no" lol.
What's your major builderr0r?
I'm a computer science major interested in web development, which pays ~40-70k for entry level. The class I'm in is an elective though, so there are a bunch of different majors. I think I'm the only computer science major here.
My professor just asked my class if we would be happy making $60,000 a year at an entry level job after graduation. Everyone said no...
These kids must come from rich families. :P
Ha, that's about what I will make as an engineer here in Denmark. And about 50% of that is going straight to taxes. And they want more than that, in a country that has a lower cost of living, without any experience?
15 years ago, first year heavy plant technician apprentices were getting hired on at Argyle Diamond to work 4 weeks on, 1 week off at their mines for that kind of money. Those guys would easily be making a quarter of a million dollars/annum on 2&1 swings these days, just maintaining plant equipment in diamond mines. Some jobs you just walk into a pile of cash that slowly becomes a mountain of cash if you keep at it.
No fire. No one pulled it either. It just went off for no reason.
Yay!
This is our sign of Spring arriving. Every year in March, the sprinklers down in the basement garage get screwy thanks to the warming temperatures, and go off. It's always happened on a beautiful day so far.
Oh man that's way less deductions, especially since a good chunk of that is insurance. Here, insurance and other work "benefits" have their own premiums that are taken out separately (a much smaller percentage, granted).
Yeah I'm on £22.5k a year and my take home is around £1,450 a month. I was on a minimum wage internship last year (loved it to bits, best employment decision I've ever made) so this amount of money is kind of weird, especially as living at home means I get to save most of it.
That's not insurance like health insurance, that's what goes towards state pensions and job seekers allowance and stuff.
Ohh, gotcha. Yeah, pretty sure that's part of our general tax breakdown, too, although I think that stuff varies pretty significantly from state to state (our tax codes are really confusing if you haven't lived in one place your whole life).
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Alright, so I didn't pass the test, but it's actually for a dumb reason and I don't really mind it.
I was supposed to take two tests today, the first being one of those lame "personality" tests that ask you questions like, "IS STEALING EVERY OK Y/N?" After that I was going to take a test about basic electronics (ohm's law, using a multimeter, that sort of thing). It was the electronics test I was worried about. But I didn't get that test because I failed the personality test! I had to think about it to figure out why. The reason was that on the "perfect salesperson" questions, I answered honestly. Questions like, "can you talk anyone into anything?" and "do you make friends easily?" Basically my company wants everyone to be a salesman, so answering no on those kinds of questions is what killed me. At least I know now, and the next time I take one of those exams, maybe for a job I actually want, I'll know how to answer.
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Alright, so I didn't pass the test, but it's actually for a dumb reason and I don't really mind it.
I was supposed to take two tests today, the first being one of those lame "personality" tests that ask you questions like, "IS STEALING EVERY OK Y/N?" After that I was going to take a test about basic electronics (ohm's law, using a multimeter, that sort of thing). It was the electronics test I was worried about. But I didn't get that test because I failed the personality test! I had to think about it to figure out why. The reason was that on the "perfect salesperson" questions, I answered honestly. Questions like, "can you talk anyone into anything?" and "do you make friends easily?" Basically my company wants everyone to be a salesman, so answering no on those kinds of questions is what killed me. At least I know now, and the next time I take one of those exams, maybe for a job I actually want, I'll know how to answer.
I love how we've developed a culture of lying on personality tests for hiring, which means they are completely pointless.
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That's what I got coming out of school 6 years ago, in US/Georgia. There are plenty of STEM BS programs where $60k is a low amount in 2015.
60K can go a long way depending where you live in the states, and similarly not far at all if you live in the more expensive places
That being said, if I was a fresh college grad I would have clawed my way over that entire class to start at 60K. Those folks are in for a world of hurt when they graduate it sounds like
Wait...everyone said no...?
Goddamn kids these days
Well I started nodding and then I looked around and people were vehemently shaking their heads and saying "hell no" lol.
I'm a STEM major and $60k would allow me to live comfortably, so I wouldn't complain. Especially for my first "real" job.
What's your major builderr0r?
The dangers of peer pressure. Didn't you learn anything in D.A.R.E.?!
I'm a computer science major interested in web development, which pays ~40-70k for entry level. The class I'm in is an elective though, so there are a bunch of different majors. I think I'm the only computer science major here.
I've got a friend who's about to graduate as a software engineer and he was talking about a place offering a $50k entry level position and how low of an offer it was and it was really bugging me. Like, I get that average wages in that field are higher than that and all, but I make significantly less than that, several years out of school, so it's kind of hard for me to sympathize there.
No fire. No one pulled it either. It just went off for no reason.
Yay!
*says the guy with no certs*
What sort of STEM are we talking about here?
Like in Life Sciences that sort of money would be super fantastic whilst some engineering disciplines it'd be on the high side of reasonable. Heck its roughly what I'm making now with over half a decades experience my STEM field.
Course with those sorts of expectations those kids either are a) in a field with that sort of pay or b) have connections that'll land those sorts of pay.
My only concern would be to be sure the company isn't just shortchanging the employee because it's "entry level". Sometimes a company has less than competitive wages but makes up for it in benefits or general working conditions, or an aggressive promotion track. But other times they just pay less because they can, and that might belie a lack of respect for their employese.
h5 for fellow CS Major
15 years ago, first year heavy plant technician apprentices were getting hired on at Argyle Diamond to work 4 weeks on, 1 week off at their mines for that kind of money. Those guys would easily be making a quarter of a million dollars/annum on 2&1 swings these days, just maintaining plant equipment in diamond mines. Some jobs you just walk into a pile of cash that slowly becomes a mountain of cash if you keep at it.
This is our sign of Spring arriving. Every year in March, the sprinklers down in the basement garage get screwy thanks to the warming temperatures, and go off. It's always happened on a beautiful day so far.
Probably a ghost fire.
My starting should be around 18/20, that is more money than I can imagine though compared to what I've previously earned so no complaints from me.
What's the average cost of living where you are, Liiya? Google tells me £20k is roughly $30k.
$60k is closer to £39.4k/yr
How much gets deducted for taxes and other funding? Roughly 25% of my paycheck each week goes to income tax, social security, and medicare.
Sorry if this is too nosy--I'm just really curious how payscales work over there.
Yeah same I was always curious how that works out
So youre saying it was a ghost
"Earn £18,000 in 2015/2016 and you'll take home £15,327. This means £1,277 in your pocket a month.
Over the year you'll pay £1,480 income tax and £1,193 in National Insurance."
I think it would be closer to £39.4k if we're doing US -> Pounds
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Ohh, gotcha. Yeah, pretty sure that's part of our general tax breakdown, too, although I think that stuff varies pretty significantly from state to state (our tax codes are really confusing if you haven't lived in one place your whole life).
I was supposed to take two tests today, the first being one of those lame "personality" tests that ask you questions like, "IS STEALING EVERY OK Y/N?" After that I was going to take a test about basic electronics (ohm's law, using a multimeter, that sort of thing). It was the electronics test I was worried about. But I didn't get that test because I failed the personality test! I had to think about it to figure out why. The reason was that on the "perfect salesperson" questions, I answered honestly. Questions like, "can you talk anyone into anything?" and "do you make friends easily?" Basically my company wants everyone to be a salesman, so answering no on those kinds of questions is what killed me. At least I know now, and the next time I take one of those exams, maybe for a job I actually want, I'll know how to answer.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
I love how we've developed a culture of lying on personality tests for hiring, which means they are completely pointless.