A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
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There's nothing on my gaming PC that I would care about getting hacked or stolen, and I froze all my credit after the Equifax hack so stealing my identity won't do anyone a lick of good either.
And this is why we have so many zombie computers, folks.
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My understanding was that this particular vulnerability just let them look at stuff on your computer, not actually input anything or take actions using the machine. Is that not correct?
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My understanding was that this particular vulnerability just let them look at stuff on your computer, not actually input anything or take actions using the machine. Is that not correct?
I don't think anybody in this thread will responsibly tell you that it's OK to just not take the patch. Whether you think it's worth the risk is entirely up to you.
My understanding was that this particular vulnerability just let them look at stuff on your computer, not actually input anything or take actions using the machine. Is that not correct?
sure, they can read a username and password, *and then* take control of the PC.
My understanding was that this particular vulnerability just let them look at stuff on your computer, not actually input anything or take actions using the machine. Is that not correct?
sure, they can read a username and password, *and then* take control of the PC.
I mean, I don't have a password on my home gaming machine, that's what the anti-malware stuff I have installed is for.
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A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
Your cpu is affected, there just isn't a microcode update for 5th generation and younger processors.
My understanding was that this particular vulnerability just let them look at stuff on your computer, not actually input anything or take actions using the machine. Is that not correct?
sure, they can read a username and password, *and then* take control of the PC.
I mean, I don't have a password on my home gaming machine, that's what the anti-malware stuff I have installed is for.
Antivirus/malware can't really detect these attacks. It's not really your username or password getting stolen that I'd be worried about IMO, but things like your credit card information. These attacks released with a proof of concept javascript attack that read data out of another tab in firefox.
A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
Your cpu is affected, there just isn't a microcode update for 5th generation and younger processors.
A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
1) I still recommend you check the secondary market (/r/hardwareswap is the first place I'd look; before eBay). With some patience, you can likely find a i7 for a reasonable price. At the least, it will add 1-2 years of longevity. I have a similar build (I'm on Z87 with a non-K i5; motherboard I bought used), and I'm not seeing any major issues with games, either.
2) Crazy talk: my last major hardware upgrade, I went from a Q6600 Asus P5Q Deluxe to a i5 Haswell Asus Z87 and I didn't format my hard drive. I loaded the drivers and utils for the new board and went on my way.
If you're that overly concerned about things like mods, you can move the related folders to backup, then move them back after you install/update.
A question for any of the upgrade gurus if they're bored.
I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
1) I still recommend you check the secondary market (/r/hardwareswap is the first place I'd look; before eBay). With some patience, you can likely find a i7 for a reasonable price. At the least, it will add 1-2 years of longevity. I have a similar build (I'm on Z87 with a non-K i5; motherboard I bought used), and I'm not seeing any major issues with games, either.
2) Crazy talk: my last major hardware upgrade, I went from a Q6600 Asus P5Q Deluxe to a i5 Haswell Asus Z87 and I didn't format my hard drive. I loaded the drivers and utils for the new board and went on my way.
If you're that overly concerned about things like mods, you can move the related folders to backup, then move them back after you install/update.
Oh, I've done the mod restoration before (I did it when I moved from my GTX 470 SLI setup to a completely new motherboard/CPU/etc.). It's just a gigantic pain in the ass, as would be parsing which of the literal dozens of old games. Though yes, with Windows 10 that actually is kind of a viable option, even if one a lot of people would discourage being taken. Assuming it doesn't shit the bed like it did before I had to send it in to get fixed, I fully intend to use my Samsung 850 Pro on my next setup because half a terabyte is still a lot of SSD space.
More on topic, would an i7--particularly a used i7--really be a noticeable improvement? Conventional logic says that it's not useful for anyone not doing heavy rendering, processing, etc., and I know that might be an outdated mindset, but as I mentioned I really don't have that many CPU-dependent games. It was more the fact that it is is a 4 year old CPU. Do contemporary, generally GPU-focused games really benefit all that much from an i7?
(Also I'd need to learn how to use Reddit properly, haha.)
I'm thinking the patches to fix the vulnerabilities are finally going to be the nail in the coffin for Sandy Bridge CPUs. Right now, pre-patch, they're barely bottlenecking current GPU's, but post-patch they'll likely see noticeable performance loss.
So I've been having this issue lately where my second monitors wallpaper always vanishes. I'm thinking it's somehow related to a power setting I fiddled with a ways back, but I can't find it again.
There was some setting about monitor detection or something. It was nice when my second monitor was my arcade cabinet. If I turned off my main display it would default the main monitor and sound to my cabinet.
It's not longer set up that way and I'm thinking that's why I lose my wallpaper every time the computer goes to sleep.
I'm thinking the patches to fix the vulnerabilities are finally going to be the nail in the coffin for Sandy Bridge CPUs. Right now, pre-patch, they're barely bottlenecking current GPU's, but post-patch they'll likely see noticeable performance loss.
I'm watching all of this closely as I have an i5-3570k at home.
So I've been having this issue lately where my second monitors wallpaper always vanishes. I'm thinking it's somehow related to a power setting I fiddled with a ways back, but I can't find it again.
There was some setting about monitor detection or something. It was nice when my second monitor was my arcade cabinet. If I turned off my main display it would default the main monitor and sound to my cabinet.
It's not longer set up that way and I'm thinking that's why I lose my wallpaper every time the computer goes to sleep.
You should have an option in the monitor's menu to revert to stock/default settings. Start there.
I'm thinking the patches to fix the vulnerabilities are finally going to be the nail in the coffin for Sandy Bridge CPUs. Right now, pre-patch, they're barely bottlenecking current GPU's, but post-patch they'll likely see noticeable performance loss.
I'm watching all of this closely as I have an i5-3570k at home.
I understand the thinking. It's a bit hard for me to parse personally because the vids I've seen the past 3-4months are proving that the 2600k is just now (then?) bottlenecking. I would expect a bit more headroom with the 3xxx series. Though, I guess your point is that the patch is going to basically eliminate the expected headroom.
So is the irony here that the reduced performance, due to the security vulnerability patch, is going to increase sales for Intel and AMD; because gamers are going to upgrade sooner than they planned?
So is the irony here that the reduced performance, due to the security vulnerability patch, is going to increase sales for Intel and AMD; because gamers are going to upgrade sooner than they planned?
If the gaming community were any more reactionary, they would all own Jump to Conclusions mats.
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3cl1ps3I will build a labyrinth to house the cheeseRegistered Userregular
So is the irony here that the reduced performance, due to the security vulnerability patch, is going to increase sales for Intel and AMD; because gamers are going to upgrade sooner than they planned?
Only if you assume that a) performance hits will be massive (many look to be small) and b) there will never be a patch down the line that maintains security but increases performance with more optimized fixes of the issue.
So is the irony here that the reduced performance, due to the security vulnerability patch, is going to increase sales for Intel and AMD; because gamers are going to upgrade sooner than they planned?
if anything, i'd wonder if everyone is going to hold off buying a new CPU until the fundamental flaws are worked out. which i realize means a few years while CPU designs get overhauled, but still...
So I've been having this issue lately where my second monitors wallpaper always vanishes. I'm thinking it's somehow related to a power setting I fiddled with a ways back, but I can't find it again.
There was some setting about monitor detection or something. It was nice when my second monitor was my arcade cabinet. If I turned off my main display it would default the main monitor and sound to my cabinet.
It's not longer set up that way and I'm thinking that's why I lose my wallpaper every time the computer goes to sleep.
You should have an option in the monitor's menu to revert to stock/default settings. Start there.
This was either in Windows or Nvidia panel. Not the hardware itself.
So is the irony here that the reduced performance, due to the security vulnerability patch, is going to increase sales for Intel and AMD; because gamers are going to upgrade sooner than they planned?
Only if you assume that a) performance hits will be massive (many look to be small) and b) there will never be a patch down the line that maintains security but increases performance with more optimized fixes of the issue.
I haven't followed much, but someone posted a benchmark before and after the patch for my CPU (4790k) and the performance change seemed almost nonexistent. I've never overclocked it so really I should come out fine since I could grab back the little performance lost if I really need to.
I'll see if I can find the benchmarks. I saved them but can't find it at the moment.
I'm thinking the patches to fix the vulnerabilities are finally going to be the nail in the coffin for Sandy Bridge CPUs. Right now, pre-patch, they're barely bottlenecking current GPU's, but post-patch they'll likely see noticeable performance loss.
I'm watching all of this closely as I have an i5-3570k at home.
I understand the thinking. It's a bit hard for me to parse personally because the vids I've seen the past 3-4months are proving that the 2600k is just now (then?) bottlenecking. I would expect a bit more headroom with the 3xxx series. Though, I guess your point is that the patch is going to basically eliminate the expected headroom.
Yes, exactly. The 3570k is currently doing alright (especially since I recently overclocked it). The performance hit may be too large to absorb.
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I'm thinking the patches to fix the vulnerabilities are finally going to be the nail in the coffin for Sandy Bridge CPUs. Right now, pre-patch, they're barely bottlenecking current GPU's, but post-patch they'll likely see noticeable performance loss.
As someone who can't afford an upgrade right now, I certainly hope not. :bigfrown:
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
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Except that in reality, the real world performance losses for normal desktop applications are looking to be minuscule. Many so small that they sit well within the margin of error. Outside of the server space the entire performance equation has been much ado about very little. There is almost no reason the average desktop user shouldn't patch at this point.
I know, people going nuclear over a nothingburger on the internet, shocking.
The hits are harder on older hardware though and I haven't seen what it does to the 2600k yet, but this has me thinking about moving up my upgrade timeline.
Except that in reality, the real world performance losses for normal desktop applications are looking to be minuscule. Many so small that they sit well within the margin of error. Outside of the server space the entire performance equation has been much ado about very little. There is almost no reason the average desktop user shouldn't patch at this point.
I know, people going nuclear over a nothingburger on the internet, shocking.
Microsofot's own official statements say otherwise. They themselves are saying double digit perfomance decreases of haswell and older running Windows 7 ans 8.x. And "noticable" performance decreases on Win10 on those platforms.
GnomeTankWhat the what?Portland, OregonRegistered Userregular
I would imagine that's because of lack of PCID on older CPU's. Still, even on CPU's without PCID, the numbers I'm seeing tossed around are like 5%, 7%, 4%, stuff like that. It's not the oh my god doom 30% we were hearing early on.
Obviously we'll know a lot more when the final embargo's lift (which I actually thought was yesterday, the 9th?)
The hits are harder on older hardware though and I haven't seen what it does to the 2600k yet, but this has me thinking about moving up my upgrade timeline.
My Ark/CoD dedicated server is still running a 2600k...as soon as I upgrade my main desktop, I'll be moving its current Haswell over to my dedicated server system. This whole brouhaha has me wanting to push up my upgrade timeline, that's for sure.
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I would imagine that's because of lack of PCID on older CPU's. Still, even on CPU's without PCID, the numbers I'm seeing tossed around are like 5%, 7%, 4%, stuff like that. It's not the oh my god doom 30% we were hearing early on.
Obviously we'll know a lot more when the final embargo's lift (which I actually thought was yesterday, the 9th?)
and actually, I just remembered this. I know a guy on a 3570 and a GTX 1060 6GB. He told me yesterday that his average framerates on HOTS went from 80 to 50 after applying the patch.
I seem to having the worst luck this week with computers. Last night while connecting my TV to the second HDMI port of my HTPC I accidentally flipped the power switch on the power strip. The sudden power loss borked the SSD and now it's not showing up in the bios. This is at least the third or fourth time this has happened to this SSD, so I'm familiar with power cycling it to get it working again. Two power cycles last night didn't get it working. Here's hoping a third is enough to get it working.
There's someone near me selling their used GTX 980 for $200. It doesn't look like it came from a (serious, at least) mining operation and the listing says that it was just replaced as part of an upgrade.
A 980 would be a decent step up in performance from my 1050 Ti, and $200 is pretty cheap for a used 980. The 1050 Ti is a little price inflated right now too, so I should be able to sell it on eBay or CL for most/all of the cost of the 980.
Like, at $200 I feel like it's worth it, but I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU.
Hurray . HTPC is alive after leaving it off overnight and all day. The new bios chip arrived from EVGA, was easily installed, and my computer is working again.
There's someone near me selling their used GTX 980 for $200. It doesn't look like it came from a (serious, at least) mining operation and the listing says that it was just replaced as part of an upgrade.
A 980 would be a decent step up in performance from my 1050 Ti, and $200 is pretty cheap for a used 980. The 1050 Ti is a little price inflated right now too, so I should be able to sell it on eBay or CL for most/all of the cost of the 980.
Like, at $200 I feel like it's worth it, but I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU.
You know what you're getting into and the 980 still has a bunch of life. I say go for it.
There's someone near me selling their used GTX 980 for $200. It doesn't look like it came from a (serious, at least) mining operation and the listing says that it was just replaced as part of an upgrade.
A 980 would be a decent step up in performance from my 1050 Ti, and $200 is pretty cheap for a used 980. The 1050 Ti is a little price inflated right now too, so I should be able to sell it on eBay or CL for most/all of the cost of the 980.
Like, at $200 I feel like it's worth it, but I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU.
Make sure the warranty is still good, and get a digital copy of the receipt from when it was bought. If it's under warranty still, who cares if it's used?
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My 970 is still capable of giving me nice looking games, so I'd imagine the 980 being even better.
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I'm very happy with my system (I've got an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW, and it's a very reliable 2610p, 60hz machine). But I've never upgraded the CPU since I bought it 4 years ago, and I'm wondering what, if any, CPU upgrade options I have.
It's an Asus Z97-A. Probably the most reliable motherboard I've ever had, and it has an old (I assume) Intel LGA 1150 Socket. Currently I have a Intel Core i5 4670K (3.40GHz) inside it.
Obviously there aren't that many games were the CPU is a bottleneck, but they're out there. Is there anywhere I can go from here, or should I just go back to waiting however many years I can to settle on a new motherboard, and a new CPU socket.
There is nowhere you can go from there. There is no reason to upgrade to another 1150 socket cpu. Technically you could go buy an old i7 or something, but it's not worth the money at this point (especially with the lesser performance impact of the spectre/meltdown mitigation patches on newer cpus vs the old 4000 series and older).
In any case, upgrading a system that is currently running all your games at a good frame rate seems a bit silly to me. I'd wait until there was a real reason to upgrade.
There are a few unoptimized train wrecks (I'm looking at you Bethesda) that are CPU gluttons, but yes, I'm not going to buy an entirely new CPU just so I can attempt to spawn 60 Stormcloaks to fight 60 Imperial soldier and reenact the Battle of the Bastards in Whiterun.
Plus obviously I can't get better RAM (I could just double it to 32 GB, which probably isn't super necessary).
This is all fine by me. Not only do I not play as many PC games I used to, I have a deep dread of having to rebuild my system (I have an unhealthy number of different games and mods installed) which makes reformatting a sickening thought, much less doing a completely new rebuild. Though apparently we're getting closer to the day where you could just take your boot drive, cram it in a new PC and reinstall all the necessary drivers (thanks in part to Windows 10), and take your chances.
EDIT: Oh wow, I'd completely forgotten to consider that my LGA 1150, or the CPUs that fit into it into it predate the issue allegedly. My motherboard isn't among the listed affected on ASUS' website anyway. That's...oddly hilarious.
And this is why we have so many zombie computers, folks.
I don't think anybody in this thread will responsibly tell you that it's OK to just not take the patch. Whether you think it's worth the risk is entirely up to you.
sure, they can read a username and password, *and then* take control of the PC.
I mean, I don't have a password on my home gaming machine, that's what the anti-malware stuff I have installed is for.
Your cpu is affected, there just isn't a microcode update for 5th generation and younger processors.
Antivirus/malware can't really detect these attacks. It's not really your username or password getting stolen that I'd be worried about IMO, but things like your credit card information. These attacks released with a proof of concept javascript attack that read data out of another tab in firefox.
Oh, bummer.
1) I still recommend you check the secondary market (/r/hardwareswap is the first place I'd look; before eBay). With some patience, you can likely find a i7 for a reasonable price. At the least, it will add 1-2 years of longevity. I have a similar build (I'm on Z87 with a non-K i5; motherboard I bought used), and I'm not seeing any major issues with games, either.
2) Crazy talk: my last major hardware upgrade, I went from a Q6600 Asus P5Q Deluxe to a i5 Haswell Asus Z87 and I didn't format my hard drive. I loaded the drivers and utils for the new board and went on my way.
If you're that overly concerned about things like mods, you can move the related folders to backup, then move them back after you install/update.
Oh, I've done the mod restoration before (I did it when I moved from my GTX 470 SLI setup to a completely new motherboard/CPU/etc.). It's just a gigantic pain in the ass, as would be parsing which of the literal dozens of old games. Though yes, with Windows 10 that actually is kind of a viable option, even if one a lot of people would discourage being taken. Assuming it doesn't shit the bed like it did before I had to send it in to get fixed, I fully intend to use my Samsung 850 Pro on my next setup because half a terabyte is still a lot of SSD space.
More on topic, would an i7--particularly a used i7--really be a noticeable improvement? Conventional logic says that it's not useful for anyone not doing heavy rendering, processing, etc., and I know that might be an outdated mindset, but as I mentioned I really don't have that many CPU-dependent games. It was more the fact that it is is a 4 year old CPU. Do contemporary, generally GPU-focused games really benefit all that much from an i7?
(Also I'd need to learn how to use Reddit properly, haha.)
There was some setting about monitor detection or something. It was nice when my second monitor was my arcade cabinet. If I turned off my main display it would default the main monitor and sound to my cabinet.
It's not longer set up that way and I'm thinking that's why I lose my wallpaper every time the computer goes to sleep.
I'm watching all of this closely as I have an i5-3570k at home.
You should have an option in the monitor's menu to revert to stock/default settings. Start there.
I understand the thinking. It's a bit hard for me to parse personally because the vids I've seen the past 3-4months are proving that the 2600k is just now (then?) bottlenecking. I would expect a bit more headroom with the 3xxx series. Though, I guess your point is that the patch is going to basically eliminate the expected headroom.
If the gaming community were any more reactionary, they would all own Jump to Conclusions mats.
Only if you assume that a) performance hits will be massive (many look to be small) and b) there will never be a patch down the line that maintains security but increases performance with more optimized fixes of the issue.
if anything, i'd wonder if everyone is going to hold off buying a new CPU until the fundamental flaws are worked out. which i realize means a few years while CPU designs get overhauled, but still...
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I'll see if I can find the benchmarks. I saved them but can't find it at the moment.
Edit: Here it is
Yes, exactly. The 3570k is currently doing alright (especially since I recently overclocked it). The performance hit may be too large to absorb.
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I know, people going nuclear over a nothingburger on the internet, shocking.
Microsofot's own official statements say otherwise. They themselves are saying double digit perfomance decreases of haswell and older running Windows 7 ans 8.x. And "noticable" performance decreases on Win10 on those platforms.
Obviously we'll know a lot more when the final embargo's lift (which I actually thought was yesterday, the 9th?)
My Ark/CoD dedicated server is still running a 2600k...as soon as I upgrade my main desktop, I'll be moving its current Haswell over to my dedicated server system. This whole brouhaha has me wanting to push up my upgrade timeline, that's for sure.
Well we did see some 100% on AMD processes.
That seems.... significant.
What a wonderful start to 2018!
A 980 would be a decent step up in performance from my 1050 Ti, and $200 is pretty cheap for a used 980. The 1050 Ti is a little price inflated right now too, so I should be able to sell it on eBay or CL for most/all of the cost of the 980.
Like, at $200 I feel like it's worth it, but I'm hesitant to buy a used GPU.
You know what you're getting into and the 980 still has a bunch of life. I say go for it.
Make sure the warranty is still good, and get a digital copy of the receipt from when it was bought. If it's under warranty still, who cares if it's used?
Go for it!
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Thoughts on this, buying video card later at best price
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