Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Well, we do have one known case in the series of one of her girls escaping and her stack being recovered, but protected by religious coding. So it happens, and has probably happened before. 653 is bad for career criminals in general, so I can see why she would shoot it down regardless.
As for why she doesn't fake the real deaths, I dunno, maybe backups are prohibitively expensive, and she thinks word would get out somehow if she faked it.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Well, we do have one known case in the series of one of her girls escaping and her stack being recovered, but protected by religious coding. So it happens, and has probably happened before. 653 is bad for career criminals in general, so I can see why she would shoot it down regardless.
As for why she doesn't fake the real deaths, I dunno, maybe backups are prohibitively expensive, and she thinks word would get out somehow if she faked it.
Except
all the prostitutes agreed to be killed. That's how Rei is able to hire them. They just don't know that it'll be real death. Except there's no reason for it to be real death.
As for replacing sleeves, it can't be prohibitively expensive since even a crappy low class brothel like Prick Up offers consensual death prostitutes.
And another thing that doesn't make sense,
why is Bancroft ruined? They know that Bancroft was unknowingly under the influence of a drug when he real killed the prostitute. It can be easily argued that his judgment was compromised and he wasn't responsible for his own actions.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Motivation spoiler
She's not charging for a real death, she's charging for the luxury experience of consensual death. The scam is that she uses the religious coding so that the girls are not brought back.
Not because they would say they were murdered nonconsensually.
Because she's billing her guests for the cost of an expensive replacement sleeve and pocketing the difference. At the end of the day it's good ol fashioned fraud.
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Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Motivation spoiler
She's not charging for a real death, she's charging for the luxury experience of consensual death. The scam is that she uses the religious coding so that the girls are not brought back.
Not because they would say they were murdered nonconsensually.
Because she's billing her guests for the cost of an expensive replacement sleeve and pocketing the difference. At the end of the day it's good ol fashioned fraud.
I was under the impression that her clients knew they were real-deathing people and that's why they paid so much. The only people left out of the loop were the prostitutes themselves.
Which seems like a thing that would probably get out eventually considering the turnover rate on an operation like that but... whatever?
As a side note - even if the were promised a new sleeve, who the fuck consents to letting themselves be tortured and mutilated on the regular? That bit fell flat with me.
Watched this over the last couple of days with the wife. We both really, really enjoyed the show. I hope they make a new season after this one. Really loved the world built in here and the characters.
Bonus points for the returning granny and Lizzie's mom. They were really well delivered.
Going by the comments here, it seems they diverged quite a bit from the books, so I'm intrigued by them and maybe I'll give them a read.
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Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Motivation spoiler
She's not charging for a real death, she's charging for the luxury experience of consensual death. The scam is that she uses the religious coding so that the girls are not brought back.
Not because they would say they were murdered nonconsensually.
Because she's billing her guests for the cost of an expensive replacement sleeve and pocketing the difference. At the end of the day it's good ol fashioned fraud.
I was under the impression that her clients knew they were real-deathing people and that's why they paid so much. The only people left out of the loop were the prostitutes themselves.
Which seems like a thing that would probably get out eventually considering the turnover rate on an operation like that but... whatever?
As a side note - even if the were promised a new sleeve, who the fuck consents to letting themselves be tortured and mutilated on the regular? That bit fell flat with me.
What I don't get is how putting someone "on ice" is much of a punishment.
It's like sentencing someone to 50 years in prison, but they only experience it as an afternoon nap. What is even the point?
The only downside seems to be that you're giving up your sleeve, other than that you just wake up in the future in a crappy body some other inmate gave up.
If you have cash though you can just wake up in the future, collect your investment earnings and plug in to a sporty new body.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
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Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Well, we do have one known case in the series of one of her girls escaping and her stack being recovered, but protected by religious coding. So it happens, and has probably happened before. 653 is bad for career criminals in general, so I can see why she would shoot it down regardless.
As for why she doesn't fake the real deaths, I dunno, maybe backups are prohibitively expensive, and she thinks word would get out somehow if she faked it.
Except
all the prostitutes agreed to be killed. That's how Rei is able to hire them. They just don't know that it'll be real death. Except there's no reason for it to be real death.
As for replacing sleeves, it can't be prohibitively expensive since even a crappy low class brothel like Prick Up offers consensual death prostitutes.
And another thing that doesn't make sense,
why is Bancroft ruined? They know that Bancroft was unknowingly under the influence of a drug when he real killed the prostitute. It can be easily argued that his judgment was compromised and he wasn't responsible for his own actions.
Yeah, I didn't get the thing with Baincroft either.
He was admittedly and maliciously drugged with something that is widely known to induce what amounts to an uncontrollable psychotic episode. He was literally incapable of self-control and just unaware of it at the time.
Even by today's standards, he would pretty obviously not be accountable for murder, so the whole thing would be no big deal. It wouldn't even cause him to doubt himself, really, because he would know it was the drug the screwed him up, not some craziness of his own.
Started watching it last night. I'll probably finish it. I like some aspects of it, and I've always been a sucker for anything cyberpunkish. I wish the lead actor was a bit better, but he's definitely good enough.
Despite my earlier post, this show apparently is 4k. There's just no 4k icon for it. I'm still confused by that whole thing, but its really not a big deal for me.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Well, we do have one known case in the series of one of her girls escaping and her stack being recovered, but protected by religious coding. So it happens, and has probably happened before. 653 is bad for career criminals in general, so I can see why she would shoot it down regardless.
As for why she doesn't fake the real deaths, I dunno, maybe backups are prohibitively expensive, and she thinks word would get out somehow if she faked it.
Except
all the prostitutes agreed to be killed. That's how Rei is able to hire them. They just don't know that it'll be real death. Except there's no reason for it to be real death.
As for replacing sleeves, it can't be prohibitively expensive since even a crappy low class brothel like Prick Up offers consensual death prostitutes.
And another thing that doesn't make sense,
why is Bancroft ruined? They know that Bancroft was unknowingly under the influence of a drug when he real killed the prostitute. It can be easily argued that his judgment was compromised and he wasn't responsible for his own actions.
Yeah, I didn't get the thing with Baincroft either.
He was admittedly and maliciously drugged with something that is widely known to induce what amounts to an uncontrollable psychotic episode. He was literally incapable of self-control and just unaware of it at the time.
Even by today's standards, he would pretty obviously not be accountable for murder, so the whole thing would be no big deal. It wouldn't even cause him to doubt himself, really, because he would know it was the drug the screwed him up, not some craziness of his own.
I think the big deal is not so much that he true death killed that girl after being spiked by a drug, his comment to his wife that "we have ruined each other"
was more from the fact that they were both manipulated into a criminal conspiracy to influence the vote of law that would greatly damage Rei's criminal enterprises.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
There is also the fact that
Everybody knows about the stacks and the customers probably paid extra for the chance to torture somebody so badly the stacks broke. Real Death every time. That is how it is in the books. The girl who jumped learned that the voluntary re-sleving spiel was bullshit and that is why she jumped.
The consensual killing at the party was how it was supposed to be. Just plain Organic Damage with re-sleeving afterwards, but for some sick fucks that isn't enough. Its RD or nothing and that is what Rei Provides.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
What I don't get is how putting someone "on ice" is much of a punishment.
It's like sentencing someone to 50 years in prison, but they only experience it as an afternoon nap. What is even the point?
They make it clear that you become a slave to be lent out for the period if opportunity arises. I doubt people stay on ice for long unless they are useless. And then when you get out, you get a severely deteriorated body "whats available" or worse, whats left of your original body that the govt had also been renting out.
What was up with the 7 year old in the older woman's body?
The 7 year old got killed in a hit and run or something not her fault and the government was obligated to give her a new sleeve. So she got "old and busted" since the government ain't doing anyone real favors.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
Except that has nothing to do with her current motivation.
What does her manipulating Bancroft to oppose 653 have to do with her past crimes? Did she change the religious affiliation of everyone she's committed a crime against to prevent them from spun up?
As for new sleeves being a huge financial burden, Rei is getting paid a shit ton of money by her clients. There are already services that offer people the chance to commit sleeve murder, and a service offering sleeve murder must be getting paid enough to cover the cost of new sleeves for the victims being murdered. And Rei's service to offer clients a chance to commit real murder is higher class than those. So Rei must be getting paid more than enough to give new sleeves to the people being killed.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
There is also the fact that
Everybody knows about the stacks and the customers probably paid extra for the chance to torture somebody so badly the stacks broke. Real Death every time. That is how it is in the books. The girl who jumped learned that the voluntary re-sleving spiel was bullshit and that is why she jumped.
The consensual killing at the party was how it was supposed to be. Just plain Organic Damage with re-sleeving afterwards, but for some sick fucks that isn't enough. Its RD or nothing and that is what Rei Provides.
That's one reason why Rei's plan made no sense.
If the stack gets destroyed every time, why does 653 matter? They can't spin up a destroyed stack.
If the stack gets destroyed every time, why does 653 matter? They can't spin up a destroyed stack.
Mary Lou Henchy, that's why. Between her and anyone else who might get away before their stack gets fragged, she has to make sure that killed stacks can't testify against her.
If the stack gets destroyed every time, why does 653 matter? They can't spin up a destroyed stack.
Mary Lou Henchy, that's why. Between her and anyone else who might get away before their stack gets fragged, she has to make sure that killed stacks can't testify against her.
Except
Mary Lou Henchy can't be the reason for Rei's plan because she was killed during the implementation of Rei's plan.
Also, the whole point of her brothel is that the prostitutes don't know that they're going to be real killed. How do they get away if they're killed? If they're killed, their stacks are destroyed anyway. If they get away, either Rei catches them and destroy the stack, in which case 653 doesn't matter. Or they get away and expose Rei, in which case 653 doesn't matter either.
If the stack gets destroyed every time, why does 653 matter? They can't spin up a destroyed stack.
Mary Lou Henchy, that's why. Between her and anyone else who might get away before their stack gets fragged, she has to make sure that killed stacks can't testify against her.
Except
Mary Lou Henchy can't be the reason for Rei's plan because she was killed during the implementation of Rei's plan.
Also, the whole point of her brothel is that the prostitutes don't know that they're going to be real killed. How do they get away if they're killed? If they're killed, their stacks are destroyed anyway. If they get away, either Rei catches them and destroy the stack, in which case 653 doesn't matter. Or they get away and expose Rei, in which case 653 doesn't matter either.
653 was to manipulate Bancroft, I think. He thought he was covering up his crime, but he was just getting wound up tight with Rei so she could use him to get Tak out.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
Except that has nothing to do with her current motivation.
What does her manipulating Bancroft to oppose 653 have to do with her past crimes? Did she change the religious affiliation of everyone she's committed a crime against to prevent them from spun up?
As for new sleeves being a huge financial burden, Rei is getting paid a shit ton of money by her clients. There are already services that offer people the chance to commit sleeve murder, and a service offering sleeve murder must be getting paid enough to cover the cost of new sleeves for the victims being murdered. And Rei's service to offer clients a chance to commit real murder is higher class than those. So Rei must be getting paid more than enough to give new sleeves to the people being killed.
Yes, that was the point of the scam. Unless those victims are spun up, she's protected.
Her clients seemed like Meths, or well to do to me. That was her client base.
The services the government provides the poor and middle class are terrible by default. Look at the sleeves they gave to that 7 year old girl who died. They don't care about the lower classes, only the Meths. That's why the Meths are able to have the best sleeves and sleeve tech. It's a monopoly, which the government is either forced or bribed into following their orders.
There's one thing with Miriam Bancroft that was toned down/rewritten for the show.
In the book, there's some prostitute Bancroft knocks up, and Miriam beats her so hard she loses the child. The show treats it as miscarriage due to assault, in the book it's murder due to causing Real Death.
That character got merged into Lizzie. In the book that character got bought off by Miriam and is in her new luxury sleeve.
She goes from catatonic to killing-machine over the span of a few weeks.
I know Poe was teaching her self-defense and empowering her through martial training, but her emergence from VR as some kinda kung-fu super-assassin just felt really outta left field.
She goes from catatonic to killing-machine over the span of a few weeks.
I know Poe was teaching her self-defense and empowering her through martial training, but her emergence from VR as some kinda kung-fu super-assassin just felt really outta left field.
She explained that
Poe figured out virtual time dilation. She had been training and going to therapy for months.
She goes from catatonic to killing-machine over the span of a few weeks.
I know Poe was teaching her self-defense and empowering her through martial training, but her emergence from VR as some kinda kung-fu super-assassin just felt really outta left field.
Virtual reality in the setting can be cranked up until a month subjective time is an day in the real world. It takes a powerful computer to do it and it requires much of its system memory.
Poe being an AI is powerful enough to do it and Lizze mentions it when she meet her mother the first time. Its only been weeks in the real, but she has been training for months already.
Also High end Synth sleves like the one that Lizzie slevees into can surpass human limitations easily. Look at Ortega and her new high end robot hand and then extrapolate that to an entire body.
What I don't like about the show is:
How easily stacks get destroyed. In the book when Kovacs goes on a rampage in the clinic, he makes a point to go back and destroy the stacks. Like its hard to destroy them unless you are up close and specifically targeting them.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
How easily stacks get destroyed. In the book when Kovacs goes on a rampage in the clinic, he makes a point to go back and destroy the stacks. Like its hard to destroy them unless you are up close and specifically targeting them.
I was hoping the Sunjet would be more like it is in the books - he uses it as a flamethrower to torch the corpses from the shoulders and up. In the show it's more like a pistol that shoots plasma bolts that go through people.
edit: he also did that to hide that he took the head.
If the stack gets destroyed every time, why does 653 matter? They can't spin up a destroyed stack.
Mary Lou Henchy, that's why. Between her and anyone else who might get away before their stack gets fragged, she has to make sure that killed stacks can't testify against her.
Except
Mary Lou Henchy can't be the reason for Rei's plan because she was killed during the implementation of Rei's plan.
Also, the whole point of her brothel is that the prostitutes don't know that they're going to be real killed. How do they get away if they're killed? If they're killed, their stacks are destroyed anyway. If they get away, either Rei catches them and destroy the stack, in which case 653 doesn't matter. Or they get away and expose Rei, in which case 653 doesn't matter either.
General, not specific.
Mary Lou Henchy wasn't the specific reason for the policy, but she was an example of why it was needed. Rei is a Meth and thinks five moves ahead. She knows that sometimes you have to silence a witness but can't RD them. With the policy, if someone LIKE Mary Lou manages to get away before being iced and ends up, say, in a police morgue, Rei is covered.
The one thing that bothered me a lot about the show was the scene in
Rei's
clone vault.
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Why would a Meth like Rei spin up her clones one at a time to fight Ortega? I can see the first, to prove dominance, but once you establish that the cop has a fucking robot arm and a gun, why don't you, I don't know, call your guards? Spin up in your Cyberdine T-900 titanium alloy combat sleeve?
Yeah, I appreciate me some naked Dichen Lachman, I won't lie, but even she mentioned how much money the fight was costing. Dude, spin up one of your offsite sleeves. Tak saw her vault of stalker personas, so go there.
That is one reason why I don't buy that Rei is dead for real. They corrupted her upload, but why wouldn't someone like Rei have a backup to her backup? Maybe not completely up to date, but a failsafe with enough resources to get back up to speed.
I'd kinda like to see a redemption arc with Rei, suffering memory loss in a child clone of herself that Tak finds and has to care for while struggling with his own demons.
Having seen the whole series, I don't think the plot makes sense.
So, Rei runs a high class brothel "Head in the Clouds" where clients can kill people for real. And Rei covers up her operations by bribing some government bureaucrats to change the records to say that the victims wants to stay dead after their sleeve death. But her operations are threatened by a newly proposed UN law, 653, that would allow authorities to spin up the stacks of murder victims even if the victims signed documents saying that they want to stay dead. So Rei contrives of the whole plot to manipulate Bancroft into opposing 653 so it doesn't pass.
Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
Even if Rei altered her business to be legal, what she did in the past would still be breaking the law and she'd be punished.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
Except that has nothing to do with her current motivation.
What does her manipulating Bancroft to oppose 653 have to do with her past crimes? Did she change the religious affiliation of everyone she's committed a crime against to prevent them from spun up?
As for new sleeves being a huge financial burden, Rei is getting paid a shit ton of money by her clients. There are already services that offer people the chance to commit sleeve murder, and a service offering sleeve murder must be getting paid enough to cover the cost of new sleeves for the victims being murdered. And Rei's service to offer clients a chance to commit real murder is higher class than those. So Rei must be getting paid more than enough to give new sleeves to the people being killed.
Yes, that was the point of the scam. Unless those victims are spun up, she's protected.
Her clients seemed like Meths, or well to do to me. That was her client base.
The services the government provides the poor and middle class are terrible by default. Look at the sleeves they gave to that 7 year old girl who died. They don't care about the lower classes, only the Meths. That's why the Meths are able to have the best sleeves and sleeve tech. It's a monopoly, which the government is either forced or bribed into following their orders.
They specifically mention that the Meths
have reached a point where they need services that life does not provide. To someone who is effectively immortal, committing real death must be an amazing thrill opportunity, especially when you look at them like fireflies like Rei did. Bancroft was hurting the prostitutes in that dive, and I think killing them, but they always got a top quality sleeve in the bargain and he felt clean because they're not really dead.
Why would a Meth like Rei spin up her clones one at a time to fight Ortega? I can see the first, to prove dominance, but once you establish that the cop has a fucking robot arm and a gun, why don't you, I don't know, call your guards? Spin up in your Cyberdine T-900 titanium alloy combat sleeve?
Yeah, I appreciate me some naked Dichen Lachman, I won't lie, but even she mentioned how much money the fight was costing. Dude, spin up one of your offsite sleeves. Tak saw her vault of stalker personas, so go there.
That is one reason why I don't buy that Rei is dead for real. They corrupted her upload, but why wouldn't someone like Rei have a backup to her backup? Maybe not completely up to date, but a failsafe with enough resources to get back up to speed.
I'd kinda like to see a redemption arc with Rei, suffering memory loss in a child clone of herself that Tak finds and has to care for while struggling with his own demons.
Multi-sleeving means one or more copies running at once, which is different from just uploading and downloading in a new sleeve.
Though even in the book I wondered why it wasn't more common, if a human mind could be fully digitized and sent all over the place. Sure, getting the extra sleeves is a hassle, but making copies should be easy.
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I kinda figured that he'd just clone a new sleeve off the version of his old sleeve he killed at the Fight Drome. It's right there, he's got $Bancroft to pay for it. It was clearly a body he was attached to.
I just finished it up tonight. Fucking loved it.
I'm in kind of a different position from most the thread, in that I read the original. And I loved it so much I read the other two. And I loved those a little less, but still so much that I went out and bought some of Richard K. Morgan's other books and...
It turns out he's kind of a shit writer that captured lightning in a bottle with Altered Carbon and to a lesser degree with the sequels, but I'm not sure he's written another good book since. The one about the Executive Mad Max world was so bad I never had it in me to read Th13teen (or however it's spelled) when my girlfriend for it for me and I was afraid to go back and read the Altered Carbon series because I really didn't feel like the second two would hold up.
So I didn't really remember much about the book going into the series other than the broad strokes. I was roughly aware of the changes they made but I feel like they mostly work?
Full season spoilers:
The biggest being merging his sister with the main villian but I really felt like that worked. Split personality traits and all. Which I felt that they seeded plenty to excuse the weaker aspects of the writing with corrupt Meths and personality fragmentation from resleeving too much.
I'm gonna catch up on this thread and chew on it for a little, but I think I really liked it. I have no idea where they're going or where I want them to go even. There's some really neat bits from the next two books, but they're also kind of a gigantic fucking mess so I'm halfway to just wanting them to go murder mystery anthology with this. Have an overarching subplot with the quest they dropped for him at the end of this season but let's just do Cyberpunk Columbo maybe?
I'm gonna catch up on this thread and chew on it for a little, but I think I really liked it. I have no idea where they're going or where I want them to go even. There's some really neat bits from the next two books, but they're also kind of a gigantic fucking mess so I'm halfway to just wanting them to go murder mystery anthology with this. Have an overarching subplot with the quest they dropped for him at the end of this season but let's just do Cyberpunk Columbo maybe?
It's worth noting that if they choose not to directly adapt the other books into sequels, there are very large stretches of time between each of the novels. They could easily use those stretches of time, to develop their own storylines if they so choose.
Book two is more of a military action romp than cyberpunk whodunit story, so it's a pretty big thematic departure from season 1.
Also general show musings:
They sure namedropped the alien civilization a lot, that was barely mentioned at all in the first book other than the songspires. The show also had some throwaway line about the cortical stacks being based on alien technology, which I'm pretty sure was never mentioned at all in the books.
Also the intro sequence actually very prominently features the alien fossil the Bancrofts show off at the end, we just can't make that connection until Miriam tells us what it is. Wondering if future seasons will focus a lot more on the elder civilization.
I hope Ortega works out it makes no sense for the killer lady to keep a kid locked in her vault in another 5 seconds, maybe 8 because of the distracting stab wound.
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I hope Ortega works out it makes no sense for the killer lady to keep a kid locked in her vault in another 5 seconds, maybe 8 because of the distracting stab wound.
She has comments about that later.
They are not happy comments.
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I kinda figured that he'd just clone a new sleeve off the version of his old sleeve he killed at the Fight Drome. It's right there, he's got $Bancroft to pay for it. It was clearly a body he was attached to.
I just finished it up tonight. Fucking loved it.
I'm in kind of a different position from most the thread, in that I read the original. And I loved it so much I read the other two. And I loved those a little less, but still so much that I went out and bought some of Richard K. Morgan's other books and...
It turns out he's kind of a shit writer that captured lightning in a bottle with Altered Carbon and to a lesser degree with the sequels, but I'm not sure he's written another good book since. The one about the Executive Mad Max world was so bad I never had it in me to read Th13teen (or however it's spelled) when my girlfriend for it for me and I was afraid to go back and read the Altered Carbon series because I really didn't feel like the second two would hold up.
So I didn't really remember much about the book going into the series other than the broad strokes. I was roughly aware of the changes they made but I feel like they mostly work?
Full season spoilers:
The biggest being merging his sister with the main villian but I really felt like that worked. Split personality traits and all. Which I felt that they seeded plenty to excuse the weaker aspects of the writing with corrupt Meths and personality fragmentation from resleeving too much.
I'm gonna catch up on this thread and chew on it for a little, but I think I really liked it. I have no idea where they're going or where I want them to go even. There's some really neat bits from the next two books, but they're also kind of a gigantic fucking mess so I'm halfway to just wanting them to go murder mystery anthology with this. Have an overarching subplot with the quest they dropped for him at the end of this season but let's just do Cyberpunk Columbo maybe?
Thirteen was published originally as Black Man in the UK; blame shitty NA publishing for swapping the title. It might be my favorite of his stuff.
Morgan also wrote a fantasy trilogy in A Land Fit for Heroes, and that was generally well-reviewed
Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
What I don't get is how putting someone "on ice" is much of a punishment.
It's like sentencing someone to 50 years in prison, but they only experience it as an afternoon nap. What is even the point?
The show makes it kind of plain the only real interest here is gaining people's sleeves and the justice system helps supply that market, punishment and justice doesn't really come into it.
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Except they establish that consensual death is legal. There was the married anti-grav fighters who could kill each other because they had a deal where they would get resleeved. The Prick Up prostitute also mentions how Bancroft has killed prostitutes before but it was fine since he gave them an upgraded sleeve.
So how does any of Rei's clients know that they're killing their victims for real? What's to stop Rei from just resleeving them and making the whole operation legal? Do her clients keep track of their victims to make sure that they don't get resleeved?
The only way the clients know that they're killing for real is if they destroy the stack. But if that's the case then what's the point of opposing 653? If the stack is destroyed then it can't be spun up anyway so it doesn't matter if the law gets passed.
They also establish that you can back up someone's stack without them knowing. So even if Rei's clients destroy the stacks, Rei could just back them up beforehand and copy the person into another stack. The original person would die but the copied stack could be resleeved and take the place of the original, and no one would know.
As for why she doesn't fake the real deaths, I dunno, maybe backups are prohibitively expensive, and she thinks word would get out somehow if she faked it.
Except
As for replacing sleeves, it can't be prohibitively expensive since even a crappy low class brothel like Prick Up offers consensual death prostitutes.
And another thing that doesn't make sense,
It's like sentencing someone to 50 years in prison, but they only experience it as an afternoon nap. What is even the point?
Motivation spoiler
Not because they would say they were murdered nonconsensually.
Because she's billing her guests for the cost of an expensive replacement sleeve and pocketing the difference. At the end of the day it's good ol fashioned fraud.
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Which seems like a thing that would probably get out eventually considering the turnover rate on an operation like that but... whatever?
As a side note - even if the were promised a new sleeve, who the fuck consents to letting themselves be tortured and mutilated on the regular? That bit fell flat with me.
Going by the comments here, it seems they diverged quite a bit from the books, so I'm intrigued by them and maybe I'll give them a read.
Poor people will do anything to not be poor.
The only downside seems to be that you're giving up your sleeve, other than that you just wake up in the future in a crappy body some other inmate gave up.
If you have cash though you can just wake up in the future, collect your investment earnings and plug in to a sporty new body.
Being spun up/given a new sleeve after death is a huge financial burden, that's why the poor and middle class don't do it as much. The detective was in debt from resleeving her grandma temporarily every year and that wasn't a common thing IIRC. That's why it's not a big deal in theory, yet in practice what's stopping them being resleeved isn't the technology, it's the money to do it.
Yeah, I didn't get the thing with Baincroft either.
Even by today's standards, he would pretty obviously not be accountable for murder, so the whole thing would be no big deal. It wouldn't even cause him to doubt himself, really, because he would know it was the drug the screwed him up, not some craziness of his own.
Despite my earlier post, this show apparently is 4k. There's just no 4k icon for it. I'm still confused by that whole thing, but its really not a big deal for me.
was more from the fact that they were both manipulated into a criminal conspiracy to influence the vote of law that would greatly damage Rei's criminal enterprises.
There is also the fact that
The consensual killing at the party was how it was supposed to be. Just plain Organic Damage with re-sleeving afterwards, but for some sick fucks that isn't enough. Its RD or nothing and that is what Rei Provides.
They make it clear that you become a slave to be lent out for the period if opportunity arises. I doubt people stay on ice for long unless they are useless. And then when you get out, you get a severely deteriorated body "whats available" or worse, whats left of your original body that the govt had also been renting out.
By law, everyone gets a second sleeve when they die.
But if you're poor you just get whatever sleeve is available, not necessarily whatever sleeve is appropriate.
The 7 year old got killed in a hit and run or something not her fault and the government was obligated to give her a new sleeve. So she got "old and busted" since the government ain't doing anyone real favors.
Except that has nothing to do with her current motivation.
As for new sleeves being a huge financial burden, Rei is getting paid a shit ton of money by her clients. There are already services that offer people the chance to commit sleeve murder, and a service offering sleeve murder must be getting paid enough to cover the cost of new sleeves for the victims being murdered. And Rei's service to offer clients a chance to commit real murder is higher class than those. So Rei must be getting paid more than enough to give new sleeves to the people being killed.
That's one reason why Rei's plan made no sense.
Except
Also, the whole point of her brothel is that the prostitutes don't know that they're going to be real killed. How do they get away if they're killed? If they're killed, their stacks are destroyed anyway. If they get away, either Rei catches them and destroy the stack, in which case 653 doesn't matter. Or they get away and expose Rei, in which case 653 doesn't matter either.
Her clients seemed like Meths, or well to do to me. That was her client base.
The services the government provides the poor and middle class are terrible by default. Look at the sleeves they gave to that 7 year old girl who died. They don't care about the lower classes, only the Meths. That's why the Meths are able to have the best sleeves and sleeve tech. It's a monopoly, which the government is either forced or bribed into following their orders.
That character got merged into Lizzie. In the book that character got bought off by Miriam and is in her new luxury sleeve.
I know Poe was teaching her self-defense and empowering her through martial training, but her emergence from VR as some kinda kung-fu super-assassin just felt really outta left field.
She explained that
Virtual reality in the setting can be cranked up until a month subjective time is an day in the real world. It takes a powerful computer to do it and it requires much of its system memory.
Also High end Synth sleves like the one that Lizzie slevees into can surpass human limitations easily. Look at Ortega and her new high end robot hand and then extrapolate that to an entire body.
What I don't like about the show is:
edit: he also did that to hide that he took the head.
General, not specific.
The one thing that bothered me a lot about the show was the scene in
Full season
Yeah, I appreciate me some naked Dichen Lachman, I won't lie, but even she mentioned how much money the fight was costing. Dude, spin up one of your offsite sleeves. Tak saw her vault of stalker personas, so go there.
That is one reason why I don't buy that Rei is dead for real. They corrupted her upload, but why wouldn't someone like Rei have a backup to her backup? Maybe not completely up to date, but a failsafe with enough resources to get back up to speed.
I'd kinda like to see a redemption arc with Rei, suffering memory loss in a child clone of herself that Tak finds and has to care for while struggling with his own demons.
They specifically mention that the Meths
Though even in the book I wondered why it wasn't more common, if a human mind could be fully digitized and sent all over the place. Sure, getting the extra sleeves is a hassle, but making copies should be easy.
Next season speculatio
I just finished it up tonight. Fucking loved it.
I'm in kind of a different position from most the thread, in that I read the original. And I loved it so much I read the other two. And I loved those a little less, but still so much that I went out and bought some of Richard K. Morgan's other books and...
It turns out he's kind of a shit writer that captured lightning in a bottle with Altered Carbon and to a lesser degree with the sequels, but I'm not sure he's written another good book since. The one about the Executive Mad Max world was so bad I never had it in me to read Th13teen (or however it's spelled) when my girlfriend for it for me and I was afraid to go back and read the Altered Carbon series because I really didn't feel like the second two would hold up.
So I didn't really remember much about the book going into the series other than the broad strokes. I was roughly aware of the changes they made but I feel like they mostly work?
Full season spoilers:
I'm gonna catch up on this thread and chew on it for a little, but I think I really liked it. I have no idea where they're going or where I want them to go even. There's some really neat bits from the next two books, but they're also kind of a gigantic fucking mess so I'm halfway to just wanting them to go murder mystery anthology with this. Have an overarching subplot with the quest they dropped for him at the end of this season but let's just do Cyberpunk Columbo maybe?
It's worth noting that if they choose not to directly adapt the other books into sequels, there are very large stretches of time between each of the novels. They could easily use those stretches of time, to develop their own storylines if they so choose.
Also, Poe for best character
Also general show musings:
Also the intro sequence actually very prominently features the alien fossil the Bancrofts show off at the end, we just can't make that connection until Miriam tells us what it is. Wondering if future seasons will focus a lot more on the elder civilization.
They are not happy comments.
Thirteen was published originally as Black Man in the UK; blame shitty NA publishing for swapping the title. It might be my favorite of his stuff.
Morgan also wrote a fantasy trilogy in A Land Fit for Heroes, and that was generally well-reviewed
The show makes it kind of plain the only real interest here is gaining people's sleeves and the justice system helps supply that market, punishment and justice doesn't really come into it.
I guess the other punishment is that anyone you know or care about has moved on is completely alien to you after that much time.