In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
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In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
I think the real interesting question is how they managed to stop the spread of the scale. I think the show only mentioned the huge time and effort involved, but no details.
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In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
I think the real interesting question is how they managed to stop the spread of the scale. I think the show only mentioned the huge time and effort involved, but no details.
Yeah that is definitely a big deal and makes Shireen special. It's kind of implied that magic was involved.
Possible Winds stuff:
If they burn Shireen to bring Jon back, lots of people say that would satisfy Mel's "Wake dragons from stone" prophecy since Jon is a Targ and greyscale makes your skin stone-like. But of course Mel wouldn't realize that god Mel you're so dumb.
Not sure if it's been mentioned with regards to the Ironborns in the show:
Some people seemed mad that the followers of Euron would be willing to kill his niece and nephew.
But...remember during the Kingsmoot that Theon (or maybe his sister, I can't remember which) specifically accuse Euron of killing their father and say they should execute him. So while it's not perfect, it does lend some understandability of why people would be willing to kill them...they had already insinuated if Yara won she would have Euron killed.
Not sure if it's been mentioned with regards to the Ironborns in the show:
Some people seemed mad that the followers of Euron would be willing to kill his niece and nephew.
But...remember during the Kingsmoot that Theon (or maybe his sister, I can't remember which) specifically accuse Euron of killing their father and say they should execute him. So while it's not perfect, it does lend some understandability of why people would be willing to kill them...they had already insinuated if Yara won she would have Euron killed.
Yeah, she'd have Euron killed. For regicide, because he killed Balon.
Also, kinslaying has a special taboo in Westeros. That shit's like double murder.
Not sure if it's been mentioned with regards to the Ironborns in the show:
Some people seemed mad that the followers of Euron would be willing to kill his niece and nephew.
But...remember during the Kingsmoot that Theon (or maybe his sister, I can't remember which) specifically accuse Euron of killing their father and say they should execute him. So while it's not perfect, it does lend some understandability of why people would be willing to kill them...they had already insinuated if Yara won she would have Euron killed.
Yeah, she'd have Euron killed. For regicide, because he killed Balon.
Also, kinslaying has a special taboo in Westeros. That shit's like double murder.
Show Euron
In his defense, the guy ran on the Kinslaying platform and the people voted for him in a landslide. He pretty much has to kill them now or the Iron Press is going to have a field day about his do-nothing administration.
He's a rich 'outsider' who proudly proclaims to have done awful things, an interest in doing more awful things, and declared that he will construct a yuuuuuuge fleet to make Westeros great again?
Yes yes, being a Lannister with golden hair and an unsettling... affection for a family member is also fitting, but given some of the bullshit I've seen about him failing to settle on fees, he certainly doesn't always pay his debts.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
He kills one of the king candidates after the moot for refusing to follow him. I imagine going after Theon and Asha (sorry, Yara) is a similar kind of deal. Get behind me or get dead. Though it could've been handled better.
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In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
I think the real interesting question is how they managed to stop the spread of the scale. I think the show only mentioned the huge time and effort involved, but no details.
greyscale is only 100% fatal if you're an adult. kids often survive it
In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
I think the real interesting question is how they managed to stop the spread of the scale. I think the show only mentioned the huge time and effort involved, but no details.
greyscale is only 100% fatal if you're an adult. kids often survive it
It's kind of like if zombie virus mixed with chicken pox.
Show Euron is a victim of the show runners being unwilling to keep too many balls in the air at once and dropping the iron islands plot line for a couple years. See also: the Riverlands and the Blackfish and "whoops they took Riverrun with some army which we didn't know was there."
Book spoilers that totally aren't spoilers, just comparisons of when things happen.
Show folks, remember those leeches? Balon's the first one of the three Kings to die. The Kingsmoot happens while Theon's first getting tortured.
Whoa. Saw this blog post from April 2014 (hell, I even checked the Wayback Machine to make sure there wasn't some kind of temporal tampering, it was first captured in July 2014) relating to the big reveal from tonight:
Show Euron is a victim of the show runners being unwilling to keep too many balls in the air at once and dropping the iron islands plot line for a couple years. See also: the Riverlands and the Blackfish and "whoops they took Riverrun with some army which we didn't know was there."
Book spoilers that totally aren't spoilers, just comparisons of when things happen.
Show folks, remember those leeches? Balon's the first one of the three Kings to die. The Kingsmoot happens while Theon's first getting tortured.
Conservation of Characters and Keeping it Simple have done a few nasty things to the story they are adapting over the years.
Whoa. Saw this blog post from April 2014 (hell, I even checked the Wayback Machine to make sure there wasn't some kind of temporal tampering, it was first captured in July 2014) relating to the big reveal from tonight:
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Didn't the books also imply
That the Faceless Men may have triggered the Doom?
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Didn't the books also imply
That the Faceless Men may have triggered the Doom?
Unclear. There was an implication, but the MFG gets credit for all deaths. There was also talk of the Valyrians messing with something terrible and previously unknown in those mines.
Or it was just a natural Krakatoa^10 geological event.
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
I loved the idea that it wasn't really a price, it was a sacrifice. A meaningless sacrifice isn't really a sacrifice.
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Not really? The show's interpretation is basically as valid and supported by the books as yours.
A Feast For Crows Chapter 22
It is possible that the first Faceless Man took the slave's life as price for killing his master, but there's no evidence of that in the books, and there's nothing definite saying that the first Faceless man was originally a noble.
"What kind of tale?" She asked, wary.
"The tale of beginnings. If you would be one of us, you had best know who we are and how we came to be. Men may whisper of the Faceless Men of Braavos, but we are older than the Secret City. Before the Titan rose, before the Unmasking of Uthero, before the Founding, we were. We have flowered in Braavos amongst these northern fogs, but we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. Most mines are dank and chilly places, but from cold dead stone, but the Fourteen Flames were living mountains with veins of molten rock and hearts of fire. So the miners of old Valyria were always hot, and they grew hotter as the shafts were driven deeper, ever deeper. The slaves toiled in an oven. The rocks around them were too hot to touch. The air stank of brimstone and would sear their lungs as they breathed it. The soles of their feet would burn and blister, even through the thickest sandals. Sometimes, when they broke through a wall in search of gold, they would find steam instead, or boiling water, or molten rock. Certain shafts were cut so low that the slaves could not stand upright, but had to crawl or bend. An there were wyrms in that red darkness too."
"Earthworms?" she asked, frowning.
"Firewyrms. Some say they are akin to dragons, for wyrms breathe fire too. Instead of soaring through the sky, they bore through stone and soil. If the old tales can be believed, there were wyrms amongst the Fourteen Flames even before the dragons came. The young ones are no larger than that skinny arm of yours, but they can grow to monstrous size and have no love for me."
"Did they kill the slaves?"
"Burnt and blackened corpses were oft found in shafts where the rocks were cracked or full of holes. Yet still the mines drove deeper. Slaves perished by the score, but their masters did not care. Red gold and yellow gold and silver were reckoned to be more precious than the lives of slaves, for slaves were cheap in the old Freehold. During war, the Valyrians took them by the thousands. In times of peace they bred them, though only the worst were sent down to die in the red darkness."
"Didn't the slaves rise up and fight?"
"Some did," he said, "Revolts were common in the mines, but few accomplished much. The dragonlords of the old Freehold were strong in sorcery, and lesser men defied them at their peril. The first Faceless Man was one who did."
"Who was he?" Arya blurted, before she stopped to think.
"No one," he answered. "Some say he was a slave himself. Others insist he was a freeholder's son, born of noble stock. Some will even tell you he was an overseer who took pity on his charges. The truth is, no one knows. Whoever he was, he moved amongst the slaves and would hear them at their prayers. Men of a hundred different nations labored in the mines, and each prayed to his own god in his own tongue, yet all were praying for the same thing. It was release they asked for, an end to pain. A small thing, and simple. Yet their gods made no answer, and their suffering went on. Are their gods all deaf? he wondered . . . until a realization came upon him, one night in the red darkness.
"All gods have their instruments, men and women who serve them and help to work their will on earth. The slaves were not crying out to a hundred different gods, as it seemed, but to one god with a hundred different faces . . . and he was that god's instrument. That very night he chose the most wretched of the slaves, the one who had prayed most earnestly for release, and freed him from his bondage. The first gift had been given."
"Arya drew back from him. "He killed the slave?" That did not sound right. "He should have killed the masters!"
"He would bring the gift to them as well . . . but that is a tale fro another day, one best shared with no one." He cocked his head. "And who are you, child?"
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
It was in general 2/3 of everything you have in life. For poor people that generally means their life, for rich they can usually pay and live.
In one of Arya and the Waif's "Am I lying?" game things, the waif tells a story about her father buying a faceless man, and says that the house of black and white took all of his wealth in exchange. Arya says that was a lie, and the house of black and white only took 2/3 of his wealth, and the waif responded with some "Just so" or something.
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Not really? The show's interpretation is basically as valid as yours.
A Feast For Crows Chapter 22
"What kind of tale?" She asked, wary.
"The tale of beginnings. If you would be one of us, you had best know who we are and how we came to be. Men may whisper of the Faceless Men of Braavos, but we are older than the Secret City. Before the Titan rose, before the Unmasking of Uthero, before the Founding, we were. We have flowered in Braavos amongst these northern fogs, but we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. Most mines are dank and chilly places, but from cold dead stone, but the Fourteen Flames were living mountains with veins of molten rock and hearts of fire. So the miners of old Valyria were always hot, and they grew hotter as the shafts were driven deeper, ever deeper. The slaves toiled in an oven. The rocks around them were too hot to touch. The air stank of brimstone and would sear their lungs as they breathed it. The soles of their feet would burn and blister, even through the thickest sandals. Sometimes, when they broke through a wall in search of gold, they would find steam instead, or boiling water, or molten rock. Certain shafts were cut so low that the slaves could not stand upright, but had to crawl or bend. An there were wyrms in that red darkness too."
"Earthworms?" she asked, frowning.
"Firewyrms. Some say they are akin to dragons, for wyrms breathe fire too. Instead of soaring through the sky, they bore through stone and soil. If the old tales can be believed, there were wyrms amongst the Fourteen Flames even before the dragons came. The young ones are no larger than that skinny arm of yours, but they can grow to monstrous size and have no love for me."
"Did they kill the slaves?"
"Burnt and blackened corpses were oft found in shafts where the rocks were cracked or full of holes. Yet still the mines drove deeper. Slaves perished by the score, but their masters did not care. Red gold and yellow gold and silver were reckoned to be more precious than the lives of slaves, for slaves were cheap in the old Freehold. During war, the Valyrians took them by the thousands. In times of peace they bred them, though only the worst were sent down to die in the red darkness."
"Didn't the slaves rise up and fight?"
"Some did," he said, "Revolts were common in the mines, but few accomplished much. The dragonlords of the old Freehold were strong in sorcery, and lesser men defied them at their peril. The first Faceless Man was one who did."
"Who was he?" Arya blurted, before she stopped to think.
"No one," he answered. "Some say he was a slave himself. Others insist he was a freeholder's son, born of noble stock. Some will even tell you he was an overseer who took pity on his charges. The truth is, no one knows. Whoever he was, he moved amongst the slaves and would hear them at their prayers. Men of a hundred different nations labored in the mines, and each prayed to his own god in his own tongue, yet all were praying for the same thing. It was release they asked for, an end to pain. A small thing, and simple. Yet their gods made no answer, and their suffering went on. Are their gods all deaf? he wondered . . . until a realization came upon him, one night in the red darkness.
"All gods have their instruments, men and women who serve them and help to work their will on earth. The slaves were not crying out to a hundred different gods, as it seemed, but to one god with a hundred different faces . . . and he was that god's instrument. That very night he chose the most wretched of the slaves, the one who had prayed most earnestly for release, and freed him from his bondage. The first gift had been given."
"Arya drew back from him. "He killed the slave?" That did not sound right. "He should have killed the masters!"
"He would bring the gift to them as well . . . but that is a tale fro another day, one best shared with no one." He cocked his head. "And who are you, child?"
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
It was in general 2/3 of everything you have in life. For poor people that generally means their life, for rich they can usually pay and live.
That does make me wonder whether:
(book stuff)
we'll get to find out what price Euron had to pay to have his brother killed.
Emo rape Viking is not more interesting than regular rape Viking.
Sure he is. He's delightfully crazy.
And stupid. He and Cersei are some of the most fun chapters for me because he really lets you experience their obliviousness and their internal rationalizations for it.
The show greatly simplified and, in my opinion, cheapened the Faceless Men's origins. The way the show tells it is that the Faceless Men were some sort of Slave Liberation grouo rebelling against their masters in Old Valyria. That origin doesn't really explain their religious adherence to death or the fact that they will literally kill anyone if the proper tribute is paid.
In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Not really? The show's interpretation is basically as valid as yours.
A Feast For Crows Chapter 22
"What kind of tale?" She asked, wary.
"The tale of beginnings. If you would be one of us, you had best know who we are and how we came to be. Men may whisper of the Faceless Men of Braavos, but we are older than the Secret City. Before the Titan rose, before the Unmasking of Uthero, before the Founding, we were. We have flowered in Braavos amongst these northern fogs, but we first took root in Valyria, amongst the wretched slaves who toiled in the deep mines beneath the Fourteen Flames that lit the Freehold's nights of old. Most mines are dank and chilly places, but from cold dead stone, but the Fourteen Flames were living mountains with veins of molten rock and hearts of fire. So the miners of old Valyria were always hot, and they grew hotter as the shafts were driven deeper, ever deeper. The slaves toiled in an oven. The rocks around them were too hot to touch. The air stank of brimstone and would sear their lungs as they breathed it. The soles of their feet would burn and blister, even through the thickest sandals. Sometimes, when they broke through a wall in search of gold, they would find steam instead, or boiling water, or molten rock. Certain shafts were cut so low that the slaves could not stand upright, but had to crawl or bend. An there were wyrms in that red darkness too."
"Earthworms?" she asked, frowning.
"Firewyrms. Some say they are akin to dragons, for wyrms breathe fire too. Instead of soaring through the sky, they bore through stone and soil. If the old tales can be believed, there were wyrms amongst the Fourteen Flames even before the dragons came. The young ones are no larger than that skinny arm of yours, but they can grow to monstrous size and have no love for me."
"Did they kill the slaves?"
"Burnt and blackened corpses were oft found in shafts where the rocks were cracked or full of holes. Yet still the mines drove deeper. Slaves perished by the score, but their masters did not care. Red gold and yellow gold and silver were reckoned to be more precious than the lives of slaves, for slaves were cheap in the old Freehold. During war, the Valyrians took them by the thousands. In times of peace they bred them, though only the worst were sent down to die in the red darkness."
"Didn't the slaves rise up and fight?"
"Some did," he said, "Revolts were common in the mines, but few accomplished much. The dragonlords of the old Freehold were strong in sorcery, and lesser men defied them at their peril. The first Faceless Man was one who did."
"Who was he?" Arya blurted, before she stopped to think.
"No one," he answered. "Some say he was a slave himself. Others insist he was a freeholder's son, born of noble stock. Some will even tell you he was an overseer who took pity on his charges. The truth is, no one knows. Whoever he was, he moved amongst the slaves and would hear them at their prayers. Men of a hundred different nations labored in the mines, and each prayed to his own god in his own tongue, yet all were praying for the same thing. It was release they asked for, an end to pain. A small thing, and simple. Yet their gods made no answer, and their suffering went on. Are their gods all deaf? he wondered . . . until a realization came upon him, one night in the red darkness.
"All gods have their instruments, men and women who serve them and help to work their will on earth. The slaves were not crying out to a hundred different gods, as it seemed, but to one god with a hundred different faces . . . and he was that god's instrument. That very night he chose the most wretched of the slaves, the one who had prayed most earnestly for release, and freed him from his bondage. The first gift had been given."
"Arya drew back from him. "He killed the slave?" That did not sound right. "He should have killed the masters!"
"He would bring the gift to them as well . . . but that is a tale fro another day, one best shared with no one." He cocked his head. "And who are you, child?"
I might have missed it but did the show say what their price was
If I remember the books right, their price depends on the person, a begger might have a person killed for giving them the wheeled board he uses to get around on where as a nobel would have to give them all of the coin in his treasury
It was in general 2/3 of everything you have in life. For poor people that generally means their life, for rich they can usually pay and live.
That does make me wonder whether:
(book stuff)
we'll get to find out what price Euron had to pay to have his brother killed.
More book stuff
Maybe the chest of gold and jewels he presented at the kingsmoot was all he had left
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In the last season of the show, it's explained that some merchant gave her a toy as a gift, and the toy had greyscale stuff on it, and she got infected after playing with it. So basically an assassination attempt / biological weapon attack by some asshole who didn't like Stannis or the Baratheons.
I think the real interesting question is how they managed to stop the spread of the scale. I think the show only mentioned the huge time and effort involved, but no details.
Yeah that is definitely a big deal and makes Shireen special. It's kind of implied that magic was involved.
Possible Winds stuff:
Bear in mind the story of how azor ahais sword was forged.
Book:
Stannis isn't really a True Believer and is also like half a continent away from Shireen at the moment.
But...remember during the Kingsmoot that Theon (or maybe his sister, I can't remember which) specifically accuse Euron of killing their father and say they should execute him. So while it's not perfect, it does lend some understandability of why people would be willing to kill them...they had already insinuated if Yara won she would have Euron killed.
Also, kinslaying has a special taboo in Westeros. That shit's like double murder.
Yes yes, being a Lannister with golden hair and an unsettling... affection for a family member is also fitting, but given some of the bullshit I've seen about him failing to settle on fees, he certainly doesn't always pay his debts.
No, he doesn't have a horn in this one.
I was looking forward to that actually heh.
greyscale is only 100% fatal if you're an adult. kids often survive it
It's kind of like if zombie virus mixed with chicken pox.
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Show Euron is a victim of the show runners being unwilling to keep too many balls in the air at once and dropping the iron islands plot line for a couple years. See also: the Riverlands and the Blackfish and "whoops they took Riverrun with some army which we didn't know was there."
Book spoilers that totally aren't spoilers, just comparisons of when things happen.
All because of this:
Conservation of Characters and Keeping it Simple have done a few nasty things to the story they are adapting over the years.
So does book Euron! Actually all the Iron Islanders are boring.
Why must you turn this thread into a house of lies
psst @Doodman just fyi your picture is over 500kb and could get you dinged
(also it's really good!)
It makes sense since
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My friend and I have been calling them Hillbilly Pirates.
Yea, books...
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In the book, it's told that the first Faceless Man was a Valyrian noble. Day after day he'd hear slaves praying to their gods for death, so that they could be spared the terrible life they led under their Valyrian masters. The Many Faced God comes from the noble's observations. These slaves were praying to all these different gods, but they were all wishing for the same thing: death and freedom. Thus the belief that there's only one God and he wears many faces.
The noble, with his newfound religious enlightenment, began to do the Many Faced God's work by killing the slaves who prayed for it. Then, one day, he heard a slave praying for death, but not his own. This slave prayed for the death of his master. The noble approached the slave and told him that he'd kill the master if, and only if, the slave devoted his life to the Many Faces God and joined in his work.
It's probably my favorite piece of history in ASoIaF. Not sure why they even changed it, it wouldn't have taken much more dialogue, and it explains the Faceless Men's ways, it just makes sense.
Didn't the books also imply
That's my favorite part of their mythos.
Or it was just a natural Krakatoa^10 geological event.
I loved the idea that it wasn't really a price, it was a sacrifice. A meaningless sacrifice isn't really a sacrifice.
Not really? The show's interpretation is basically as valid and supported by the books as yours.
A Feast For Crows Chapter 22
It is possible that the first Faceless Man took the slave's life as price for killing his master, but there's no evidence of that in the books, and there's nothing definite saying that the first Faceless man was originally a noble.
In one of Arya and the Waif's "Am I lying?" game things, the waif tells a story about her father buying a faceless man, and says that the house of black and white took all of his wealth in exchange. Arya says that was a lie, and the house of black and white only took 2/3 of his wealth, and the waif responded with some "Just so" or something.
Sure he is. He's delightfully crazy.
That does make me wonder whether:
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And stupid. He and Cersei are some of the most fun chapters for me because he really lets you experience their obliviousness and their internal rationalizations for it.
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