Let's say I know someone. Someone who is totally not me. Someone who was just offered the job he applied for. It's not a huge raise, but he took it and is super excited for the opportunities that it will provide. That someone can't say anything until the official announcement though.
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KakodaimonosCode fondlerHelping the 1% get richerRegistered Userregular
Well, I will definitely give them credit for understanding that viewing porn over the work network isn't a good idea. But that doesn't mean setting up a 4G hotspot that you and your buddies use to view porn at work is a good idea either.
Which leads to this morning's email.
"I am going to make this very simple so everyone can understand. DO NOT WATCH PORN AT WORK. This is the first and last warning."
Well, I will definitely give them credit for understanding that viewing porn over the work network isn't a good idea. But that doesn't mean setting up a 4G hotspot that you and your buddies use to view porn at work is a good idea either.
Which leads to this morning's email.
"I am going to make this very simple so everyone can understand. DO NOT WATCH PORN AT WORK. This is the first and last warning."
Please post when these scholars are fired for violating the policy, so dumb haha.
Bnet tag: Nermals#11601
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I ZimbraWorst song, played on ugliest guitarRegistered Userregular
Well, I will definitely give them credit for understanding that viewing porn over the work network isn't a good idea. But that doesn't mean setting up a 4G hotspot that you and your buddies use to view porn at work is a good idea either.
Which leads to this morning's email.
"I am going to make this very simple so everyone can understand. DO NOT WATCH PORN AT WORK. This is the first and last warning."
I will never understand people who jeopardize their jobs rather than go 8 hours without looking at some titties.
Now here's a tough question. I've worked with the same person 8 years. She's been my partner in crime for a very long time as a team of two. I've been asked to keep this on the down low until an announcement goes out but I really hate to blindside her. Is it ok to let her know in some way?
Now here's a tough question. I've worked with the same person 8 years. She's been my partner in crime for a very long time as a team of two. I've been asked to keep this on the down low until an announcement goes out but I really hate to blindside her. Is it ok to let her know in some way?
If it could in any way lose you the new position? Take care of yourself first, and then do what you want to support her/ bring her with you eventually? It's not malicious to not tell her the thing your new job told you not to tell.
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RobonunIt's all fun and games until someone pisses off ChinaRegistered Userregular
Drug testing baffles me. I had to pee in a cup to work at Meijer (Midwestern Walmart clone) and I got a full physical including pee test to work at a university library. For the Super Seekrit Squirrel federal job I have now? Nada. I filled out a form where they asked "Do yew now or have yew ever overindulged in Demon Rum? ___Yup ___Nope". All righty then!
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Drug testing is, in my opinion, an extremely shady thing. Companies always say it's a liability thing but I believe it's more social engineering than anything.
You wanna smoke pot? Coo. Enjoy having no job you filthy fuckin hippy.
I've heard from some people that drug testing at retail is less about making sure you're drug-free and more about trying to have something to hold over your head.
In job news, apparently we have a mouse infestation. Came in to work this morning and someone had put down sticky traps. I would think mice would be smart enough to go around them but apparently one was not.
It's a scam perpetrated by drug testing companies. Seriously, it's big business for them and it's also why those companies are making a huge push into requiring tests for welfare as well (even though every state that has done so has lost a lot of money).
I think there are legitimate times to do drug testing, such as when there are insurance and liability implications (say, you are driving a company vehicle and are involved in an accident).
I've got an in-person interview today as a follow-up to a phone interview I did a week ago. This place is a 7 minute drive from home and doesn't open until 10AM, which is making it a pretty attractive proposition. Hopefully I can rock this interview and that the pay/benefits situation works out for me, because I would really like to be able to take this job.
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Drug testing is HUGE money. Just ask Florida governor Rick Scott.
Now here's a tough question. I've worked with the same person 8 years. She's been my partner in crime for a very long time as a team of two. I've been asked to keep this on the down low until an announcement goes out but I really hate to blindside her. Is it ok to let her know in some way?
If it could in any way lose you the new position? Take care of yourself first, and then do what you want to support her/ bring her with you eventually? It's not malicious to not tell her the thing your new job told you not to tell.
Nah - new position is still in the same team/team leader so it's really a courtesy to let her make the announcement.
I think probably they've already figured it out since I got pulled in first thing this morning and then took a phone call from my bosses's boss congratulating me which meant a lot of "Thank You" and "I'm excited too" on the phone that she must have heard. I'm just going to assume it's known - my new team mate has already figured it out.
Getting really excited though - technically I flip roles on Monday but obviously my replacement needs training so there will be a pretty hefty transition period. I'll get a company cell phone, be able to work from home when needed, and there's the possibility of travel.
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
Drug testing is, in my opinion, an extremely shady thing. Companies always say it's a liability thing but I believe it's more social engineering than anything.
You wanna smoke pot? Coo. Enjoy having no job you filthy fuckin hippy.
There are absolutely jobs where it's a safety thing. If I fuck up my math someone could die, and drugs ain't exactly great for math skills. And I'm not even getting into people who work with heavy equipment or in medicine or the like.
Also if I ran a company I wouldn't want to employ people who lack the self control to refrain from activity that's illegal (no matter how stupid it is that it's illegal).
But I do agree that it shouldn't really matter for like a simple desk job or retail type work.
The office is discussing nutrition and weightloss. Or rather, the office is discussing something that involves a lot of falsehoods, fearmongering, and Fox News level science.
I am resolved to not open my mouth in this discussion at all for I am outnumbered.
I've heard from some people that drug testing at retail is less about making sure you're drug-free and more about trying to have something to hold over your head.
In job news, apparently we have a mouse infestation. Came in to work this morning and someone had put down sticky traps. I would think mice would be smart enough to go around them but apparently one was not.
Get a cat!
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Certainly some industries should have drug testing, things like transportation and heavy equipment operation and such. Let's use trucking as an example real quick.
You have your trucker. Obviously, you want that guy to be on the straight and narrow, a semi is a massive machine and can absolutely cause terrible damage. The problem there is that, due to the nature of the work and the industry, we have these guys going nineteen hours with no sleep, which is objectively as debilitating as being on any number of illegal drugs.
I personally believe that stricter safety regulations and proper protocols visa vis employee scheduling and reasonable work hours are a better solution than forcing someone to pee in a cup.
In short, yes, there absolutely are jobs that should require drug testing, but would drug testing even be necessary if these industries were properly regulated?
Certainly some industries should have drug testing, things like transportation and heavy equipment operation and such. Let's use trucking as an example real quick.
You have your trucker. Obviously, you want that guy to be on the straight and narrow, a semi is a massive machine and can absolutely cause terrible damage. The problem there is that, due to the nature of the work and the industry, we have these guys going nineteen hours with no sleep, which is objectively as debilitating as being on any number of illegal drugs.
I personally believe that stricter safety regulations and proper protocols visa vis employee scheduling and reasonable work hours are a better solution than forcing someone to pee in a cup.
In short, yes, there absolutely are jobs that should require drug testing, but would drug testing even be necessary if these industries were properly regulated?
This isn't really true anymore. The combination of GPS and computerized logs have brought the age of log books being fairy tales to an end.
There are still occasional truckers who don't actually rest when they're supposed to but the industry doesn't really condone it anymore since it's so easy to prove it's bullshit and get hit with massive fines.
Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
so as of today, I am a writer for one of the regional branches of IGN
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kaceypwe stayed bright as lightningwe sang loud as thunderRegistered Userregular
By far the most serious drug test I ever had to take was to work at Target. Full on, go to nearby hospital, empty pockets, pee in a cup, don't flush the toilet, etc.
Oh, and they told me about it the day I went to fill out my hiring paperwork and basically said "It needs to be done by the end of the day."
By far the most serious drug test I ever had to take was to work at Target. Full on, go to nearby hospital, empty pockets, pee in a cup, don't flush the toilet, etc.
Oh, and they told me about it the day I went to fill out my hiring paperwork and basically said "It needs to be done by the end of the day."
This. I had to do this exact process (except instead of a hospital it was some company that did tests for other companies) for my part-time job. As a lab tech. At an art school.
I've heard from some people that drug testing at retail is less about making sure you're drug-free and more about trying to have something to hold over your head.
In job news, apparently we have a mouse infestation. Came in to work this morning and someone had put down sticky traps. I would think mice would be smart enough to go around them but apparently one was not.
Get a cat!
I'd be all for it, but state doesn't believe in simple solutions. There's also the problem of the numerous vehicles running around here constantly.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
We have a bingo thing to raise money for charity here at work and hey you have a chance at winning small prizes like a $10 itunes gift card or an umbrella or whatever. I used my excel skills to make a sheet that automatically highlights the matches for you if you put the numbers that are sent out into a different column. People are getting all mad and calling foul as if I'm cheating?
If I can't use my excel sheet, then you shouldn't be able to mark your for real sheet because this is the same thing. It's just a digital highlighter.
Hooray for people in the office getting mad about stupid shit!
Also I really dislike the fact that I can be on the phone with someone and tell them I'm sending a remote assist request to their machine so that I can drive their machine for a minute and fix their simple issue since they won't listen to the steps I'm giving them to fix it on their own (I don't tell them that last part.) and they will decline every attempt i send their way.
"Ok, all you need to do is click 'yes' on that remote assistance box that come sup on your screen."
*hear her mumbling the words on the dialog box that comes up*
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
"Hey, did you click no on that?"
'On what? Some popup thing came up. I x'ed out of it'
"That was the remote assistance request. You have to click yes on that so I can see your screen and stuff"
'Oh! Ok.'
"Ok I'm going to try it again. Click yes when you see it"
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
Repeat SEVERAL TIMES until she finally clicks yes.
I think the users here want me to have an aneurysm or something.
Oh also there's a water fountain that has weird nozzles or something and it is super pressurized and shot me in the eye real hard.
I laughed a lot.
Good times.
An old call center I used to work at had random drug testing. For doing billing / collections calls for a department store credit card.
If you were picked for that week or whatever you went into the restroom with the HR rep (it was otherwise closed off). They would wait outside the stall, then use a testing strip. You had to complete the test before you left for the day. Due to multiple factors I pretty much had to chug water for my four hour shift in order to do the test.
In a related story, the first week this policy went into place they decided to test everyone in management. My department manager (who was awesome, she would actually get on the phones and take calls when we got busy) quit because she said she wouldn't pass the test.
By far the most serious drug test I ever had to take was to work at Target. Full on, go to nearby hospital, empty pockets, pee in a cup, don't flush the toilet, etc.
Oh, and they told me about it the day I went to fill out my hiring paperwork and basically said "It needs to be done by the end of the day."
I had to do my drug test on campus at the company clinic for my last job, on my first official day of work. I didn't know there would be a drug test that day. It didn't really matter to me because the hardest drug I've done is properly administered Nyquil, but I feel like they should have given notice before the drug test.
I can totally understand why you need drug testing in a retail job. I mean, you are handling money and interacting with people. Its a big responsibility. Can you imagine how much damage you could do if you were a drug user? I mean imagine someone doing retail after they smoked a joint three weeks ago. People could die.
A job like mine, on the other hand, requires zero drug testing and that just makes sense. I did no drug test in the hiring process. I have done no drug testing since being hired. Being a drug user would have zero impact on my job. And I mean, I work in a pretty benign work place with basically zero risks of any kind. You know. A nuclear power plant.
Boom! Just got confirmation through of a job interview next week. More money and not the other side of London for a change... However, it's in a very specific field and would essentially dictate what my career path is for the foreseeable future if I take it. Not an issue as long as there's the potential for progression though.
Guess I'll just have to smash the interview, get the job offer and review my options then!
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kaceypwe stayed bright as lightningwe sang loud as thunderRegistered Userregular
We have a bingo thing to raise money for charity here at work and hey you have a chance at winning small prizes like a $10 itunes gift card or an umbrella or whatever. I used my excel skills to make a sheet that automatically highlights the matches for you if you put the numbers that are sent out into a different column. People are getting all mad and calling foul as if I'm cheating?
If I can't use my excel sheet, then you shouldn't be able to mark your for real sheet because this is the same thing. It's just a digital highlighter.
Hooray for people in the office getting mad about stupid shit!
Also I really dislike the fact that I can be on the phone with someone and tell them I'm sending a remote assist request to their machine so that I can drive their machine for a minute and fix their simple issue since they won't listen to the steps I'm giving them to fix it on their own (I don't tell them that last part.) and they will decline every attempt i send their way.
"Ok, all you need to do is click 'yes' on that remote assistance box that come sup on your screen."
*hear her mumbling the words on the dialog box that comes up*
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
"Hey, did you click no on that?"
'On what? Some popup thing came up. I x'ed out of it'
"That was the remote assistance request. You have to click yes on that so I can see your screen and stuff"
'Oh! Ok.'
"Ok I'm going to try it again. Click yes when you see it"
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
Repeat SEVERAL TIMES until she finally clicks yes.
I think the users here want me to have an aneurysm or something.
Oh also there's a water fountain that has weird nozzles or something and it is super pressurized and shot me in the eye real hard.
I laughed a lot.
Good times.
At one of my old jobs I would occasionally get to remotely do stuff on a computer at another site, because the staff sometimes did not know what they were doing, and it was easier than trying to walk them through everything.
I got a kick out of it because I would always just think ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
I can totally understand why you need drug testing in a retail job. I mean, you are handling money and interacting with people. Its a big responsibility. Can you imagine how much damage you could do if you were a drug user? I mean imagine someone doing retail after they smoked a joint three weeks ago. People could die.
A job like mine, on the other hand, requires zero drug testing and that just makes sense. I did no drug test in the hiring process. I have done no drug testing since being hired. Being a drug user would have zero impact on my job. And I mean, I work in a pretty benign work place with basically zero risks of any kind. You know. A nuclear power plant.
Alright, so obviously satire and all that but is that last bit true?
When I was growing up my father ran the waste water treatment plant for a nuclear power plant, a building that was a mile away from the reactor and through several security fences, and had to be drug tested like every other month or something. Have we actually relaxed the screening in the last decade or so?
I'm in Canada so, that probably has a lot to do with it.
But yes. I work in a nuclear power plant. And they do not drug test.
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Erin The RedThe Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMABaton Rouge, LARegistered Userregular
My boss is listening in on a conference call at a stupidly high volume and playing it on speakerphone. So everyone within 50 or 60 feet can hear this. I came in to ask him to hold his phone or lower the volume or something since i was trying to do support calls using my actual handset like a civilized human being and he shushed me and pointed to the cubicle opening basically meaning hey get the fuck out.
We have fitness for duty programs though. I mean I don't want to give the false impression that my industry and workplace don't pay attention to that sort of thing. We just don't do medical drug testing.
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Which leads to this morning's email.
"I am going to make this very simple so everyone can understand. DO NOT WATCH PORN AT WORK. This is the first and last warning."
Please post when these scholars are fired for violating the policy, so dumb haha.
Bnet tag: Nermals#11601
I will never understand people who jeopardize their jobs rather than go 8 hours without looking at some titties.
Brb screaming forever until I die.
or they secretly hated all of it
If it could in any way lose you the new position? Take care of yourself first, and then do what you want to support her/ bring her with you eventually? It's not malicious to not tell her the thing your new job told you not to tell.
You wanna smoke pot? Coo. Enjoy having no job you filthy fuckin hippy.
In job news, apparently we have a mouse infestation. Came in to work this morning and someone had put down sticky traps. I would think mice would be smart enough to go around them but apparently one was not.
Army. 1997. And it was MEPS (Medical Entrance Processing Station if I remember correctly) when I was tested.
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I think there are legitimate times to do drug testing, such as when there are insurance and liability implications (say, you are driving a company vehicle and are involved in an accident).
Nah - new position is still in the same team/team leader so it's really a courtesy to let her make the announcement.
I think probably they've already figured it out since I got pulled in first thing this morning and then took a phone call from my bosses's boss congratulating me which meant a lot of "Thank You" and "I'm excited too" on the phone that she must have heard. I'm just going to assume it's known - my new team mate has already figured it out.
Getting really excited though - technically I flip roles on Monday but obviously my replacement needs training so there will be a pretty hefty transition period. I'll get a company cell phone, be able to work from home when needed, and there's the possibility of travel.
There are absolutely jobs where it's a safety thing. If I fuck up my math someone could die, and drugs ain't exactly great for math skills. And I'm not even getting into people who work with heavy equipment or in medicine or the like.
Also if I ran a company I wouldn't want to employ people who lack the self control to refrain from activity that's illegal (no matter how stupid it is that it's illegal).
But I do agree that it shouldn't really matter for like a simple desk job or retail type work.
I am resolved to not open my mouth in this discussion at all for I am outnumbered.
Get a cat!
You have your trucker. Obviously, you want that guy to be on the straight and narrow, a semi is a massive machine and can absolutely cause terrible damage. The problem there is that, due to the nature of the work and the industry, we have these guys going nineteen hours with no sleep, which is objectively as debilitating as being on any number of illegal drugs.
I personally believe that stricter safety regulations and proper protocols visa vis employee scheduling and reasonable work hours are a better solution than forcing someone to pee in a cup.
In short, yes, there absolutely are jobs that should require drug testing, but would drug testing even be necessary if these industries were properly regulated?
This isn't really true anymore. The combination of GPS and computerized logs have brought the age of log books being fairy tales to an end.
There are still occasional truckers who don't actually rest when they're supposed to but the industry doesn't really condone it anymore since it's so easy to prove it's bullshit and get hit with massive fines.
Oh, and they told me about it the day I went to fill out my hiring paperwork and basically said "It needs to be done by the end of the day."
This. I had to do this exact process (except instead of a hospital it was some company that did tests for other companies) for my part-time job. As a lab tech. At an art school.
I'd be all for it, but state doesn't believe in simple solutions. There's also the problem of the numerous vehicles running around here constantly.
If I can't use my excel sheet, then you shouldn't be able to mark your for real sheet because this is the same thing. It's just a digital highlighter.
Hooray for people in the office getting mad about stupid shit!
Also I really dislike the fact that I can be on the phone with someone and tell them I'm sending a remote assist request to their machine so that I can drive their machine for a minute and fix their simple issue since they won't listen to the steps I'm giving them to fix it on their own (I don't tell them that last part.) and they will decline every attempt i send their way.
"Ok, all you need to do is click 'yes' on that remote assistance box that come sup on your screen."
*hear her mumbling the words on the dialog box that comes up*
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
"Hey, did you click no on that?"
'On what? Some popup thing came up. I x'ed out of it'
"That was the remote assistance request. You have to click yes on that so I can see your screen and stuff"
'Oh! Ok.'
"Ok I'm going to try it again. Click yes when you see it"
-Unable to connect. The user has declined the invitation-
Repeat SEVERAL TIMES until she finally clicks yes.
I think the users here want me to have an aneurysm or something.
Oh also there's a water fountain that has weird nozzles or something and it is super pressurized and shot me in the eye real hard.
I laughed a lot.
Good times.
If you were picked for that week or whatever you went into the restroom with the HR rep (it was otherwise closed off). They would wait outside the stall, then use a testing strip. You had to complete the test before you left for the day. Due to multiple factors I pretty much had to chug water for my four hour shift in order to do the test.
In a related story, the first week this policy went into place they decided to test everyone in management. My department manager (who was awesome, she would actually get on the phones and take calls when we got busy) quit because she said she wouldn't pass the test.
I had to do my drug test on campus at the company clinic for my last job, on my first official day of work. I didn't know there would be a drug test that day. It didn't really matter to me because the hardest drug I've done is properly administered Nyquil, but I feel like they should have given notice before the drug test.
A job like mine, on the other hand, requires zero drug testing and that just makes sense. I did no drug test in the hiring process. I have done no drug testing since being hired. Being a drug user would have zero impact on my job. And I mean, I work in a pretty benign work place with basically zero risks of any kind. You know. A nuclear power plant.
Guess I'll just have to smash the interview, get the job offer and review my options then!
At one of my old jobs I would occasionally get to remotely do stuff on a computer at another site, because the staff sometimes did not know what they were doing, and it was easier than trying to walk them through everything.
I got a kick out of it because I would always just think ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
Alright, so obviously satire and all that but is that last bit true?
When I was growing up my father ran the waste water treatment plant for a nuclear power plant, a building that was a mile away from the reactor and through several security fences, and had to be drug tested like every other month or something. Have we actually relaxed the screening in the last decade or so?
But yes. I work in a nuclear power plant. And they do not drug test.
Really wanna go off on people sometimes.