I dunno, I tend to see the stuff about him doing some evil mormon shit as just a conspiracy from the other side. Most mormons are good people aside from some of their whackier shit and their general conservatism.
I appreciate that I'm coming at this from a pretty privileged viewpoint though. I know there are a lot of people that would have had a really bad time under Romney.
as a former mormon
it would not be any worse than what we've already seen under christian GOP politicians
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When I thought this would be Bush v Clinton I was all in favour of not hitting Jeb! over the head with Dubya. He had his own terrible decisions we could criticise him for, there was no need to pin Iraq on him.
And then he started explicitly defending his brother's presidency.
Welp, if he thinks they were good ideas...
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I'm currently miffed that that article on the last page called anyone under 35 a millennial.
News keeps taking whatever the popular generational terms are and stretching the birth years requirements back and the current age requirements forward. At this rate in two years there'll be an article referring to anyone born after '75 as "those millennials"
When I thought this would be Bush v Clinton I was all in favour of not hitting Jeb! over the head with Dubya. He had his own terrible decisions we could criticise him for, there was no need to pin Iraq on him.
And then he started explicitly defending his brother's presidency.
Welp, if he thinks they were good ideas...
To be fair, I thinking attacking his own brother is a bad look as well.
He was also trying to run as W Lite, which meant that he couldn't run to hard or far from his brother.
W was disposed to the foundation of his campaign, but instead turned into an albatross.
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I think the "any one of these clowns could beat Hillary" argument loses some effectiveness when none of them could beat Donald Trump. They wouldn't necessarily be blowing up their own campaigns the way Trump is, but like, the only reason Cruz looks palatable is that Trump is more openly awful, and everyone still hates that fucker. Jeb didn't ever look like he wanted to be there. Kasich is a moderate only by the most generous fucking terms imaginable. Rubio is...somehow sadder than Jeb? And then there are all the other idiots who ran, like...I know Hillary is divisive, and I know the right hates the shit out of her, but...these guys? Really?
Well, the people who won Trump the primary would have probably voted for any of those guys in a general election if push came to shove. Add in all the people Trump scared away and you'd have a much more competitive race. Especially if they could keep the messaging on their Hillary snipe hunts.
Trump is an active dumpster fire of a human being, and is still beating Hilary in enough states to drum up 200 electoral votes.
I feel like the biggest difference between Trump and the Other Guys is the Other Guys know how to listen to a fucking campaign manager. It'd still be very much "Well he's not Hillary!" because god knows you're not going to see a candidate-centric campaign revolve around Jeb "Please Clap" Bush, but you'd have the full cooperation of the Koch money dispensary and various media outlets harping on emails and rigging the primary and so forth instead of bewildered Republicans doing damage culture because Trump decided to shittalk orphans this week.
I'm sure the GOP establishment would love to dump the Southern strategy and stop concentrating on social issues and coded racism but they don't have the base for it any more.
The "southern strategy" is why they don't have the base for it any more.
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Difference between w and trump: only one has committed war crimes and legalised torture
I know the present sucks but let's not light a candle for the man who ran the most racist presidential campaign ever or for the imbecile who invaded Iraq and let the economy implode in a way that had not happened since 1929?
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But to be honest to the first bush: he was almost preternaturally unlucky
Any person can get sick and vomit, but he did it on the Japanese pms lap
If the 92 recession began one year earlier or later, he'd be reelected
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I'm currently miffed that that article on the last page called anyone under 35 a millennial.
News keeps taking whatever the popular generational terms are and stretching the birth years requirements back and the current age requirements forward. At this rate in two years there'll be an article referring to anyone born after '75 as "those millennials"
Nothing's been stretched. "Generation Y", or Millennials, has always started around 1980-1985, just like Generation X started in 1960-65, because a generation usually covers twenty years or so.
There is an argument that 9/11 caused such a huge change in society that it basically ended the Millennial generation early.
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The fact that I am considered in the same generation as the kids I teach in high school is insane. Our childhood was radically different solely based on technological advancements.
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Teenagers at the age of 13-15 today are also only millemials until they come up with a new term for their age group. I remember distinctly being part of generation X until millennial got coined.
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I was Gen X until Generation I came along, and that was meant to indicate people who went through childhood with access to the internet. That died out pretty quick though (quite likely because it was wildly inaccurate) and we were apparently Generation Y, until that got renamed Millennial.
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I see a lot of talking about how the next big Republican push, if they lose this election, will be in 2024 rather than 2020
Are people just assuming Hillary would get a second term?
Historically a president has to really screw up to not get that second term.
What'd Bush the First do?
He gave his infamous no new taxes pledge (which was totally unnecessary and he was repeatedly advised against) and then he eventually signed a compromised budget in 1990 that did increase taxes. Conservative Butters back in the day read a book about HW's presidency and believe it or not he may have gotten through it if he listened to the advice of Dan Quayle of all people. Quayle basically told him to omit that part of the speech (written by Peggy Noonan) and then subsequently told him not to sign that budget because "they'll hang you with it" Potatoe man was right. After signing it political opponents from all sides crucified him for it and his approval ratings never recovered.
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Oh God, people tried desperately to coin a name for the post generation X generation and they were all so stupid.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Teenagers at the age of 13-15 today are also only millemials until they come up with a new term for their age group. I remember distinctly being part of generation X until millennial got coined.
One of my favourite television shows when I was younger was called Beyond 2000.
Teenagers at the age of 13-15 today are also only millemials until they come up with a new term for their age group. I remember distinctly being part of generation X until millennial got coined.
One of my favourite television shows when I was younger was called Beyond 2000.
Just call em baby boomers to make it both more confusing and funnier.
"Sexting a disturbing trend among baby boomers, new study finds."
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Booming babiers
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Also you don't have to call cops sir. Nor are you expected to.
Maybe not where you live. Here you are expected to say "sir" or "Mam" to the police.
I live in a pretty small and well off town, and have worked with the police in the past (when I was a cook at a 24 hour diner they paid an off duty officer to stand around in uniform and help break up fights. He was a cool dude) but even the ones out here scare me. I've been pulled over for matching a description of a suspect and treated like shit by a couple of local cops, who called back up, and made me wait around for about an hour before I was allowed to finish going into work. I've had guns drawn on me 2 times...for no reason. And I had a state trooper call me a "complete and total fuckup. I hope your proud because I guranantee your mama isn't" and another trooped was yelling at me red faced once and called me all kinds of names.
I think the "any one of these clowns could beat Hillary" argument loses some effectiveness when none of them could beat Donald Trump. They wouldn't necessarily be blowing up their own campaigns the way Trump is, but like, the only reason Cruz looks palatable is that Trump is more openly awful, and everyone still hates that fucker. Jeb didn't ever look like he wanted to be there. Kasich is a moderate only by the most generous fucking terms imaginable. Rubio is...somehow sadder than Jeb? And then there are all the other idiots who ran, like...I know Hillary is divisive, and I know the right hates the shit out of her, but...these guys? Really?
Well, the people who won Trump the primary would have probably voted for any of those guys in a general election if push came to shove. Add in all the people Trump scared away and you'd have a much more competitive race. Especially if they could keep the messaging on their Hillary snipe hunts.
Trump is an active dumpster fire of a human being, and is still beating Hilary in enough states to drum up 200 electoral votes.
pretty sure with the state of politics right now a lot of those would vote for Pounding Nails Through Your Genitals over literally Jesus Christ returned to this earth if pounding nails through your naughty bits had an (R) next to it.
I think the "any one of these clowns could beat Hillary" argument loses some effectiveness when none of them could beat Donald Trump. They wouldn't necessarily be blowing up their own campaigns the way Trump is, but like, the only reason Cruz looks palatable is that Trump is more openly awful, and everyone still hates that fucker. Jeb didn't ever look like he wanted to be there. Kasich is a moderate only by the most generous fucking terms imaginable. Rubio is...somehow sadder than Jeb? And then there are all the other idiots who ran, like...I know Hillary is divisive, and I know the right hates the shit out of her, but...these guys? Really?
Well, the people who won Trump the primary would have probably voted for any of those guys in a general election if push came to shove. Add in all the people Trump scared away and you'd have a much more competitive race. Especially if they could keep the messaging on their Hillary snipe hunts.
Trump is an active dumpster fire of a human being, and is still beating Hilary in enough states to drum up 200 electoral votes.
pretty sure with the state of politics right now a lot of those would vote for Pounding Nails Through Your Genitals over literally Jesus Christ returned to this earth if pounding nails through your naughty bits had an (R) next to it.
Well, Jesus Christ is a dirty liberal hippie who'd 'let America's enemies roll over us and would be soft on terrorism'. Not to mention that he's also a brown middle easterner.
Of course today's Republicans wouldn't vote for him.
I think the "any one of these clowns could beat Hillary" argument loses some effectiveness when none of them could beat Donald Trump. They wouldn't necessarily be blowing up their own campaigns the way Trump is, but like, the only reason Cruz looks palatable is that Trump is more openly awful, and everyone still hates that fucker. Jeb didn't ever look like he wanted to be there. Kasich is a moderate only by the most generous fucking terms imaginable. Rubio is...somehow sadder than Jeb? And then there are all the other idiots who ran, like...I know Hillary is divisive, and I know the right hates the shit out of her, but...these guys? Really?
Well, the people who won Trump the primary would have probably voted for any of those guys in a general election if push came to shove. Add in all the people Trump scared away and you'd have a much more competitive race. Especially if they could keep the messaging on their Hillary snipe hunts.
Trump is an active dumpster fire of a human being, and is still beating Hilary in enough states to drum up 200 electoral votes.
pretty sure with the state of politics right now a lot of those would vote for Pounding Nails Through Your Genitals over literally Jesus Christ returned to this earth if pounding nails through your naughty bits had an (R) next to it.
Well, Jesus Christ is a dirty liberal hippie who'd 'let America's enemies roll over us and would be soft on terrorism'. Not to mention that he's also a brown middle easterner.
Of course today's Republicans wouldn't vote for him.
A right-wing Texas megachurch pastor admits he’d vote for Donald Trump over Jesus — who he accused of being weak on terrorism.
Robert Jeffress, pastor at 12,000-member First Baptist Church in Dallas, has been a vocal supporter of the presumptive Republican nominee — who he believes is the only candidate who can defeat Hillary Clinton.
Also you don't have to call cops sir. Nor are you expected to.
Maybe not where you live. Here you are expected to say "sir" or "Mam" to the police.
I live in a pretty small and well off town, and have worked with the police in the past (when I was a cook at a 24 hour diner they paid an off duty officer to stand around in uniform and help break up fights. He was a cool dude) but even the ones out here scare me. I've been pulled over for matching a description of a suspect and treated like shit by a couple of local cops, who called back up, and made me wait around for about an hour before I was allowed to finish going into work. I've had guns drawn on me 2 times...for no reason. And I had a state trooper call me a "complete and total fuckup. I hope your proud because I guranantee your mama isn't" and another trooped was yelling at me red faced once and called me all kinds of names.
I hate Indiana
I've never had an ISP trooper be a dick (in fact, the 3 I've had to deal with were all super nice to me), but yeah, IN sheriffs and small-city cops (IMPD's a mixed-bag) tend to be massive assoles around here.
Thank god I'm white.
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You should read it (and all of The Brothers Karamazov)
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it would not be any worse than what we've already seen under christian GOP politicians
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And then he started explicitly defending his brother's presidency.
Welp, if he thinks they were good ideas...
News keeps taking whatever the popular generational terms are and stretching the birth years requirements back and the current age requirements forward. At this rate in two years there'll be an article referring to anyone born after '75 as "those millennials"
To be fair, I thinking attacking his own brother is a bad look as well.
He was also trying to run as W Lite, which meant that he couldn't run to hard or far from his brother.
W was disposed to the foundation of his campaign, but instead turned into an albatross.
Perot helped.
Well, the people who won Trump the primary would have probably voted for any of those guys in a general election if push came to shove. Add in all the people Trump scared away and you'd have a much more competitive race. Especially if they could keep the messaging on their Hillary snipe hunts.
Trump is an active dumpster fire of a human being, and is still beating Hilary in enough states to drum up 200 electoral votes.
The "southern strategy" is why they don't have the base for it any more.
Difference between w and trump: only one has committed war crimes and legalised torture
I know the present sucks but let's not light a candle for the man who ran the most racist presidential campaign ever or for the imbecile who invaded Iraq and let the economy implode in a way that had not happened since 1929?
Any person can get sick and vomit, but he did it on the Japanese pms lap
If the 92 recession began one year earlier or later, he'd be reelected
But a Wild Draw Four is a known value of sorts in Uno so...checkmate, Rorus.
Nothing's been stretched. "Generation Y", or Millennials, has always started around 1980-1985, just like Generation X started in 1960-65, because a generation usually covers twenty years or so.
There is an argument that 9/11 caused such a huge change in society that it basically ended the Millennial generation early.
He gave his infamous no new taxes pledge (which was totally unnecessary and he was repeatedly advised against) and then he eventually signed a compromised budget in 1990 that did increase taxes. Conservative Butters back in the day read a book about HW's presidency and believe it or not he may have gotten through it if he listened to the advice of Dan Quayle of all people. Quayle basically told him to omit that part of the speech (written by Peggy Noonan) and then subsequently told him not to sign that budget because "they'll hang you with it" Potatoe man was right. After signing it political opponents from all sides crucified him for it and his approval ratings never recovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes
What does this mean?
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Sadly by then our train infrastructure will have fallen apart
One of my favourite television shows when I was younger was called Beyond 2000.
That'll do.
that show was excellent though.
"Sexting a disturbing trend among baby boomers, new study finds."
Play a blindingly good game.
Do really well.
Maybe not where you live. Here you are expected to say "sir" or "Mam" to the police.
I live in a pretty small and well off town, and have worked with the police in the past (when I was a cook at a 24 hour diner they paid an off duty officer to stand around in uniform and help break up fights. He was a cool dude) but even the ones out here scare me. I've been pulled over for matching a description of a suspect and treated like shit by a couple of local cops, who called back up, and made me wait around for about an hour before I was allowed to finish going into work. I've had guns drawn on me 2 times...for no reason. And I had a state trooper call me a "complete and total fuckup. I hope your proud because I guranantee your mama isn't" and another trooped was yelling at me red faced once and called me all kinds of names.
I hate Indiana
pretty sure with the state of politics right now a lot of those would vote for Pounding Nails Through Your Genitals over literally Jesus Christ returned to this earth if pounding nails through your naughty bits had an (R) next to it.
Well, Jesus Christ is a dirty liberal hippie who'd 'let America's enemies roll over us and would be soft on terrorism'. Not to mention that he's also a brown middle easterner.
Of course today's Republicans wouldn't vote for him.
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I mean you could argue that's been true since around 400AD but looks like they're finally admitting it
I've never had an ISP trooper be a dick (in fact, the 3 I've had to deal with were all super nice to me), but yeah, IN sheriffs and small-city cops (IMPD's a mixed-bag) tend to be massive assoles around here.
Thank god I'm white.
And Fyodor Dostoyevsky just laughs in his grave.
A lot of Western Christianity cherry picks what they want from the Bible to the point that they might as well just write their own book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor
You should read it (and all of The Brothers Karamazov)
Like the Book of Mormon?
The fact that a serial adulterer has not lost the mainstream evangelical vote is pretty damning proof of that.
But Jesus is
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