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    jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Don't worry guys, basic income is being piloted in Ontario! If it works, surely the US will take it as a good example of dirty, unAmerican socialism.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/289954/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-35-mile-run-on-ohi.html

    beep beep

    get ready for millions of people to become unemployed and all the economies built around trucking to also crash pew pew pew

    or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWS4tTzs60

    Logistics is such a huge industry

    Automation and self driving vehicles and robo-pallets with RFID scanners are going to remove so many jobs at every step of the way

    Not just from the long term cost of not paying a paycheck and health insurance but the ability to move products 24/7 without stop

    A robot doesn't have a mandated maximum number of hours it can drive without sleeping

    Etc

    Fuck

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Basically if you live in California and you hear of a bomb going off but it's far enough away that it doesn't kill you your only option is to get the fuck out of California.

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    As a pedestrian, I am 95% certain that most people who change lanes while turning are not aware they're changing lanes, are barely aware that there are lanes, and will call you a fucking cunt fuck if you tell them they did something wrong

    yeah a lot of people treat lanes like the advice to not eat within 30 minutes of swimming

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    I discovered recently that there's a decommissioned missile silo outside the town next to my town. Used to be a part of NORAD or the Triangle out here in Cali before the missile building stuff at Mather was shut down.

    I'm p sure this means the Russians still have it listed as a target for a nuke strike.

    Which is just great!

    The Sacramento area would get pasted simply because there is a high enough population density to hit it. Most cities over 50k likely make the Russian targeting list because when you have over 7k good sized warheads then there is no reason to be stingy.

    I live in the foothills currently, so I was hoping for some sort of protection from the Valley getting glassed, if that ever happened.

    but now that there's a silo nearby, it would probably still be listed as a target, so yeah. So much for that.

    You're fucked. Even if the blast doesn't touch you. Even if the radiation and the fallout doesn't get you then you need to keep in mind that you're in a moderately wooded area. Take a moment to imagine just how many wildfires would be started by all of the various blasts all around California.

    mdbpjib6hys2.jpg

    I'm sorry, let me give you some of the other follow on effects. Fallout will make it's way into the water supply. So you're gonna need to carefully filter all of your water. Any nuclear plant near you will contribute heavy metals to that nastiness. Then you have stuff like untreated sewage overflow that's gonna make lots of fun diseases spread. Basically the best possible individual outcome after a nuclear war is to be in the blast area and die close to instantly.

    um i think the best possible outcome would be some sort of toxic avenger type mutation

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    You know what's interesting, is like, for example, Roads and Bridges

    Bridges can be really fucking expensive. Standard highway overpass might run $3-5 million. River crossing bridge maybe $100-$200 million. A couple miles of interstate in the Quad Cities, with all the new bridges and ramp bridges is going to be over a billion dollars. More than 50% of that cost is labor!

    So I guess, when you consider how third world labor is like, a fraction of what we pay here in the states, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of things were made hella cheap by outsourcing.

    But I don't really know how much and surely it's gonna depend on the product.

    I don't want cheap bridges made by Malaysian children who are bad at stitching

    Meh I've seen road crews that aren't any better

    But that's not what I was arguing for. I was just pointing out how labor costs are massive even in something involving expensive machinery and massive amounts of materials and lots of shipping etc

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Basically if you live in California and you hear of a bomb going off but it's far enough away that it doesn't kill you your only option is to get the fuck out of California.

    I saw this documentary

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    And yet as a tech teacher, all my cries of "this is gonna be IMPORTANT" fall on deaf ears.

    I remember my 6th grade teacher telling my mom my handwriting didn't need to be good because everyone would be typing in a few years instead. And yet we still do cursive for some reason.

    People are really resistant to letting the awesome robots take over for some reason.

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    GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    but it won't go brum brum desc

    you need brums

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    ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    Basically if you live in California and you hear of a bomb going off but it's far enough away that it doesn't kill you your only option is to get the fuck out of California.

    Yeah, that's not really limited to California. And places where that isn't an issue often have other things that make surviving there harder. Imagine how many people outside of Phoenix will die if there is no longer power to their AC and water delivery ends.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    There will be private roads and raceways that are the dalliances of the hobbyists and the wealthy where they can still drive.

    The Sport of Driving will be much like the Sport of Horseback Riding.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Ah Escape from LA.

    The beginning notes that John Carpenter was just starting to go "meh whatever" in regards to his filmmaking.

    Later came Ghosts of Mars and "Vampires" (which was actually saved thanks to TIG and James Woods and a Baldwin)

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    No, you can't drive as well as a robot. Go pay to drive on a track if you wanna drive. Everyone else will be in the cars 2 inches apart going 150 down the highway with crashes reduced to a tiny fraction of what they were.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    The good news is that if Russia has a hold on the US presidency it's very unlikely that there will be global nuclear war! Probably!

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    lol who the fuck writes in cursive but grandmas anymore

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

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    descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    There will be private roads and raceways that are the dalliances of the hobbyists and the wealthy where they can still drive.

    The Sport of Driving will be much like the Sport of Horseback Riding.
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    No, you can't drive as well as a robot. Go pay to drive on a track if you wanna drive. Everyone else will be in the cars 2 inches apart going 150 down the highway with crashes reduced to a tiny fraction of what they were.

    I bet this is how second amendment people feel all the time about their freedoms

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    The good news is that if Russia has a hold on the US presidency it's very unlikely that there will be global nuclear war! Probably!

    I wonder how things with Iran will shake out

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    NecoNeco Worthless Garbage Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    I write in cursive:

    Fuck shit bitch fuck

    Neco on
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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    There will be private roads and raceways that are the dalliances of the hobbyists and the wealthy where they can still drive.

    The Sport of Driving will be much like the Sport of Horseback Riding.
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    No, you can't drive as well as a robot. Go pay to drive on a track if you wanna drive. Everyone else will be in the cars 2 inches apart going 150 down the highway with crashes reduced to a tiny fraction of what they were.

    I bet this is how second amendment people feel all the time about their freedoms

    I'm coming for your car desc

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    literally cheaper than a 30k a year worker

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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    OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Iran bad, Russia good.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    The good news is that if Russia has a hold on the US presidency it's very unlikely that there will be global nuclear war! Probably!

    I mean I know Trump is a big baby who had to have nukes explained to him, but the vast majority of people around that stuff know what Mututally Assured Destruction is, right? No one actually wants that.

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    amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Neco wrote: »
    I write in cursive:

    Fuck shit bitch fuck

    Translation:

    "Amateurhour is pretty cool"

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    literally cheaper than a 30k a year worker

    Probably with a lower error rate as well.

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    Havelock2.0Havelock2.0 Sufficiently Chill The Chill ZoneRegistered User regular
    my fantasy of abundant trains and highspeed rail and self driving cars and well designed urban centers will never happen

    it will
    never

    happen!!!!!!

    shaz

    stop for a minute

    and just let yourself dream

    i've dreamed too much all my dreams were shattered and have been slowly eroding further over the last month

    realism is needed for sanity

    oh man I missed out on optimistic shaz?!?! :p

    the future is not nearly as certain as chat seems to think it is

    maybe im delusional

    you can say im a dreamer

    but im not the only one

    I hope someday you will join us

    Booooo

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    desc wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    There will be private roads and raceways that are the dalliances of the hobbyists and the wealthy where they can still drive.

    The Sport of Driving will be much like the Sport of Horseback Riding.
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    No, you can't drive as well as a robot. Go pay to drive on a track if you wanna drive. Everyone else will be in the cars 2 inches apart going 150 down the highway with crashes reduced to a tiny fraction of what they were.

    I bet this is how second amendment people feel all the time about their freedoms

    Probably. And it is a dumb feeling.

    There will never be an America where they will be unable to shoot at the range or hunt, much like there will never be an America where you can't get your drive on (in very controlled situations).

    But the idea of driving manually on a shared road will go way out of vogue in the coming decade. Probably illegal in the next two.

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
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    my fantasy of abundant trains and highspeed rail and self driving cars and well designed urban centers will never happen

    it will
    never

    happen!!!!!!

    shaz

    stop for a minute

    and just let yourself dream

    i've dreamed too much all my dreams were shattered and have been slowly eroding further over the last month

    realism is needed for sanity

    oh man I missed out on optimistic shaz?!?! :p

    the future is not nearly as certain as chat seems to think it is

    maybe im delusional

    you can say im a dreamer

    but im not the only one

    I hope someday you will join us

    Booooo

    *grabs Havelock*

    *twirls him around the dance floor*

    IMAGINE ALLLLLLL THE PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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    Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    who dimmed the lights?

    where did the sound system come from?

    shhhh baby don't fight it

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    Evil MultifariousEvil Multifarious Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/289954/ubers-self-driving-truck-makes-35-mile-run-on-ohi.html

    beep beep

    get ready for millions of people to become unemployed and all the economies built around trucking to also crash pew pew pew

    or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggWS4tTzs60

    Logistics is such a huge industry

    Automation and self driving vehicles and robo-pallets with RFID scanners are going to remove so many jobs at every step of the way

    Not just from the long term cost of not paying a paycheck and health insurance but the ability to move products 24/7 without stop

    A robot doesn't have a mandated maximum number of hours it can drive without sleeping

    Etc

    Fuck

    This pretty much has to happen, though. It's going to be a painful transition but it will force the hand of governments who have to deal with unprecedented unemployment.

    After all, basic income was originally a Republican, right-wing idea, and a good one. Get rid of all the special specific entitlement programs, all the regulation and administration and procedure and cruft, and fold all of it into one guaranteed system with less restrictive requirements.

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    CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    You appear to be making suboptimal choices, citizen.

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    syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of people don't realize that at amazon warehouses there are these little robot pallet jacks that just go and grab pallets and move them to and from places.

    Like they've replaced people to do that.

    That's only going to increase.

    yeah when they start costing less than $500,000 a unit, goodbye warehouse employees

    shit, if they just cost 500k/10yr combining maintenance and downtime, with no risk of workers compensation, they will be a steal.

    warehouse employees don't cost $50k/yr here yet

    I'd say you get them down in the $300k range and it'll be over though

    yeah they do; benefits, overtime, only 1 shift a day, probably only 5-6 shifts a week, workers compensation, etc.

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    ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User regular
    you also have to figure things like software bugs taking out your entire workforce until fixed, things like that

    automated workers aren't at panacea levels yet and probably won't be for a while

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    navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    I'm surrounded by robots handling shit in my industry. Have been for about 16 years now. Actually touching product is like, a no-no.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    syndalis wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    There will be private roads and raceways that are the dalliances of the hobbyists and the wealthy where they can still drive.

    The Sport of Driving will be much like the Sport of Horseback Riding.
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    desc wrote: »
    Can't we compromise with cars

    Let me have a little electric Ariel Atom to plug into a solar powered charging station amidst all the self driving pods

    No, you can't drive as well as a robot. Go pay to drive on a track if you wanna drive. Everyone else will be in the cars 2 inches apart going 150 down the highway with crashes reduced to a tiny fraction of what they were.

    I bet this is how second amendment people feel all the time about their freedoms

    You can get a bike! Or buy your own self driving car. Hell, rent it out like airbnb when you're not using it.

    Cars are dumb and thousands of people die every year in them because drivers tests are a joke.

    MOST of the questions on my TN drivers test were about penalties for drunk driving. Not about actual driving rules or laws, just what happens if you get caught boozin' it up in a truck.

    Which obviously you shouldn't do but you'd think the test would test your driving ability, not your memory of how screwed you are if you do a stupid as shit thing. Outlaw cars

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    The good news is that if Russia has a hold on the US presidency it's very unlikely that there will be global nuclear war! Probably!

    China tho

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