It must be weird to film anything. It breaks my fragile little mind to know that TV and film is not made sequentially. Makes you kind of appreciate how hard this stuff actually is when you take into consideration the logistics involved in having to film a coherent narrative like that.
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He lives with that one lost Cyberman and a room full of crated up K9s.
When did a Cyberman get lost in the TARDIS?
If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be from Earth shock. But when I watched it recently the Cyberman who did go further into the TARDIS came back pretty soon after and was killed along with the rest of them.
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He lives with that one lost Cyberman and a room full of crated up K9s.
When did a Cyberman get lost in the TARDIS?
If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be from Earth shock. But when I watched it recently the Cyberman who did go further into the TARDIS came back pretty soon after and was killed along with the rest of them.
I think it is Attack of the Cyberman but I can't find episode 3 of that story online to check. Somewhere they show several Cybermen enter and one less leave.
Also there is a London beat cop wandering around in there too I think. Also some Sontarans.
He lives with that one lost Cyberman and a room full of crated up K9s.
When did a Cyberman get lost in the TARDIS?
If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be from Earth shock. But when I watched it recently the Cyberman who did go further into the TARDIS came back pretty soon after and was killed along with the rest of them.
I think it is Attack of the Cyberman but I can't find episode 3 of that story online to check. Somewhere they show several Cybermen enter and one less leave.
Also there is a London beat cop wandering around in there too I think. Also some Sontarans.
I just had a rewatch of Attack and there's a stealth Cyberman there when the Cybermen first enter the TARDIS but it disappears after the first couple of scenes and is never seen to leave the TARDIS. It's just, like, stealthing around in there somewhere.
It must be weird to film anything. It breaks my fragile little mind to know that TV and film is not made sequentially. Makes you kind of appreciate how hard this stuff actually is when you take into consideration the logistics involved in having to film a coherent narrative like that.
I only found out the other day how single camera filming works and that really broke my head.
She didn't die. She was just testimonied before she became part of the pilot. The OG Bill as far as we know is still out there with slightly damp hair.
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It is a mystery that she is the original Bill or not.
no it is a philosophical question. Decidedly she is a copy, and the doctor calls her on it immediately, but like... she's close enough.
The whole time watching this, I was reminded of the holograms in Red Dwarf and whether they count as a continuation of the original person or not. (Then it's made more complicated with the whole 'Which Rimmer is what who how' thing.)
It is a mystery that she is the original Bill or not.
no it is a philosophical question. Decidedly she is a copy, and the doctor calls her on it immediately, but like... she's close enough.
The whole time watching this, I was reminded of the holograms in Red Dwarf and whether they count as a continuation of the original person or not. (Then it's made more complicated with the whole 'Which Rimmer is what who how' thing.)
I guess glass Bill is a Bill. I bet Pilot Bill is also still around.
It is a mystery that she is the original Bill or not.
no it is a philosophical question. Decidedly she is a copy, and the doctor calls her on it immediately, but like... she's close enough.
The whole time watching this, I was reminded of the holograms in Red Dwarf and whether they count as a continuation of the original person or not. (Then it's made more complicated with the whole 'Which Rimmer is what who how' thing.)
Dimmer is aware he's a hologram double from jump. From his perspective he's not the original.
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It is a mystery that she is the original Bill or not.
no it is a philosophical question. Decidedly she is a copy, and the doctor calls her on it immediately, but like... she's close enough.
The whole time watching this, I was reminded of the holograms in Red Dwarf and whether they count as a continuation of the original person or not. (Then it's made more complicated with the whole 'Which Rimmer is what who how' thing.)
Dimmer is aware he's a hologram double from jump. From his perspective he's not the original.
There's not so much of it in the show, but I seem to recall some discussion in the first novel around continuity of personhood.
With Rimmer, I meant there's the complication and lack of clarity over exactly which Rimmer we have now - he remembers both the Despair Squid (original Rimmer) and the nanobots eating away at Red Dwarf (rebooted Rimmer). Like, it's not a major thing, it just reminded me of it.
It would be interesting to see old companions react to the new Doctor.
Captain Jack would be a good choice.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but Rose is currently in some alternate dimension with the half-human Tennant Doctor, right?
Yes. It seems like a stretch, but she has dimension hopped before.
Also, she appeared as a manifestation to the War Doctor (and Bill was reincarnated for the last Christmas Special like yesterday), so it's not a big leap if she wanted to come back that they could get her in. And with the exception of Eccleston, every Doctor has met another Doctor. Tennant and Smith with Hurt (and then every one at the end), Capaldi with the recast First Doctor, with no real prior knowledge of the meeting. Smith remembers the vortex to Tennant, and throws the fez in, but doesn't really remember anything beyond.
It's Who. The improbable happens all the time. The impossible takes a little longer.
I should have been more specific. I was more meaning the recent revival/continuation, since Billie Piper started her run. I don't have much knowledge of the previous run, beyond seeing a couple of Tom Baker episodes when I was young, and not really being into it. Couldn't tell you if any of the previous Doctors (the First being an exception due to the most recent episode) had done so.
The Three Doctors: 1, 2, 3
The Five Doctors: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
The Two Doctors: 2, 6
The Trial of a Time Lord: 6, Valeyard
Time Crash: 5, 10
The Day of the Doctor: War, 10, 11
Twice Upon a Time: 1, 12
Those are all the canonical multi-Doctor stories I can think of. So I think 7 and 8 are left out.
Possible additions to the list include Deep Breath (11 & 12 via phone call) and things like Dimensions in Time (3, 4, 5, 6, 7).
I'm still annoyed that they had to "invent" the War Doctor. It should have been 9 in that role.
I get why it wasn't. But it should have been 9
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As a one off event, I rather like the idea of a surprise secret lifetime. It does fit into place nicely, it's just a little unfortunate that the character of the War Doctor we get to see doesn't really justify his erasure. He seems no more monstrous than any other NuWho Doctor. He must have done some shit off screen, but even his Big Finish stories aren't much beyond the scope of a regular episode.
I think I'd have preferred McGann in Hurt's role over Ecclestone though. But really I love how it shook out, because John Hurt killed it.
But Ecclestone's Doctor DID do some shit off screen. His whole season was about him getting over that and finding himself to be The Doctor again, not the time lord who killed his whole race. We didn't need the War Doctor who presumably did some shit, we already has 9 who told us that he did some shit.
If 10 was the one who forgives, and 11 the one who forgets... who was 9? Answer: The one we pretend doesn't exist anymore.
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He lives with that one lost Cyberman and a room full of crated up K9s.
You have to go into a booth now and then.
Also, you have to skip the TARDIS interior scenes when you are on location.
When did a Cyberman get lost in the TARDIS?
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If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be from Earth shock. But when I watched it recently the Cyberman who did go further into the TARDIS came back pretty soon after and was killed along with the rest of them.
I think it is Attack of the Cyberman but I can't find episode 3 of that story online to check. Somewhere they show several Cybermen enter and one less leave.
Also there is a London beat cop wandering around in there too I think. Also some Sontarans.
I just had a rewatch of Attack and there's a stealth Cyberman there when the Cybermen first enter the TARDIS but it disappears after the first couple of scenes and is never seen to leave the TARDIS. It's just, like, stealthing around in there somewhere.
I only found out the other day how single camera filming works and that really broke my head.
It's a trope
I've never heard of this trope. Also, the Christmas Special never states when Bill died. Of course she died at some point; she's human, after all.
She didn't die. She was just testimonied before she became part of the pilot. The OG Bill as far as we know is still out there with slightly damp hair.
What are you missing? Did you miss the Christmas Special that just happened?
You might want to check back and see if you watched the other specials.
Bah, beated by an edit.
With Rimmer, I meant there's the complication and lack of clarity over exactly which Rimmer we have now - he remembers both the Despair Squid (original Rimmer) and the nanobots eating away at Red Dwarf (rebooted Rimmer). Like, it's not a major thing, it just reminded me of it.
It would be interesting to see old companions react to the new Doctor.
Captain Jack would be a good choice.
My memory is a bit fuzzy, but Rose is currently in some alternate dimension with the half-human Tennant Doctor, right?
Yes. It seems like a stretch, but she has dimension hopped before.
It's Who. The improbable happens all the time. The impossible takes a little longer.
The Five Doctors: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
The Two Doctors: 2, 6
The Trial of a Time Lord: 6, Valeyard
Time Crash: 5, 10
The Day of the Doctor: War, 10, 11
Twice Upon a Time: 1, 12
Those are all the canonical multi-Doctor stories I can think of. So I think 7 and 8 are left out.
Possible additions to the list include Deep Breath (11 & 12 via phone call) and things like Dimensions in Time (3, 4, 5, 6, 7).
Specifically 9 says the reason he can't dimension hop is because the timelords are gone so uh good news!
I get why it wasn't. But it should have been 9
I think I'd have preferred McGann in Hurt's role over Ecclestone though. But really I love how it shook out, because John Hurt killed it.
If 10 was the one who forgives, and 11 the one who forgets... who was 9? Answer: The one we pretend doesn't exist anymore.