It sounds like Alcon produces it on their own dime and then licenses it out separately for streaming and TV to make a profit. Which is why Scifi only had broadcast license, and there's separate streaming licenses for in the US and outside the US.
I don't know how much Scifi's deal helped them balance the budget, but it looks like they kept going for three seasons with the majority of the views, and possibly revenue, coming from streaming. It makes me wonder if Scifi was actually necessary to the production costs or if it was just another revenue stream for the show.
Like, could the show actually just keep on going without Scifi and continuing to make their money off streaming, or is the income % from the TV license side actually important?
Either way it sounds like they're looking for someone to pick up the broadcast license and not the streaming license because they already got that worked out.
But Scifi is determined to have crap only probably. Hopefully something with the finances is worked out somewhere.
I am still bitter about Sci-Fi never giving us more Caprica, then they keep canceling shows I like such as Dark Matter and The Expanse. If they cancel The Magicians next I will be both pissed and unsurprised.
Worst thing they did was announce Farscape was renewed for 2 seasons then backtracked when it came to the 2nd.
It's all about money when it comes right down to it, it's not like they WANT to cancel shows just like every other network. They just apparently suck at making profit from them. Or expect too much.
It's always a long shot getting a show picked up elsewhere, so cross your fingers.
It sounds like Alcon produces it on their own dime and then licenses it out separately for streaming and TV to make a profit. Which is why Scifi only had broadcast license, and there's separate streaming licenses for in the US and outside the US.
I don't know how much Scifi's deal helped them balance the budget, but it looks like they kept going for three seasons with the majority of the views, and possibly revenue, coming from streaming. It makes me wonder if Scifi was actually necessary to the production costs or if it was just another revenue stream for the show.
Like, could the show actually just keep on going without Scifi and continuing to make their money off streaming, or is the income % from the TV license side actually important?
Either way it sounds like they're looking for someone to pick up the broadcast license and not the streaming license because they already got that worked out.
They almost certainly relied on SciFi for early advertising. SciFi went hard to advertise the Magicians and turned that success into advertising hard for The Expanse.
Now that it’s going though I don’t think they will need it
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Who the hell's Jim Murray and why should I take him seriously? Alcor said they were going to shop the show around; not much sense in doing that whilst also taking down and selling off the sets.
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Nooooo!! I had not been able to watch the latest episode until this morning, so I hadn't clicked on this thread yet. I was hoping the 50+ posts was exciting talk about the episode.
Not cancellation... that's terrible. The show is too awesome to be canceled.
Hopefully the discussion with Amazon pans out, that would be super nice.
Now, discussion about the episode. Book spoilers included.
Sorry to see Souther go . I was hoping he'd get off the King. But now we've got the hybrids being launched, and the Roci crew isn't even in the Io base yet.
I wonder if Holden is still going to go to the King to get the tracking codes or whatever. Coytar might do that instead, and send the codes before dying.
Producer/Senior VFX supervisor chimed in, agrees that Amazon is best bet. Says site striking on Wednesday isn't the end necessarily, and that they're staging things based off of what's easiest to replace. Calls out the change.org petition, actually.
Cas Anvar (Alex) had a livechat just a short bit ago. Main notes:
He spoke with people at SyFy and Alcon this morning. Apparently they're the #2 show on SyFy and could potentially be picked back up if there's enough of a bump in the Live and +3 ratings. Apparently 2x people watch DVR+3 as live, so it'd be a significant ratings bump if that shifted at all. He also said save your money, because it sounds like the last case scenario would be something directly supporting the show, which I have no idea how the fuck that would work.
So weirdly enough it's looking like SyFy may be back in the picture because of the response. Lack of mention of amazon in the thing (at least secondhand on my part) isn't super optimistic.
Anyway, tl;dr - try to watch live tomorrow if you can.
Not that he didn't say that, but watching live at this point isn't going to help anything even if you had a Nielsen box (the only way they know you did). They're not going to change their minds over 1 night.
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Great episode! Although I can’t believe they didn’t end it with:
(Book 2 Spoilers)
“We need to talk.”
Goddamn I’m gonna miss this show if it doesn’t get picked up.
Great episode! Although I can’t believe they didn’t end it with:
(Book 2 Spoilers)
“We need to talk.”
Goddamn I’m gonna miss this show if it doesn’t get picked up.
Disagree on spoilers, book 2 spoilers.
Gate's gotta open first. That's gonna be the stinger. Gate opens, Holden is left alone, and then we need to talk
I must be mis-remembering the end of Caliban’s War then.
For some reason I was thinking the structures aren’t even mentioned lifting off from Venus until the prologue of book 3 (which I really hope they depict that scene in the show somehow). Is the ring actually open by the end of book 2? If so, then yeah you’re totally right.
Great episode! Although I can’t believe they didn’t end it with:
(Book 2 Spoilers)
“We need to talk.”
Goddamn I’m gonna miss this show if it doesn’t get picked up.
Disagree on spoilers, book 2 spoilers.
Gate's gotta open first. That's gonna be the stinger. Gate opens, Holden is left alone, and then we need to talk
I must be mis-remembering the end of Caliban’s War then.
For some reason I was thinking the structures aren’t even mentioned lifting off from Venus until the prologue of book 3 (which I really hope they depict that scene in the show somehow). Is the ring actually open by the end of book 2? If so, then yeah you’re totally right.
I could very well be mis-remembering myself, and now I think you're right. That being said
For the TV show, connecting to the central computer causing it to blink into existence makes "sense"
Some notable divergences from the book, but somewhat expected. Pieces had to be moved, and they didn't have time to do a couple of things so events were accelerated.
Book spoilers:
Having Naomi and Alex go to the King was a bit odd, but there wasn't really time for Holden to help find Mei and then go to the King.
A small part of me wanted a more faithful recreation of Holden on the King, but the show has very much shied away from the Zombie Horror aspects. And the way they did it here gives a nice ending for Coytar.
It would be interesting to see his fight through the King and how he gets to the engineering area to detonate the ship like that though. Maybe they'll have a flashback at some point.
So it looks like, based on episode titles, we'll get "we need to talk" at the end of the next episode?
It would have been fun to have that be end of season thing, but season length isn't really letting them do that.
The descriptions for the next two episodes are up on the Expanse Wiki.
Here's the link (spoiler there obviously): http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3
Spoilers based on those descriptions, with book stuff. Pretty big book stuff, so don't click if you don't want spoilers:
It comes right out and says "old friend" in the description for episode 8. That must mean we see him in episode 7.
It also sounds like we get to see Filip? It says "young belter makes a name for himself". That must be Filip.
And we get Clarissa in episode 8, as "mysterious low-level tech". Woo! Do we know if it's the same actress? Not sure they're going to be able to play up the look-a-like angle.
Her implants are fairly key, so I wonder how they'll do her getting them so quickly.
Some notable divergences from the book, but somewhat expected. Pieces had to be moved, and they didn't have time to do a couple of things so events were accelerated.
Book spoilers:
Having Naomi and Alex go to the King was a bit odd, but there wasn't really time for Holden to help find Mei and then go to the King.
A small part of me wanted a more faithful recreation of Holden on the King, but the show has very much shied away from the Zombie Horror aspects. And the way they did it here gives a nice ending for Coytar.
It would be interesting to see his fight through the King and how he gets to the engineering area to detonate the ship like that though. Maybe they'll have a flashback at some point.
So it looks like, based on episode titles, we'll get "we need to talk" at the end of the next episode?
It would have been fun to have that be end of season thing, but season length isn't really letting them do that.
The descriptions for the next two episodes are up on the Expanse Wiki.
Here's the link (spoiler there obviously): http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3
Spoilers based on those descriptions, with book stuff. Pretty big book stuff, so don't click if you don't want spoilers:
It comes right out and says "old friend" in the description for episode 8. That must mean we see him in episode 7.
It also sounds like we get to see Filip? It says "young belter makes a name for himself". That must be Filip.
And we get Clarissa in episode 8, as "mysterious low-level tech". Woo! Do we know if it's the same actress? Not sure they're going to be able to play up the look-a-like angle.
Her implants are fairly key, so I wonder how they'll do her getting them so quickly.
about "low-level tech" spoilers:
Its not the same actor as Julie. Its Nadine Nicole. Yeah, I think they might breeze past any look-a-like angle, but I don't think thats really that big a deal.
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But Scifi is determined to have crap only probably. Hopefully something with the finances is worked out somewhere.
I don't know how much Scifi's deal helped them balance the budget, but it looks like they kept going for three seasons with the majority of the views, and possibly revenue, coming from streaming. It makes me wonder if Scifi was actually necessary to the production costs or if it was just another revenue stream for the show.
Like, could the show actually just keep on going without Scifi and continuing to make their money off streaming, or is the income % from the TV license side actually important?
Either way it sounds like they're looking for someone to pick up the broadcast license and not the streaming license because they already got that worked out.
I am still bitter about Sci-Fi never giving us more Caprica, then they keep canceling shows I like such as Dark Matter and The Expanse. If they cancel The Magicians next I will be both pissed and unsurprised.
It's all about money when it comes right down to it, it's not like they WANT to cancel shows just like every other network. They just apparently suck at making profit from them. Or expect too much.
It's always a long shot getting a show picked up elsewhere, so cross your fingers.
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They almost certainly relied on SciFi for early advertising. SciFi went hard to advertise the Magicians and turned that success into advertising hard for The Expanse.
Now that it’s going though I don’t think they will need it
If we don't hear by Monday, that's probably it.
DOOM!
Ah, he's the Props Master.
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You know a lot about how series die.
According to him this is because it's holding up space on a busy set in Toronto, so if they're not producing it's just wasting stage fees and space.
That's bad news for Canada then, those guys are a pain the ass to deal with in my experience.
https://www.amazon.com/Expanse-Season-Three-Blu-ray/dp/B07CLRMK6D/
*cross fingers*
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Not cancellation... that's terrible. The show is too awesome to be canceled.
Hopefully the discussion with Amazon pans out, that would be super nice.
Now, discussion about the episode. Book spoilers included.
I wonder if Holden is still going to go to the King to get the tracking codes or whatever. Coytar might do that instead, and send the codes before dying.
Producer/Senior VFX supervisor chimed in, agrees that Amazon is best bet. Says site striking on Wednesday isn't the end necessarily, and that they're staging things based off of what's easiest to replace. Calls out the change.org petition, actually.
Okay, NOW people are just getting silly.
E: what he's quoting:
Flying over Amazon Studios in Santa Monica right now
Edit: did not realize how ridiculously huge that image was
He spoke with people at SyFy and Alcon this morning. Apparently they're the #2 show on SyFy and could potentially be picked back up if there's enough of a bump in the Live and +3 ratings. Apparently 2x people watch DVR+3 as live, so it'd be a significant ratings bump if that shifted at all. He also said save your money, because it sounds like the last case scenario would be something directly supporting the show, which I have no idea how the fuck that would work.
So weirdly enough it's looking like SyFy may be back in the picture because of the response. Lack of mention of amazon in the thing (at least secondhand on my part) isn't super optimistic.
Anyway, tl;dr - try to watch live tomorrow if you can.
(Book 2 Spoilers)
Goddamn I’m gonna miss this show if it doesn’t get picked up.
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Disagree on spoilers, book 2 spoilers.
So I expect some talking will be needed next episode.
I must be mis-remembering the end of Caliban’s War then.
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I could very well be mis-remembering myself, and now I think you're right. That being said
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Some notable divergences from the book, but somewhat expected. Pieces had to be moved, and they didn't have time to do a couple of things so events were accelerated.
Book spoilers:
A small part of me wanted a more faithful recreation of Holden on the King, but the show has very much shied away from the Zombie Horror aspects. And the way they did it here gives a nice ending for Coytar.
It would be interesting to see his fight through the King and how he gets to the engineering area to detonate the ship like that though. Maybe they'll have a flashback at some point.
So it looks like, based on episode titles, we'll get "we need to talk" at the end of the next episode?
It would have been fun to have that be end of season thing, but season length isn't really letting them do that.
The descriptions for the next two episodes are up on the Expanse Wiki.
Here's the link (spoiler there obviously): http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Season_3
Spoilers based on those descriptions, with book stuff. Pretty big book stuff, so don't click if you don't want spoilers:
It also sounds like we get to see Filip? It says "young belter makes a name for himself". That must be Filip.
And we get Clarissa in episode 8, as "mysterious low-level tech". Woo! Do we know if it's the same actress? Not sure they're going to be able to play up the look-a-like angle.
Her implants are fairly key, so I wonder how they'll do her getting them so quickly.
about "low-level tech" spoilers: