I hadn't even seen Swagger when I decreed him to be the next big thing. All I'd done was hear a ring announcer say "The All-American American Jack Swagger!" and I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that an absolute legend had been born.
Dogg you don't have to attempt to artificially generate discussion that you don't actually care about that much
This thread doesn't die if no one posts in it for a couple of hours and if you don't actually care or have a strong opinion about something you don't need to bring it up just because it is something to talk about
Exactly
Nobody will, or at least should, mind if the thread's off page 1 for 12 hours or nobody's arguing or doing some dumb pointless faux """"debate""""" for a day.
Dogg you don't have to attempt to artificially generate discussion that you don't actually care about that much
This thread doesn't die if no one posts in it for a couple of hours and if you don't actually care or have a strong opinion about something you don't need to bring it up just because it is something to talk about
Exactly
Nobody will, or at least should, mind if the thread's off page 1 for 12 hours or nobody's arguing or doing some dumb pointless faux """"debate""""" for a day.
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Again I don't want to promote arguing here just to be clear.
Dogg you don't have to attempt to artificially generate discussion that you don't actually care about that much
This thread doesn't die if no one posts in it for a couple of hours and if you don't actually care or have a strong opinion about something you don't need to bring it up just because it is something to talk about
Exactly
Nobody will, or at least should, mind if the thread's off page 1 for 12 hours or nobody's arguing or doing some dumb pointless faux """"debate""""" for a day.
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Again I don't want to promote arguing here just to be clear.
That EVOLVE show Hero and Riddle did a while back was where the incident happened. The ring broke before the show, Gabe wouldn't cancel so the crew tried their best to fix it for the competitors. During Kaasa's match he tried a middle-rope moonsault. The rope snapped and he landed on the point of his head. Somehow (as he said) he still finished the match.
That EVOLVE show Hero and Riddle did a while back was where the incident happened. The ring broke before the show, Gabe wouldn't cancel so the crew tried their best to fix it for the competitors. During Kaasa's match he tried a middle-rope moonsault. The rope snapped and he landed on the point of his head. Somehow (as he said) he still finished the match.
Rudy Boy Gonzalez was the one who fucked up setting up the ring apparently, or at least he was in charge of it.
Chris Hero and Keith Lee almost suffered similar accidents at the show.
Was that the ring that burned in a truck fire? I know that was apparently the one that would have been used at a PWG show, hence PWG having to borrow a ring that was shitty.
LU/AAA are being pretty antsy with names. Rey, Pentagon, and Fenix are just three names that have to basically jump through hoops in terms of appearances, merch, naming/marketing, etc. because of the company/ies, Pentagon being in the worst position unfortunately
And they matter specifically because they matter to Vince, the advertisers, and the networks.
Just because they shouldn't matter doesn't mean they don't.
Now can we maybe stop policing what posters are allowed to talk about?
Normally I agree re: policing what people can talk about
But we have had this exact same discussion at least once every 3-6 months since I started watching wrestling 3 years ago and it has gotten incredibly frustrating to the point of multiple posters saying it has led to them not reading the thread nearly as often
Like
I ain't a mod but something that is a constant source of conflict and argument spanning years with no change at all is absolutely something I am happy to request please stop
One person goes "hey, I ran across this video on a topic, I'll post it in the thread and see if anyone wants to talk about it"
Then half the thread fucking dogpiles him for daring to do so, because they don't personally care.
Fuck that, it's bullshit and I'm so goddamn tired of it.
Just because some people don't care about a thing doesn't mean that thing can't be brought up. Wirehead did nothing actually wrong or harmful. Don't care about a topic? Then talk about something you want to. Instead you guys choose to shout down any potential discussion before anyone can even attempt to engage with it.
It's bullying and it bothers me and it's making me think a lot less of a lot of you.
Was that the ring that burned in a truck fire? I know that was apparently the one that would have been used at a PWG show, hence PWG having to borrow a ring that was shitty.
Was that the ring that burned in a truck fire? I know that was apparently the one that would have been used at a PWG show, hence PWG having to borrow a ring that was shitty.
I believe that was a different one
Been a bad year for indy rings
It was a different one. They're on opposite sides of the country after all, and no indy is driving a ring cross-country.
LockedOnTarget if you think ratings do matter and are important to the future of WWE and that Meltzer's viewpoints on the subject are interesting and relevant to the thread, that's all fine.
That's your opinion. I don't agree with it, but if that's your opinion, then ok.
If it's something you're interested in having a discussion about, we can do that in this thread, because it would be relevant to the topic.
Except... it doesn't seem like that's what your opinion on this subject is? Nor is it wirehead's, really.
No, it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that your opinion is that the ratings issues are important because of what "Vince thinks" or what "the networks think" or what "advertisers think".
And those are a bunch of people who aren't here, aren't speaking for themselves on the matter, aren't being directly quoted, and who I don't think a lot of terribly constructive conversation can be had about by way of speculating what goes on in their minds.
Like, you accuse people here of bullying or policing wirehead, but the original gentleman's wager I had with wirehead (which he honored, and I paid up on) was specifically to get him to acknowledge how fruitless it was to be constantly trying to speculate on the motives and thoughts and machinations of Vince (especially given that Vince is... yeah...) and to try to encourage some improvement of his posts and avoid the constant back and forth argument about this subject that often derailed this thread before then
For what it's worth, when I offered wirehead a list of suggestions earlier today he just politely took them into consideration and didn't seem terribly offended.
If the man himself is upset and feels bullied he could speak up I suppose.
The very fact that they are important to people in key decision-making positions are why they are important.
Like of course they don't matter if you take away the reasons they matter. It's like saying merch sales only matter to the people making the money, therefore they don't matter. If we are going to restrict discussion about the business that much then I think that's silly.
If you're not interested in talking about that, and how that might effect the product, then fine.
Other people can still talk about it.
This is one of many things people in this thread are shitty to Wirehead about, and just because he's handled the hostility well doesn't mean it isn't still shitty. And it bothers me. People are really hostile for bad reasons and it sucks.
Like have some of you considered that you do not have to participate in every conversation? That if you feel a particular topic isn't valuable to you, you can just...not engage with it? And let people who want to do so?
You guys keep talking about how it derails the thread. But it only does so because people get shitty about it.
The very fact that they are important to people in key decision-making positions are why they are important.
Like of course they don't matter if you take away the reasons they matter. It's like saying merch sales only matter to the people making the money, therefore they don't matter. If we are going to restrict discussion about the business that much then I think that's silly.
If you're not interested in talking about that, and how that might effect the product, then fine.
Other people can still talk about it.
This is one of many things people in this thread are shitty to Wirehead about, and just because he's handled the hostility well doesn't mean it isn't still shitty. And it bothers me. People are really hostile for bad reasons and it sucks.
It's not that it can't be talked about, it's that there's not much meat to the discussion to be had when all we have on the decisions being made in response to them is speculation.
Yes, ratings are low, objectively they are. Those are numbers, you can look at them. Does Vince look at those numbers and think things and do those thoughts influence decisions he makes about the product? Maybe! Probably!
Do we know what those decisions are, or what they could be? No, and that part is just trying to read meaning from tea leaves or chicken entrails (which tbh, isn't too different from the value of Nielsen itself but sssshhhh don't say that too loud around advertisers)
It leads to pointless discussions like oh so and so is probably gonna get the strap taken off him because ratings were low when he was champ and Vince blames them.
Really? Got a quote from Vince on that do ya, bud? Or is that more tea leaves? Pretty sure it's the latter.
And I'm not using an absurd hypothetical, that was a multipage argument in this very thread a while back and it was dumb as hell.
It's why the ratings argument is so pointless, because you can only go "the ratings are low"
"yep, sure are"
Everything else that isn't accompanied by statements or citations, even whispered bullshit from DA SHEETZ, is just a bunch of pseudo-telepathic faffing about and chicken-littling.
That's why people get mad about it. It's because its a non-starter.
The very fact that they are important to people in key decision-making positions are why they are important.
Like of course they don't matter if you take away the reasons they matter. It's like saying merch sales only matter to the people making the money, therefore they don't matter. If we are going to restrict discussion about the business that much then I think that's silly.
If you're not interested in talking about that, and how that might effect the product, then fine.
Other people can still talk about it.
This is one of many things people in this thread are shitty to Wirehead about, and just because he's handled the hostility well doesn't mean it isn't still shitty. And it bothers me. People are really hostile for bad reasons and it sucks.
It's not that it can't be talked about, it's that there's not much meat to the discussion to be had when all we have on the decisions being made in response to them is speculation.
Yes, ratings are low, objectively they are. Those are numbers, you can look at them. Does Vince look at those numbers and think things and do those thoughts influence decisions he makes about the product? Maybe! Probably!
Do we know what those decisions are, or what they could be? No, and that part is just trying to read meaning from tea leaves or chicken entrails (which tbh, isn't too different from the value of Nielsen itself but sssshhhh don't say that too loud around advertisers)
It leads to pointless discussions like oh so and so is probably gonna get the strap taken off him because ratings were low when he was champ and Vince blames them.
Really? Got a quote from Vince on that do ya, bud? Or is that more tea leaves? Pretty sure it's the latter.
And I'm not using an absurd hypothetical, that was a multipage argument in this very thread a while back and it was dumb as hell.
It's why the ratings argument is so pointless, because you can only go "the ratings are low"
"yep, sure are"
Everything else that isn't accompanied by statements or citations, even whispered bullshit from DA SHEETZ, is just a bunch of pseudo-telepathic faffing about and chicken-littling.
That's why people get mad about it. It's because its a non-starter.
Some people like to speculate on things. You don't. So don't.
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Swagger could have been a big deal if he was capable of good promos.
Exactly
Nobody will, or at least should, mind if the thread's off page 1 for 12 hours or nobody's arguing or doing some dumb pointless faux """"debate""""" for a day.
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Same but about the Eagle
Steam
Again I don't want to promote arguing here just to be clear.
we have to if we want to compete with Vince
Some of them, like the ones in actual masks, are obviously kinda tricky
But like TJ Perkins in a wig and bad fake mustache is fooling people. I, myself, had to be told who is playing Chett.
Yet somehow, people still scoff at Clark Kent's glasses.
That EVOLVE show Hero and Riddle did a while back was where the incident happened. The ring broke before the show, Gabe wouldn't cancel so the crew tried their best to fix it for the competitors. During Kaasa's match he tried a middle-rope moonsault. The rope snapped and he landed on the point of his head. Somehow (as he said) he still finished the match.
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Rudy Boy Gonzalez was the one who fucked up setting up the ring apparently, or at least he was in charge of it.
Chris Hero and Keith Lee almost suffered similar accidents at the show.
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Konnan there is such a thing as overkill.
And they matter specifically because they matter to Vince, the advertisers, and the networks.
Just because they shouldn't matter doesn't mean they don't.
Now can we maybe stop policing what posters are allowed to talk about?
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I for one, appreciate it.
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LU/AAA are being pretty antsy with names. Rey, Pentagon, and Fenix are just three names that have to basically jump through hoops in terms of appearances, merch, naming/marketing, etc. because of the company/ies, Pentagon being in the worst position unfortunately
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I'm still disappointed that he never got to face Dolph Ziggler.
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But we have had this exact same discussion at least once every 3-6 months since I started watching wrestling 3 years ago and it has gotten incredibly frustrating to the point of multiple posters saying it has led to them not reading the thread nearly as often
Like
I ain't a mod but something that is a constant source of conflict and argument spanning years with no change at all is absolutely something I am happy to request please stop
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One person goes "hey, I ran across this video on a topic, I'll post it in the thread and see if anyone wants to talk about it"
Then half the thread fucking dogpiles him for daring to do so, because they don't personally care.
Fuck that, it's bullshit and I'm so goddamn tired of it.
Just because some people don't care about a thing doesn't mean that thing can't be brought up. Wirehead did nothing actually wrong or harmful. Don't care about a topic? Then talk about something you want to. Instead you guys choose to shout down any potential discussion before anyone can even attempt to engage with it.
It's bullying and it bothers me and it's making me think a lot less of a lot of you.
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I believe that was a different one
Been a bad year for indy rings
Steam
It was a different one. They're on opposite sides of the country after all, and no indy is driving a ring cross-country.
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That's your opinion. I don't agree with it, but if that's your opinion, then ok.
If it's something you're interested in having a discussion about, we can do that in this thread, because it would be relevant to the topic.
Except... it doesn't seem like that's what your opinion on this subject is? Nor is it wirehead's, really.
No, it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that your opinion is that the ratings issues are important because of what "Vince thinks" or what "the networks think" or what "advertisers think".
And those are a bunch of people who aren't here, aren't speaking for themselves on the matter, aren't being directly quoted, and who I don't think a lot of terribly constructive conversation can be had about by way of speculating what goes on in their minds.
Like, you accuse people here of bullying or policing wirehead, but the original gentleman's wager I had with wirehead (which he honored, and I paid up on) was specifically to get him to acknowledge how fruitless it was to be constantly trying to speculate on the motives and thoughts and machinations of Vince (especially given that Vince is... yeah...) and to try to encourage some improvement of his posts and avoid the constant back and forth argument about this subject that often derailed this thread before then
For what it's worth, when I offered wirehead a list of suggestions earlier today he just politely took them into consideration and didn't seem terribly offended.
If the man himself is upset and feels bullied he could speak up I suppose.
Like of course they don't matter if you take away the reasons they matter. It's like saying merch sales only matter to the people making the money, therefore they don't matter. If we are going to restrict discussion about the business that much then I think that's silly.
If you're not interested in talking about that, and how that might effect the product, then fine.
Other people can still talk about it.
This is one of many things people in this thread are shitty to Wirehead about, and just because he's handled the hostility well doesn't mean it isn't still shitty. And it bothers me. People are really hostile for bad reasons and it sucks.
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You guys keep talking about how it derails the thread. But it only does so because people get shitty about it.
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It's not that it can't be talked about, it's that there's not much meat to the discussion to be had when all we have on the decisions being made in response to them is speculation.
Yes, ratings are low, objectively they are. Those are numbers, you can look at them. Does Vince look at those numbers and think things and do those thoughts influence decisions he makes about the product? Maybe! Probably!
Do we know what those decisions are, or what they could be? No, and that part is just trying to read meaning from tea leaves or chicken entrails (which tbh, isn't too different from the value of Nielsen itself but sssshhhh don't say that too loud around advertisers)
It leads to pointless discussions like oh so and so is probably gonna get the strap taken off him because ratings were low when he was champ and Vince blames them.
Really? Got a quote from Vince on that do ya, bud? Or is that more tea leaves? Pretty sure it's the latter.
And I'm not using an absurd hypothetical, that was a multipage argument in this very thread a while back and it was dumb as hell.
It's why the ratings argument is so pointless, because you can only go "the ratings are low"
"yep, sure are"
Everything else that isn't accompanied by statements or citations, even whispered bullshit from DA SHEETZ, is just a bunch of pseudo-telepathic faffing about and chicken-littling.
That's why people get mad about it. It's because its a non-starter.
Some people like to speculate on things. You don't. So don't.
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For the most part he's moving on from wrestling and doing acting
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Oh good for him!
I hope he does well, he's a charismatic chap.
He's got a great look and voice and can read lines well
Does anyone know what the deal is with Southpaw Regional Wrestling? I mean like, what the motivation was?
I love it and want the shirt, but it came out of nowhere and is just so completely random. Is it a test? A way to sell more merch? Just for fun?
I'd love to know, but has anyone anywhere talked about it?
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Someone, probably Gallows and Anderson, just decided to actually film it
Are you telling me that they've been larping backstage while the Other Larp was happening