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[Healthcare Debate] Graham/Cassidy v. Sanders/Klobuchar town hall on CNN 9P EST

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    I just tuned in, Cassidy is smiling way too much and has an inherently untrustworthy face.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
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    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cassidy things we ought to trust Governors to do the work state-by-state.

    He thinks we're all stupid and have the memories of goldfish
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    And if we as a people weren't the Republicans wouldn't control so much of the government

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    I just tuned in, Cassidy is smiling way too much and has an inherently untrustworthy face.

    Beauty comes from within.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    What about a bill that caps insurance company profits at some percentage and legislating that pharma companies must sell drugs to all entities at the prices they sell to medicare buyers?

    :)

    I kid...
    sort of.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
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    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cassidy things we ought to trust Governors to do the work state-by-state.

    He thinks we're all stupid and have the memories of goldfish
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    And if we as a people weren't the Republicans wouldn't control so much of the government

    I was gonna say "no, that's just his party" but you're probably right. :(

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Earwax removal commercial seems kinda meta.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    It's time for Opioid crisis!

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Wow, that's a brave question to ask on National TV.
    Lady who lost her partner and child due to opiod addiction asked about cutting medicaid benefits.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Holy shit this question is brutal.

    "If you do the thing you want to do, what happens to the next person that ODs with their husband and loses their kid?"

    Holier shit, did he just congratulate her? WTF kind of tone deafness

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Bernie is on it

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Graham, you're not lowering the inflation. You are lowering the calculation you make for inflation.

    It's essentially the opposite.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    States "can" choose to cover x y and z with this big bucket of money - Graham

    They WON'T though - Everyone with a brain.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Bernie is on it

    My stream is slow, but I can see him powering up.

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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Aridhol wrote: »
    What about a bill that caps insurance company profits at some percentage and legislating that pharma companies must sell drugs to all entities at the prices they sell to medicare buyers?

    :)

    I kid...
    sort of.

    ACA functionally has the first part, rhetoric aside

    edit
    www.kff.org/health-reform/fact-sheet/explaining-health-care-reform-medical-loss-ratio-mlr

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    This is where Sanders' delivery really sings. Clearcut moral case for saving lives through government intervention.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Yes, some of that money can be used, but it won't be. Because they won't have the money.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    That stupid smirk Cassidy does when he is putting his argument together is just infuriating.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Man, Cassidy is awww shucksing it up and I can't see how anyone believes it for half a second.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Cassidy is making a lot of huge assumptions about what states are going to do with their block grants.

    I guess you gotta sleep at night somehow.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Klobuchar doing a solid job on the moral/emotional appeal as well.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cassidy is making a lot of huge assumptions about what states are going to do with their block grants.

    I guess you gotta sleep at night somehow.

    He knows exactly what will happen. He just can't say it because it's fucking awful and it's why these bills keep dying.

    Obamacare made it normal for poor and disabled and otherwise marginalized people (pre-existing conditions) to not be screwed and there's just no going back from that. Once you give people a safety net they don't want to give it up...ever.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Graham's closing statement is "Ain't I folksy?"

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    They're gonna give Cassidy the final word?!

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    "We end where we began" - Graham

    That tends to happen when you go into these things with absolutely no willingness to admit that you might need to re-examine your stance.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Graham is trying to turn everybody hating his bill into a positive.

    Also, Fuck your crocodile tears.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Klobuchar's manner of speaking is what Cassidy imagines he's doing as he shows his teeth and what I guess is supposed to be a friendly smile.

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    I'd like to ask Graham why a govt worker administering healthcare is worse than a worker working for a for profit entity who's mandate is to provide you as little as possible for as low cost as possible.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Driving the debt is military spending you homp. Until we deal with that everything else is a drop in the bucket.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    She actually does seem genuine. She seems also a little shaky at points which is how I get when I'm passionate in a debate so it resonates :)

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY FOR EVERYTHING, YOU DIPSHIT

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Is Graham trying to force a tear? It looked like that scene from Tropic Thunder where Stiller was trying to cry.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    I'd like to ask Graham why a govt worker administering healthcare is worse than a worker working for a for profit entity who's mandate is to provide you as little as possible for as low cost as possible.

    Or how one option in your state or through your job that you have virtually no direct say in is better than one option from the government.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Is Graham trying to force a tear? It looked like that scene from Tropic Thunder where Stiller was trying to cry.

    He got misty talking about McCain earlier. He might have gone back to that well in his closing.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Patients don't want the power Cassidy. Patients want the reassurance that they won't go broke staying healthy.
    The don't want to shop around. They want to NOT WORRY.

    Choice is a stupid stupid stupid argument with healthcare. It's not a car or a pair of shoes, it's healthcare.

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Cassidy losing his shit about insurance companies making too much profit is so disingenuous.

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    Ok so single payer then??

    My super-left US coworker is against the ACA because he sees it as a handout to insurance companies, so maye they're trying to co-opt that talking point and get the far left to attack the ACA?

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited September 2017
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Cassidy also talking about profits of insurance companies and pharma companies.

    How is this not a win for Bernie and the left?
    The more people you turn against Pharma and Insurance co's the closer you get to a govt. public option....

    Am I off my rocker or are the republicans ceding this argument? For profit healthcare is bad?

    The whole Republican plan since the ACA was passed has been pretty simple:
    - complain about the status quo because this is popular because everyone hates the status quo on some level
    - don't actually provide any real solutions to those issues but by virtue of you complaining about them the viewer fills in the gap where your plan would be with their own desires for changes

    It's a whole song and dance and they are still doing it it looks like.

    Blame anything the viewer doesn't like on Obamcare to get support for repealing it but never talk about what you'd do instead because it's easier that way and because no one actually wants what you are selling except the right-wing nutters and the donors (but I repeat myself)

    shryke on
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    AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Cassidy losing his shit about insurance companies making too much profit is so disingenuous.

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    Ok so single payer then??

    My super-left US coworker is against the ACA because he sees it as a handout to insurance companies, so maye they're trying to co-opt that talking point and get the far left to attack the ACA?

    How does that argument end with anything other than reducing profits and power for insurance companies though?
    Attacking insurance costs in arguments/statements from both sides helps the left only.

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
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    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Cassidy things we ought to trust Governors to do the work state-by-state.

    He thinks we're all stupid and have the memories of goldfish
    .

    And if we as a people weren't the Republicans wouldn't control so much of the government

    Seriously. I've been listening to/reading people looking at this shitty bill and that stance and being all "Why would they want this?" so I have basically zero faith that people in general get what is really going on there.

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Altogether I think it was a solid performance by Klobuchar and Sanders. Graham and Cassidy were flailing and everyone on stage knew it.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    Aridhol wrote: »
    Mortious wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Cassidy losing his shit about insurance companies making too much profit is so disingenuous.

    Like

    Ok so single payer then??

    My super-left US coworker is against the ACA because he sees it as a handout to insurance companies, so maye they're trying to co-opt that talking point and get the far left to attack the ACA?

    How does that argument end with anything other than reducing profits and power for insurance companies though?
    Attacking insurance costs in arguments/statements from both sides helps the left only.

    Because it's anti-ACA? That is their first and only priority. It's not like they're going to pass a more socialist healthcare system regardless of how popular it is.

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
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