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Vista SP1 RC: Don't install it. [Rage's free technical advice thread, too]

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    And don't even get me started on drivers under linux.

    Oh fuck you linux driver management. Fuck you hard.

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    i like that most .dmg things when you open them even have a little alias for your applications folder right there

    DRAG THIS TO HERE

    installed yay

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    SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    No seriously how does all that shit work out to be simpler than double clicking an icon on your desktop

    it saves time yes, but the rest of that sounds needlessly contrived
    seriously
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    IT IS VERY SIMPLE

    What Nap is neglecting to mention is that Linux-based package managers usually also install dependencies for programs.

    In Windows lingo, this would be like trying to install a program that requires the .NET framework and the installer realizing you don't have it and automatically downloading and installing it for you, prior to installing the actual software you initially want to install.

    Most times, this goes several levels deep. You want to install A which requires B. You don't have B so the package manager downloads that first and installs it. Upon trying to install B, it recognizes you also need C, D, and E. You have C, an outdated version of D, and are missing E. It installs E, updates D, skips over C (which you have) and then installs B all so you can install A, and all without any interaction on your part aside from trying to install A.

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    ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    You misunderstood me. If 1GB doesn't fly with Vista and you aren't gaming, there is something wrong with it. I am sure you would agree with that you being a linux man and all.
    I suppose. I mean, I don't exactly know how Vista is supposed to run on 1GB.

    But, like Rage, I did disable sidebar/Aero (along with all of the extraneous processes I could find) on one of those 1GB machines. It made a difference, sure, but not enough of one, in my opinion.

    Ha ha ha! Man, sometimes we speak a different language I guess. What I am saying is if Vista is commanding more than 1GB of ram to run office and a web browser (which in both of our experiences it does) that is fucked up. You shouldn't need a 2GB system to run the bare essentials.

    Vista is a system hog and there's no denying it.

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    FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I seem to remember one of my friends telling me installing many programs on OSX was as simple as Copying the program's folder into an "Application" folder. Is this true? And does it work this way on Linux? And why doesn't it work this way on Windows?

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Hey guys I've been trying to get linux to wash my car but it's not working should I try a different distro I'm using suSe right now

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Callius wrote: »
    And don't even get me started on drivers under linux.

    Oh fuck you linux driver management. Fuck you hard.
    See, you had me before.

    Kind of lost me here, though.

    What distro was giving you trouble with driver management? I mean, if you were having trouble with anything from the last couple years, I'm going to assume that it's because you were insufficiently experienced to be using that distro.

    I wouldn't go recommending Gentoo to inexperienced users, for example.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Callius wrote: »
    And don't even get me started on drivers under linux.

    Oh fuck you linux driver management. Fuck you hard.

    Well, ndiswrapper and NVIDIA's drivers can go straight to hell under 64-bit, but I could say the same about Windows methinks.

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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    the next rig i make will def be linux of some sort im sick of all these unnecessary processes windows puts on their seemingly with every hotfix shimsham

    windows defender what do you defend you never find any problems even when they are right fucking there you suck

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    satansfingerssatansfingers Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bongi wrote: »
    i like that most .dmg things when you open them even have a little alias for your applications folder right there

    DRAG THIS TO HERE

    installed yay

    it is nigh impossible to screw things up in osx

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Callius wrote: »
    And don't even get me started on drivers under linux.

    Oh fuck you linux driver management. Fuck you hard.

    Well, ndiswrapper and NVIDIA's drivers can go straight to hell under 64-bit, but I could say the same about Windows methinks.
    Oh shits.

    I totally forgot about 64-bit.

    Ignore my post about drivers being peachy if we're talking 64-bit.

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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Callius wrote: »
    And don't even get me started on drivers under linux.

    Oh fuck you linux driver management. Fuck you hard.

    Well, ndiswrapper and NVIDIA's drivers can go straight to hell under 64-bit, but I could say the same about Windows methinks.

    oh yes like ATI is so much better

    ill never own another ati card

    hardware FINE
    drivers

    HOOKER BITCHES FUCK FUCK FUCK

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I've seen some pretty fucked OSX macs around here

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bongi wrote: »
    the os x method of installation is neat but i'm sure it must be deceiving me in some way and it's going to be all GRRRR BROKEN later
    Again, it's a matter of how.

    If the installation package is configured correctly installation and uninstallation are fucking shit simple in any of the three main OS's.

    Ideally, regardless of which OS it is, an installation package will mount properly, install to the proper directory (c:\program files\...; \<user>\applications\...; \sbin\...), remove temporary files, update the libraries/registry, then neatly implement itself. On uninstall it will have a list of where it's libraries/registry keys are and remove them, go to where it was installed (c:\prog...; \<users>\..., etc.) and completely remove itself, then remove any temporary swap files which were mounted for the installation.

    Install/uninstall on any of the systems, when done to specifications, is shit simple.

    However, when you deviate from that norm is when things become a headache. With windows, I have found that the headache can be significantly less than with OS X and Linux; that isn't to say it is 100% of the time (I've installed off-repository programs in Linux that were a breeze to uninstall and I've installed non-supported software in Windows that made me want to reformat). But that doesn't mean that one's installation method is better than another.

    They each have their perks and they each have their downsides.

    The end.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    also 64-bit vista all my drivers and programs work fine wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    Framling wrote: »
    I seem to remember one of my friends telling me installing many programs on OSX was as simple as Copying the program's folder into an "Application" folder. Is this true? And does it work this way on Linux? And why doesn't it work this way on Windows?

    yeah you just copy and paste

    and since the default action for dragging something out of a .dmg is a copy, it means you can just drag and drop it into your applications folder

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Also linux won't fold my laundry right I unpacked the .tar.Z & everything but nope my shirts are still folded all jacked up.

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Haha.

    I borked my first committed Linux single-boot by not setting a root password on installation, and deciding that I knew enough to selectively fucking update libraries and dependencies thereon.

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    See, you had me before.

    Kind of lost me here, though.

    What distro was giving you trouble with driver management? I mean, if you were having trouble with anything from the last couple years, I'm going to assume that it's because you were insufficiently experienced to be using that distro.

    I wouldn't go recommending Gentoo to inexperienced users, for example.
    Ubuntu with an ATI card.

    More ATI's fault than Linux, I will admit. But it's pretty much caused me to stop using Linux in favor of windows, for ease of use.

    Hell, I actually CAN'T use linux without disconnecting my video card and using on-board video anymore. My X11 server is completely fucked (after doing a barebones install of 7.10 or 7.04) then using the restricted drivers.

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    Weaver wrote: »
    I've seen some pretty fucked OSX macs around here

    it's not impossible to fuck it up but i'm still baffled as to how my dad managed to total three installations of os x in about six months

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    See, Weaver is a great illustration of the fundamental difference between folks who describe themselves as "IT", and those who describe themselves as "IS".

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    internet technology and internet sexy?

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    So does Linux have any single advantage over Windows or OSX for the common user

    from what I'm seeing the answer is a resounding "no"
    I would say "no", sure.

    But at the same time, I would say that, if I had it to do over again, I would have configured my parents' computer to run Linux, not Windows Vista. If someone with NO PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE in any OS starts on Linux, some things will be more intuitive for them.

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    SephSeph Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    ATI is shit about 3rd party stuff callius

    complete fucking tools
    dont release shit and dont work with anyone on a professional level

    that's why i won't buy their shit

    the SoE of video cards

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    So does Linux have any single advantage over Windows or OSX for the common user

    from what I'm seeing the answer is a resounding "no"
    It definitely has advantages.

    The question is: What are you looking for in an OS?

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    naporeonnaporeon Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bongi wrote: »
    internet technology and internet sexy?
    Non-developers vs developers, basically.

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    ATI is shit about 3rd party stuff callius

    complete fucking tools
    dont release shit and dont work with anyone on a professional level

    that's why i won't buy their shit

    the SoE of video cards
    To be fair, now that AMD purchased them they seem to be better about their drivers.

    Not up to snuff, but they've got a lot of ground to cover.

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    internet technology and internet sexy?
    Non-developers vs developers, basically.

    so which ones are the sexy ones

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    SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    So does Linux have any single advantage over Windows or OSX for the common user

    from what I'm seeing the answer is a resounding "no"

    Well...

    -Free
    -Better support from the community (imo)
    -Will work on just about any hardware
    -Has the ability to run many Windows apps
    -Easier to customize

    Um, I'm sure there are more that I can't think of right off the top of my head.

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    Non-developers vs developers, basically.
    ???

    Care to explain, I don't quite follow.

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    Blip2004Blip2004 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    See, Weaver is a great illustration of the fundamental difference between folks who describe themselves as "IT", and those who describe themselves as "IS".
    Would this make more sense if I payed attention in my Information Technology Acronym class?

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    FramlingFramling FaceHead Geebs has bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    So does Linux have any single advantage over Windows or OSX for the common user

    from what I'm seeing the answer is a resounding "no"

    No.

    No, Teefs. There's no reason for you to ever use Linux.

    You can leave now.

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    SeñorAmorSeñorAmor !!! Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Seph wrote: »
    ATI is shit about 3rd party stuff callius

    complete fucking tools
    dont release shit and dont work with anyone on a professional level

    that's why i won't buy their shit

    the SoE of video cards

    I thought AMD fixed that issue and are requiring the ATI devs to crank out Linux-compatible drivers, at the very least.

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    bongibongi regular
    edited December 2007
    i picked a mac because it's shinier and os x is prettier (true fact)

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    the ability to play vidya games, browse the internet, and type papers
    The first one, you want windows.

    The latter two I have found are actually better under Linux. As an example, a large amount of Linux distributions come with Open Office installed automatically (though I don't believe they come preconfigured to save as .docs, which makes sense but sucks at the same time). Also, in Ubuntu's case, the integration of their mail client with the OS is pretty fucking awesome.

    Also, if you prefer typesetting to word processing Linux kicks Windows ass hands down. But I doubt you're looking for that.

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    CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I thought AMD fixed that issue and are requiring the ATI devs to crank out Linux-compatible drivers, at the very least.
    They still suck huge mountains of goat dick.

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    WeaverWeaver Who are you? What do you want?Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    naporeon wrote: »
    bongi wrote: »
    internet technology and internet sexy?
    Non-developers vs developers, basically.

    I describe myself as like a mechanic except with computers.

    Windows is the Ford/GMC of the various OSs.

    OS X is the Japanese imports.

    Linux is the junkie little farm carts that you see people building out of scrap metal and old washing machine motors in India.

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