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  • Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Looking at those Wikileaks tweets again and seeing how many replies are from people refusing to believe their assurances that Assange hasn't been murdered, I'm reminded once again that one of the most noteable aspects of this election has been people who've built their careers on cultivating distrust, hatred and suspicion in their followers finding it backfiring when their audience starts refusing to believe them, too. I'm remembering an article I read on the internet twenty years ago about "the paranoid theory of history", which observed that the problem with paranoia as a mindset is that you can never prove anything to a paranoid; all you can do is confirm whatever they currently believe. And I'm thinking to myself 'Man, if only you'd known.'

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2016
    Ive lost all patience for rationales about trump supporters that don't mention foundational, structural white supremacy. It's the dogwhistle made physical form, and if people don't grapple with it, trump-like situations will continue to arise.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    Sirialis wrote: »
    I'm still genuinely puzzled why many wants to vote for Trump.

    I would vote in a literal bag of putrid dogshit over him.
    I can think of 4 reasons
    1. Stupid
    2. Ignorant
    3. Insane
    4. Evil
    That's about it.

    This type of rhetoric is harmful.

    Liberals and progressives must turn the other cheek. You must show love and patience if you want to win any hearts and minds.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    and really even if it wasn't there is tons of historical precedent that poor whites will put social status above economic status. sharecroppers were dirt poor regardless of race. but it didn't matter that the white sharecroppers were poor, so long as they could say that they were white and therefore better than the black sharecroppers.

  • DisruptedCapitalistDisruptedCapitalist I swear! Registered User regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Ive lost all patience for rationalesa bout trump supporters that don't mention foundational, structural white supremacy.

    Exactly. Like that guy in my middle class Boston suburb with the confederate flag. Round here that flag has nothing to do with Southern Heritage.

    "Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Blake T wrote: »
    Sirialis wrote: »
    I'm still genuinely puzzled why many wants to vote for Trump.

    I would vote in a literal bag of putrid dogshit over him.

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

    Articles like this act like bigotry in rural America is a symptom of deeper troubles, or a reaction to those dastardly "urban elites." Trust me when I tell you that for large swaths of rural America, the hate is a feature not a bug.

    analysis like that often focuses on material or sociological context, believing that everything can be understood by finding its relevant socio-economic "reasons"

    insularity and tribalism need not necessary be anchored in a rational understanding of material cause and effect, or a marxist-esque "false consciousness" which is created by a dominant class that distorts perception of such causality.

    people want to feel strong, and important, and secure and in control, even if the reality is very different. hate of the Other and and emphasis on group identity provide these qualities

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    A lot of republicans know that if Hillary wins that's it for getting a conservative judge in SCOTUS.

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    Had posted this in the last thread:
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    I no longer really wonder why people vote for/support trump.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    his first move would be to ask if he can nominate himself

    his second move would be to do it anyway

    Ivanka

    "There's no rule that says a dog can't be Supreme Court Justice."

    You're better than that, Munkus.

  • NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Nyysjan wrote: »
    Sirialis wrote: »
    I'm still genuinely puzzled why many wants to vote for Trump.

    I would vote in a literal bag of putrid dogshit over him.
    I can think of 4 reasons
    1. Stupid
    2. Ignorant
    3. Insane
    4. Evil
    That's about it.

    This type of rhetoric is harmful.

    Liberals and progressives must turn the other cheek. You must show love and patience if you want to win any hearts and minds.
    Once someone is commited to voting for Trump, considering everything that has happened since the primary, i'm not sure there is anything that can be done.
    Either they will pull out their head from their ass on their own, or not, no amount of coddling from the liberals or progressives is going to help.

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  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Had posted this in the last thread:
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    I no longer really wonder why people vote for/support trump.

    now this

    this is right on the money imo

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  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Had posted this in the last thread:
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    I no longer really wonder why people vote for/support trump.

    One of the last tweets there, "[this country] belongs to white people," really struck a cord with me.

    Because I think this election is the end of that notion, at least in terms of the Presidency.

    Trump is winning the white vote by an overwhelming majority, yet he is losing. More than that, he is losing badly- talk of a modern Mondale isn't fantasy. This might prove to be something of a watershed moment for Hispanic voters. If certain states (Georgia, Arizona, Texas) flip, then it'll signal a massive shift in the electoral map, one that would basically end realistic chances for a Republican candidate. And we're only a few decades from being a majority minority country.

    In many ways, the world that woman was crying about really is coming to an end. Or, if it's not the end, you can see it from here.

    You can already see the conservative response, too: the rise in right-wing terrorism, continued attempts to disenfranchise non-whites, and attacks on the legitimacy of our democracy. Like 1964 and 1980, I think 2016 is going to go down as a harbinger for what the next few decades are going to be like, at least as far as the culture wars are concerned.

  • NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    Had posted this in the last thread:
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    I no longer really wonder why people vote for/support trump.

    now this

    this is right on the money imo

    I think it goes bit too deep into "both sides bad" territory in places, but it is thought provoking, and also probably mostly correct.

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Trump is winning the white vote by an overwhelming majority,

    This is actually not true. According to the polls Trump is attracting less of the white vote than Romney did.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-doing-worse-than-romney-did-among-white-voters/

    That's the most recent article I can find, and it's from back when Trump was doing a whole lot better in the polls than he is now.

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "hidden majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "hidden majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

    Or if dems get complacent and don't bother voting.

  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Psykoma wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "hidden majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

    Or if dems get complacent and don't bother voting.

    That too.

    I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!!!
  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "clown majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

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  • Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
    Look, the People Who Are More Righteously Left-Wing Than You have made it quite clear: The poor and the working class can never do anything wrong, and any signs of racism among them is purely a product of economic anxiety. Why, I'll bet that during America's periods of greatest prosperity, there was hardly any racism at all!

    Hold on, I'll go check.





    Oh.






    Oh dear.





    can i change my answer

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Confident Smirk Flawless Golden PecsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2016
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "hidden majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

    Or people stay home because the odds say Clinton will win so clearly I don't actually need to go out and vote

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    edited October 2016
    Kwoaru wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "hidden majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.

    Or people stay home because the odds say Clinton will win so clearly I don't actually need to go out and vote

    In this election of all elections I would think people would want to go out and vote regardless of how well Clinton is going to do or not.

    Because to me, at least, this election is more about just getting Clinton to win.

    It's about sending a message that people like Trump won't be tolerated as president and that the republican party needs to get its shit together.

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    I like your old stuff Steve

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  • DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Hobnail wrote: »
    The only way Trump wins is if there's truly some "clown majority" that hasn't been polled and will vote for him all the way.
    Cut to the November 8th coverage.

    "Pollsters were surprised and frightened as millions of distressed clowns appeared out of forests and swamps around the country today and shuffled their way to voting areas, silent except for the squeak of rubber and occasional honking of horns.
    When asked to comment on their sudden appearance after months of avoiding the pre-election opinion polls, one sand faced clown opened his mouth and emitted a buzzing sound like a swarm of bees from which only two words could be made out, 'Vote Trump'"

  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    The line I hear a lot is that people are embarrassed to admit their support for trump in polls because they're worried they'll be shamed for it so the polls are all inaccurate and once those people have the privacy of a voting booth they'll totally vote trump

    Which is asinine

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    If there's one thing trump supporters don't seem to suffer from, it's embarrassment.

  • NyysjanNyysjan FinlandRegistered User regular
    Embarrasment and shame are really not things i would associate with Trump supporters.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular

    Why would anybody expect Trump supporters to have shame?

  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    To paraphrase Gul Dukat, it's not enough to beat these people, we need to make them realize they were wrong for fighting us in the first place.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    The line I hear a lot is that people are embarrassed to admit their support for trump in polls because they're worried they'll be shamed for it so the polls are all inaccurate and once those people have the privacy of a voting booth they'll totally vote trump

    Which is asinine

    That's one of my Dad's lines.

    Ugh the road trip the first week of November is going to be a thing

  • JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    That just makes me want to scream and scream.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Trump is winning the white vote by an overwhelming majority,

    This is actually not true. According to the polls Trump is attracting less of the white vote than Romney did.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-doing-worse-than-romney-did-among-white-voters/

    That's the most recent article I can find, and it's from back when Trump was doing a whole lot better in the polls than he is now.

    because white, college educated women are decidedly against trump. he'll win the white male vote and nothing else.

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  • HeadCreepsHeadCreeps NOW IS THE TIME FOR DRINKING! Registered User regular
    Sirialis wrote: »
    I'm still genuinely puzzled why many wants to vote for Trump.

    I would vote in a literal bag of putrid dogshit over him.

    Die hard Republican
    Single issue voters
    People who hate Hillary

    This

    Quite a few of my coworkers have this absolute, undying hatred for Hillary; it doesn't matter what she does or says, they'll always despise her and would rather see anyone else in office.

    But none of them vote, so I guess their opinions are negligible :rotate:

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    JoeUser wrote: »

    The new shortest, most terrifying horror story even written.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • PeasPeas Registered User regular
    Horror story or history in the making
    16 more days so don't get complacent eh folks

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    Trump is winning the white vote by an overwhelming majority,

    This is actually not true. According to the polls Trump is attracting less of the white vote than Romney did.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-doing-worse-than-romney-did-among-white-voters/

    That's the most recent article I can find, and it's from back when Trump was doing a whole lot better in the polls than he is now.

    because white, college educated women are decidedly against trump. he'll win the white male vote and nothing else.

    college educated whites of both genders who voted for Romney are indicating that they are voting for Clinton instead

    http://www.npr.org/2016/08/12/489499596/the-latest-clinton-converts-white-college-educated-voters
    In the last presidential election, Barack Obama lost the college-educated white voters by 14 points. But now Clinton is winning this same group by about 8.7 points, according to an average of the most recent NBC/Wall Street Journal, CNN/ORC and ABC/Washington Post polls.

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