Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
If nothing else, these transcripts seem to definitely answer the question, "Is Carter Page really that dumb?"
Yes. The answer is yes, emphatically.
A trap is for fish: when you've got the fish, you can forget the trap. A snare is for rabbits: when you've got the rabbit, you can forget the snare. Words are for meaning: when you've got the meaning, you can forget the words.
So wait, Carter Page is invoking the 5th on the grounds that he's facing Double Jeopardy outside of the judicial system?
What the fuck is he on and where can I get some?
He seemed to be implying that he could invoke the 5th because of threats to his person, using arguably the most charitable reading of "Loss of life and limb" I've ever heard.
Last time I checked, the Sixty-Third Amendment wasn't a thing. This man needs help, of both the legal and mental health varieties.
I briefly toyed with the idea of starting a humorous “Get Carter Page a Lawyer” Kickstarter, but then discarded the idea because, well, fuck him.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
I believe he's saying that he is concerned the documents may be less complete than they were when they were "illegally hacked from his computer," which may suggest he would not turn over some whose omission may be actionable. And while nothing in the documents he does posses incriminates him, they might provoke death threats.
So, basically, "I deleted, or intend to withhold, all the juicy bits, but I don't know if you already have them and are waiting to call my bluff. Also there are ninjas trying to kill me."
"My -- to the best of my recollection, I don't recall him ever, for whatever reason, you know -- probably the most interaction I had -- or that he had with our team was, in terms of our, you know -- of the informal group, was in the first -- so I believe that Washington Post report came out in March."
He sounds like a goddamn robot short-circuiting at the end of some bad sci-fi movie just before his head blows up.
All you need to do for a PhD is pass some classes, do a ton of research, and present it. Depending on the field you might not even need any creativity or insight, just enough focus to brute-force something substantial enough.
From some googling:
Page earned his MBA from New York University's Stern School of Business, and has a doctorate from the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies.
There are some degrees that are easier to get than others, and... Well, this is a great example. Degrees like African Studies and Women's Studies are only really ideal for professors, in most relevant work fields there are better degrees to have, as _____ Studies degrees are simultaneously too specialized (covering only a subset of the field) and too broad (spanning that subset over multiple fields of interest)
In any of the work Carter Page has done in his life, this degree is doing him as much good as mine is doing him.
I want to make two points here.
Firstly, SOAS is actually a pretty well respected (albeit relatively niche) institution, so I wouldn't call a PhD from there "easier" to get than one from any other institution.
Secondly, the title of Page's PhD thesis was "The influence of semiperipheral powers on the balance between capitalism and socialism in Central Asia: an analysis of Russia's impact on governance and the regional energy sector 1987-2007", so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that may have been kind of relevant to what he's possibly been up to since receiving his doctorate.
"My -- to the best of my recollection, I don't recall him ever, for whatever reason, you know -- probably the most interaction I had -- or that he had with our team was, in terms of our, you know -- of the informal group, was in the first -- so I believe that Washington Post report came out in March."
He sounds like a goddamn robot short-circuiting at the end of some bad sci-fi movie just before his head blows up.
I think one of the problems is that Gowdy keeps emphasizing language he wants Page to use. Don't say meeting, say greeting. Don't say team, say informal group. Page is already confused and Gowdy leading the witness isn't helping.
"My -- to the best of my recollection, I don't recall him ever, for whatever reason, you know -- probably the most interaction I had -- or that he had with our team was, in terms of our, you know -- of the informal group, was in the first -- so I believe that Washington Post report came out in March."
He sounds like a goddamn robot short-circuiting at the end of some bad sci-fi movie just before his head blows up.
To be fair, maintenance of proper sentence structure is a struggle when your pants are suddenly and inexplicably on fire.
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"My -- to the best of my recollection, I don't recall him ever, for whatever reason, you know -- probably the most interaction I had -- or that he had with our team was, in terms of our, you know -- of the informal group, was in the first -- so I believe that Washington Post report came out in March."
He sounds like a goddamn robot short-circuiting at the end of some bad sci-fi movie just before his head blows up.
CIA DIRECTOR MIKE Pompeo met late last month with a former U.S. intelligence official who has become an advocate for a disputed theory that the theft of the Democratic National Committee’s emails during the 2016 presidential campaign was an inside job, rather than a hack by Russian intelligence.
Pompeo met on October 24 with William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower who co-authored an analysis published by a group of former intelligence officials that challenges the U.S. intelligence community’s official assessment that Russian intelligence was behind last year’s theft of data from DNC computers. Binney and the other former officials argue that the DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access” to the DNC’s computer system.
In an interview with The Intercept, Binney said Pompeo told him that President Donald Trump had urged the CIA director to meet with Binney to discuss his assessment that the DNC data theft was an inside job. During their hour-long meeting at CIA headquarters, Pompeo said Trump told him that if Pompeo “want[ed] to know the facts, he should talk to me,” Binney said.
The CIA director meeting up with the president’s preferred sources has a long history of accomplishing nothing good. And it must be a requirement for the job for the CIA directors to be some flavor of untrustworthy.
Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
I love his double-jeopardy argument too. "I got a bunch of anonymous threats online because of these actions, therefore actual legal action on these actions constitutes double-jeopardy."
Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
I love his double-jeopardy argument too. "I got a bunch of anonymous threats online because of these actions, therefore actual legal action on these actions constitutes double-jeopardy."
CIA DIRECTOR MIKE Pompeo met late last month with a former U.S. intelligence official who has become an advocate for a disputed theory that the theft of the Democratic National Committee’s emails during the 2016 presidential campaign was an inside job, rather than a hack by Russian intelligence.
Pompeo met on October 24 with William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower who co-authored an analysis published by a group of former intelligence officials that challenges the U.S. intelligence community’s official assessment that Russian intelligence was behind last year’s theft of data from DNC computers. Binney and the other former officials argue that the DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access” to the DNC’s computer system.
In an interview with The Intercept, Binney said Pompeo told him that President Donald Trump had urged the CIA director to meet with Binney to discuss his assessment that the DNC data theft was an inside job. During their hour-long meeting at CIA headquarters, Pompeo said Trump told him that if Pompeo “want[ed] to know the facts, he should talk to me,” Binney said.
The CIA director meeting up with the president’s preferred sources has a long history of accomplishing nothing good. And it must be a requirement for the job for the CIA directors to be some flavor of untrustworthy.
I would love to see a single scrap of evidence that the hack was an inside job, because while I can certainly believe that their were bernie sanders supporters zealous enough to make the attempt I am equally certain that they would be loudly claiming credit for it.
Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
I love his double-jeopardy argument too. "I got a bunch of anonymous threats online because of these actions, therefore actual legal action on these actions constitutes double-jeopardy."
The "judicial" one is better, he really one-upped Sessions's quantum privledge with
"I cannot release those documents because I would be incriminating myself for withholding documents as you likely will already know which documents I will have withheld."
And now that you know I would withhold documents, I can clearly not comply with the subpoena in front of me. Dude went full Vizzini-defense.
CIA DIRECTOR MIKE Pompeo met late last month with a former U.S. intelligence official who has become an advocate for a disputed theory that the theft of the Democratic National Committee’s emails during the 2016 presidential campaign was an inside job, rather than a hack by Russian intelligence.
Pompeo met on October 24 with William Binney, a former National Security Agency official-turned-whistleblower who co-authored an analysis published by a group of former intelligence officials that challenges the U.S. intelligence community’s official assessment that Russian intelligence was behind last year’s theft of data from DNC computers. Binney and the other former officials argue that the DNC data was “leaked,” not hacked, “by a person with physical access” to the DNC’s computer system.
In an interview with The Intercept, Binney said Pompeo told him that President Donald Trump had urged the CIA director to meet with Binney to discuss his assessment that the DNC data theft was an inside job. During their hour-long meeting at CIA headquarters, Pompeo said Trump told him that if Pompeo “want[ed] to know the facts, he should talk to me,” Binney said.
The CIA director meeting up with the president’s preferred sources has a long history of accomplishing nothing good. And it must be a requirement for the job for the CIA directors to be some flavor of untrustworthy.
Why was the Director meeting with the guy? That sounds like something a lower lever person should be investigating / following up on. The Director meeting with a guy spouting conspiracy theories is just crazy.
And the article addresses that bit:
It is highly unorthodox for the CIA director to reach out to someone like Binney, a 74-year-old ex-government employee who rose to prominence as an NSA whistleblower wrongfully persecuted by the government, for help with fact-finding related to the theft of the DNC emails. It is particularly stunning that Pompeo would meet with Binney at Trump’s apparent urging, in what could be seen as an effort to discredit the U.S. intelligence community’s own assessment that an alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers was part of an effort to help Trump win the presidency.
It is possible Trump learned about Binney and his analysis by watching Fox News, where Binney has been a frequent guest, appearing at least 10 times since September 2016. In August, Binney appeared on Tucker Carlson’s Fox show to discuss his assessment that the narrative of Russia hacking the DNC during the 2016 campaign is untrue, stating that “many people are emotionally tied to this agenda, to tie the Russians to President Trump.” Binney said he is not sure how Trump found out about his analysis.
So the more I read of this hearing and the surrounding details, the more convinced I am that Trump et al were just straight infiltrated and played by the Russians in an effort to influence our election. Like, considering the amount of intermediaries who either misrepresented themselves or had cover stories to "innocently" engage with the campaign and its surrogates, it's entirely likely that no one person on the Trump team was actually colluding knowingly. They were just following suggestions of professors, Russia enthusiasts, business personnel etc, who were in fact all actually part of a coordinated Russian effort.
Carter Page's autobiography/transcript should be titled "Podobnyy's Nerfect"
So wait, Carter Page is invoking the 5th on the grounds that he's facing Double Jeopardy outside of the judicial system?
What the fuck is he on and where can I get some?
He seemed to be implying that he could invoke the 5th because of threats to his person, using arguably the most charitable reading of "Loss of life and limb" I've ever heard.
Last time I checked, the Sixty-Third Amendment wasn't a thing. This man needs help, of both the legal and mental health varieties.
I briefly toyed with the idea of starting a humorous “Get Carter Page a Lawyer” Kickstarter, but then discarded the idea because, well, fuck him.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
So wait, Carter Page is invoking the 5th on the grounds that he's facing Double Jeopardy outside of the judicial system?
What the fuck is he on and where can I get some?
He seemed to be implying that he could invoke the 5th because of threats to his person, using arguably the most charitable reading of "Loss of life and limb" I've ever heard.
Last time I checked, the Sixty-Third Amendment wasn't a thing. This man needs help, of both the legal and mental health varieties.
I briefly toyed with the idea of starting a humorous “Get Carter Page a Lawyer” Kickstarter, but then discarded the idea because, well, fuck him.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
So the more I read of this hearing and the surrounding details, the more convinced I am that Trump et al were just straight infiltrated and played by the Russians in an effort to influence our election. Like, considering the amount of intermediaries who either misrepresented themselves or had cover stories to "innocently" engage with the campaign and its surrogates, it's entirely likely that no one person on the Trump team was actually colluding knowingly. They were just following suggestions of professors, Russia enthusiasts, business personnel etc, who were in fact all actually part of a coordinated Russian effort.
Carter Page's autobiography/transcript should be titled "Podobnyy's Nerfect"
Both can be true. Page and Papadopoulos could have been useful idiots while Kushner and Don Jr could have knowingly helped.
I absolutely believe the Trump campaign helped with the social media propaganda by giving up data that helped them target that stuff so specifically.
Viskod on
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Page isn't fooling anyone ever. He has a tell. When he's lying he stammers like Porky Pig.
Is this for real? If so, that is amazing. That's like God/the universe/his conscious/whatever giving him a very strong hint that this is not the line of work that he should be involved in, and he's so blissfully oblivious and in denial of all ramifications that he ignores the nudging from on high/deep within saying not to do this.
So the more I read of this hearing and the surrounding details, the more convinced I am that Trump et al were just straight infiltrated and played by the Russians in an effort to influence our election. Like, considering the amount of intermediaries who either misrepresented themselves or had cover stories to "innocently" engage with the campaign and its surrogates, it's entirely likely that no one person on the Trump team was actually colluding knowingly. They were just following suggestions of professors, Russia enthusiasts, business personnel etc, who were in fact all actually part of a coordinated Russian effort.
Carter Page's autobiography/transcript should be titled "Podobnyy's Nerfect"
I was coming to make that exact fucking joke! You magnificent bastard!
So the more I read of this hearing and the surrounding details, the more convinced I am that Trump et al were just straight infiltrated and played by the Russians in an effort to influence our election. Like, considering the amount of intermediaries who either misrepresented themselves or had cover stories to "innocently" engage with the campaign and its surrogates, it's entirely likely that no one person on the Trump team was actually colluding knowingly. They were just following suggestions of professors, Russia enthusiasts, business personnel etc, who were in fact all actually part of a coordinated Russian effort.
Carter Page's autobiography/transcript should be titled "Podobnyy's Nerfect"
Both can be true. Page and Papadopoulos could have been useful idiots while Kushner and Don Jr could have knowingly helped.
I absolutely believe the Trump campaign helped with the social media propaganda by giving up data that helped them target that stuff so specifically.
Their entire defense is "We tried to collude, but we didn't do anything, and Russia didn't do anything."
In a world where they then go on to adopt bizarre pro-Russia stances, followed by Russia specifically targeting and hacking their political rivals, releasing damaging material, and spending oodles of money in favorable propaganda for them.
There is no way in hell that nobody knew they were colluding/working with Russia. That they didn't think there was anything wrong with it, that I could believe, because they're all profoundly stupid and unqualified to run a hamster wheel, let alone any part of a campaign. But that's just even more of an in for Russia.
So wait, Carter Page is invoking the 5th on the grounds that he's facing Double Jeopardy outside of the judicial system?
What the fuck is he on and where can I get some?
He seemed to be implying that he could invoke the 5th because of threats to his person, using arguably the most charitable reading of "Loss of life and limb" I've ever heard.
Last time I checked, the Sixty-Third Amendment wasn't a thing. This man needs help, of both the legal and mental health varieties.
I briefly toyed with the idea of starting a humorous “Get Carter Page a Lawyer” Kickstarter, but then discarded the idea because, well, fuck him.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
Page isn't fooling anyone ever. He has a tell. When he's lying he stammers like Porky Pig.
Is this for real? If so, that is amazing. That's like God/the universe/his conscious/whatever giving him a very strong hint that this is not the line of work that he should be involved in, and he's so blissfully oblivious and in denial of all ramifications that he ignores the nudging from on high/deep within saying not to do this.
It occurs to me that Trump's team is actually a great argument against term limits. When you bring in a bunch of greenhorns with little to no real world experience in governance, the people with actual power will play them like a fiddle.
I'm not sure what I find most galling about this whole fiasco at this point; Is it that the US had one of it's most crucial institutions tampered with by a geopolitical rival, that the people that they did it for are so jaw droppingly shitty at covering it up, or that there are legions of idiots defending this shit.
I'm not sure what I find most galling about this whole fiasco at this point; Is it that the US had one of it's most crucial institutions tampered with by a geopolitical rival, that the people that they did it for are so jaw droppingly shitty at covering it up, or that there are legions of idiots defending this shit.
I honestly don't fucking know at this point.
It's worth remembering, by the way, that the Russian source of the Steele Dossier, or the "dodgy dossier" as Page kept referring to it, was murdered earlier this year.
We laugh and we crack jokes, but people have died over this. This isn't just a fiasco, it's a very real, very dangerous situation.
It occurs to me that Trump's team is actually a great argument against term limits. When you bring in a bunch of greenhorns with little to no real world experience in governance, the people with actual power will play them like a fiddle.
On the plus side, he will be gone in 8 years, max. Putin has been in power 17 years now.
I'm not sure what I find most galling about this whole fiasco at this point; Is it that the US had one of it's most crucial institutions tampered with by a geopolitical rival, that the people that they did it for are so jaw droppingly shitty at covering it up, or that there are legions of idiots defending this shit.
The third. Because we can fix the first two (better cyberdefenses and prison, respectively.) But if Republican voters don't care, it won't happen.
It occurs to me that Trump's team is actually a great argument against term limits. When you bring in a bunch of greenhorns with little to no real world experience in governance, the people with actual power will play them like a fiddle.
This is more a case of people needing to be able to cut through partisan lines and assess whether or not someone is actually qualified for the position in question; Trump had zero expierience in any government position or elected office and a clear history of failed buisness ventures going back decades. by any reasonable judgement, this was not a man who could be trusted with leading a nation.
alternately, it was an opportunity for the Electoral colleges to prove that they existed for any purpose beyond over-representing rural voters by concluding that he was unfit for office due to the suspicions surrounding his relationship with russia.
I'm not sure that "suspicions" are enough for Electoral college voters to not vote for the candidate they are meant to vote for, because there's always "suspicions" about every candidate, (e.g. the bullshit about Barack Obama technically not being a citizen)
The voters are to blame. They wouldn't hire a guy with no experience on cars to fix their car just because he was "good at business."
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So wait, Carter Page is invoking the 5th on the grounds that he's facing Double Jeopardy outside of the judicial system?
What the fuck is he on and where can I get some?
He seemed to be implying that he could invoke the 5th because of threats to his person, using arguably the most charitable reading of "Loss of life and limb" I've ever heard.
Last time I checked, the Sixty-Third Amendment wasn't a thing. This man needs help, of both the legal and mental health varieties.
I briefly toyed with the idea of starting a humorous “Get Carter Page a Lawyer” Kickstarter, but then discarded the idea because, well, fuck him.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
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Wow you can read read the flop sweat running down this guy's back
His argument is basically, "I will give you the documents, just not the ones that make me look guilty. That's cool, right? .....Right, guys?"
Yes. The answer is yes, emphatically.
How about purchasing a teddy bear named Lawyer? That'd cheer him up when he's being driven to the jail house.
I believe he's saying that he is concerned the documents may be less complete than they were when they were "illegally hacked from his computer," which may suggest he would not turn over some whose omission may be actionable. And while nothing in the documents he does posses incriminates him, they might provoke death threats.
So, basically, "I deleted, or intend to withhold, all the juicy bits, but I don't know if you already have them and are waiting to call my bluff. Also there are ninjas trying to kill me."
"nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb"
Means this:
"nor shall any person be compelled to twice answer a question if they have been threatened to stay silent"
Which can't possibly be a thing.
So, that’s another one undisclosed from Sessions.
He sounds like a goddamn robot short-circuiting at the end of some bad sci-fi movie just before his head blows up.
I want to make two points here.
Firstly, SOAS is actually a pretty well respected (albeit relatively niche) institution, so I wouldn't call a PhD from there "easier" to get than one from any other institution.
Secondly, the title of Page's PhD thesis was "The influence of semiperipheral powers on the balance between capitalism and socialism in Central Asia: an analysis of Russia's impact on governance and the regional energy sector 1987-2007", so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that may have been kind of relevant to what he's possibly been up to since receiving his doctorate.
I think one of the problems is that Gowdy keeps emphasizing language he wants Page to use. Don't say meeting, say greeting. Don't say team, say informal group. Page is already confused and Gowdy leading the witness isn't helping.
To be fair, maintenance of proper sentence structure is a struggle when your pants are suddenly and inexplicably on fire.
He learned Wordsaladese from his boss.
I'm gunna be real disappointed if someone lets him get away with invoking the fifth like that.
Fortunately Mueller doesn’t seem the lenient type.
If he wants to read it absolutely literally with no context, then let's do that.
In court he is in no danger of life or limb, only jail. So his twisted definition of duble jeopardy still doesn't apply.
Page thinks he's going to fool Pobodnyy;
Pobodnyy was indicted for spying in 2015: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/attorney-general-manhattan-us-attorney-and-fbi-announce-charges-against-russian-spy.
And Pobodnyy thinks he's going to fool Page:
Anyone care to guess in which direction the being-fooled actually went?
/guessing
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/07/dnc-hack-trump-cia-director-william-binney-nsa/
The CIA director meeting up with the president’s preferred sources has a long history of accomplishing nothing good. And it must be a requirement for the job for the CIA directors to be some flavor of untrustworthy.
I love his double-jeopardy argument too. "I got a bunch of anonymous threats online because of these actions, therefore actual legal action on these actions constitutes double-jeopardy."
Who knows? Maybe even triple jeopardy.
I would love to see a single scrap of evidence that the hack was an inside job, because while I can certainly believe that their were bernie sanders supporters zealous enough to make the attempt I am equally certain that they would be loudly claiming credit for it.
The "judicial" one is better, he really one-upped Sessions's quantum privledge with
"I cannot release those documents because I would be incriminating myself for withholding documents as you likely will already know which documents I will have withheld."
And now that you know I would withhold documents, I can clearly not comply with the subpoena in front of me. Dude went full Vizzini-defense.
Why was the Director meeting with the guy? That sounds like something a lower lever person should be investigating / following up on. The Director meeting with a guy spouting conspiracy theories is just crazy.
And the article addresses that bit:
Carter Page's autobiography/transcript should be titled "Podobnyy's Nerfect"
"Get Carter Page a Lawyer, Dog"
Both can be true. Page and Papadopoulos could have been useful idiots while Kushner and Don Jr could have knowingly helped.
I absolutely believe the Trump campaign helped with the social media propaganda by giving up data that helped them target that stuff so specifically.
Is this for real? If so, that is amazing. That's like God/the universe/his conscious/whatever giving him a very strong hint that this is not the line of work that he should be involved in, and he's so blissfully oblivious and in denial of all ramifications that he ignores the nudging from on high/deep within saying not to do this.
I was coming to make that exact fucking joke! You magnificent bastard!
Their entire defense is "We tried to collude, but we didn't do anything, and Russia didn't do anything."
In a world where they then go on to adopt bizarre pro-Russia stances, followed by Russia specifically targeting and hacking their political rivals, releasing damaging material, and spending oodles of money in favorable propaganda for them.
There is no way in hell that nobody knew they were colluding/working with Russia. That they didn't think there was anything wrong with it, that I could believe, because they're all profoundly stupid and unqualified to run a hamster wheel, let alone any part of a campaign. But that's just even more of an in for Russia.
They’re good attorneys, Connor
Well if it’s for real he lies a lot
Basically every time he speaks
I honestly don't fucking know at this point.
It's worth remembering, by the way, that the Russian source of the Steele Dossier, or the "dodgy dossier" as Page kept referring to it, was murdered earlier this year.
We laugh and we crack jokes, but people have died over this. This isn't just a fiasco, it's a very real, very dangerous situation.
On the plus side, he will be gone in 8 years, max. Putin has been in power 17 years now.
The third. Because we can fix the first two (better cyberdefenses and prison, respectively.) But if Republican voters don't care, it won't happen.
This is more a case of people needing to be able to cut through partisan lines and assess whether or not someone is actually qualified for the position in question; Trump had zero expierience in any government position or elected office and a clear history of failed buisness ventures going back decades. by any reasonable judgement, this was not a man who could be trusted with leading a nation.
alternately, it was an opportunity for the Electoral colleges to prove that they existed for any purpose beyond over-representing rural voters by concluding that he was unfit for office due to the suspicions surrounding his relationship with russia.
The voters are to blame. They wouldn't hire a guy with no experience on cars to fix their car just because he was "good at business."