Yeah, I'm still waiting for that official army builder.
GW wanted me to buy like $200 worth of books to fully play my army in 7th edition, which was ridiculous. I don't know how anyone would be surprised at the rampant use of pdfs as a result. Even now in 8th edition you're expected to buy a $60 rulebook, a $40-$60 codex (per army), plus a $35 FAQ every single year to be up to date... and you can't even trust that the books are accurate. Add another $25 on top of that if you have index only models that you need the datasheets for.
The rules are already available for free online for anyone who wants them, 40k rules information piracy is rampant.
IMO Games Workshop should just realize that the people who are buying codices are doing so because they like to physically hold a codex or put one on their bookshelf and should just give the rules away for free on their website, PDFs, a wiki and an army builder. I think they won't see a significant decline in the number of physical codex purchases and it will be easier to keep track of the current state of the rules if you can just trust the army builder to be right.
Corvus Belli does this for Infinity and this model has allowed them, a much smaller company with no big IP draw, to not only survive but grow pretty impressively.
They have done this with Age of Sigmar.
There are a few bonuses you get for the books (formations and artifact rules and such).
But they already have numbers on this because they have run a pilot program.
A lot of the best warlord traits were already auras, you just had to put zero work into having them fire.
If anything these space wolf ones seem bad by comparison.
Your warlord needs to make a save? Well I couldn’t target your warlord until we was the closest model anyway, and now I’m definitely just killing everything around him first.
Well, the Space Wolves warlord could be a giant cavalry character on the front lines with an obnoxious stat line and a billion attacks. Ignore that at your own peril.
I've been reading up on some Kill Team stuff and I don't get something about Tau Drones, Shield Drones in particular.
They have a 4+ invulnerable save, but short of my opponent deliberatly shooting at them the only way it actually shields anyone is with saviour protocols, which just give him a wound without allowing a save.
Am I missing something here? Why should I ever take one shield drone over... well any other kind of drone that actually does stuff
Looking foward to a game I set up tomorow with my Tau facing Dark Angels. Still trying to get those 100 points assebled...
They have a 4+ invulnerable save, but short of my opponent deliberatly shooting at them the only way it actually shields anyone is with saviour protocols, which just give him a wound without allowing a save.
Am I missing something here? Why should I ever take one shield drone over... well any other kind of drone that actually does stuff
Looking foward to a game I set up tomorow with my Tau facing Dark Angels. Still trying to get those 100 points assebled...
This is how shield drones worked when the tau codex first came out as well. They fixed it by giving the shield drones a feel no pain roll to protect them from the mortal wound.
Looks like they forgot about it for killteam. *eyeroll*
I've been reading up on some Kill Team stuff and I don't get something about Tau Drones, Shield Drones in particular.
They have a 4+ invulnerable save, but short of my opponent deliberatly shooting at them the only way it actually shields anyone is with saviour protocols, which just give him a wound without allowing a save.
Am I missing something here? Why should I ever take one shield drone over... well any other kind of drone that actually does stuff
Looking foward to a game I set up tomorow with my Tau facing Dark Angels. Still trying to get those 100 points assebled...
This is how shield drones worked when the tau codex first came out as well. They fixed it by giving the shield drones a feel no pain roll to protect them from the mortal wound.
Looks like they forgot about it for killteam. *eyeroll*
Yeah I used to play in 4th edition and I could assign hits to them, but with the way kill team works they really do nothing. I tought I was missing some obscure rule but if that's how they gun nowdays I'll just get them some carbines, Gun Drones can do the same job
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I wish GW would have expanded on the hellfrost guns for Space Wolves.
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I've been reading up on some Kill Team stuff and I don't get something about Tau Drones, Shield Drones in particular.
They have a 4+ invulnerable save, but short of my opponent deliberatly shooting at them the only way it actually shields anyone is with saviour protocols, which just give him a wound without allowing a save.
Am I missing something here? Why should I ever take one shield drone over... well any other kind of drone that actually does stuff
Looking foward to a game I set up tomorow with my Tau facing Dark Angels. Still trying to get those 100 points assebled...
This is how shield drones worked when the tau codex first came out as well. They fixed it by giving the shield drones a feel no pain roll to protect them from the mortal wound.
Looks like they forgot about it for killteam. *eyeroll*
Yeah I used to play in 4th edition and I could assign hits to them, but with the way kill team works they really do nothing. I tought I was missing some obscure rule but if that's how they gun nowdays I'll just get them some carbines, Gun Drones can do the same job
They FAQed the codex shield drones to have a 5+(?) FNP, so they can actually tank hits pretty well over other drones, which just take the hit. The Killteam ones just do nothing.
I found an old armourcast Tyranid Exocrine on eBay painted up exactly the same as my own army’s color scheme. 60 bucks later I’m the proud owner of a giant purple penis beetle.
Because I bought the Ad Mech and Custodes codexes because I was curious about them I might buy the Ork one as a digital since I like the fact they auto update and I am curious how it works and so on
I've been doing my best to try and pull as much from those classic color sets as possible. Going from dark grey urban camo Guard to bright and garrish has been a bit of a hard shift but I'm getting into it.
I understand why though as some of those paint schemes from the rogue trader eldar got me into the game but it was very daunting to even try them at that scale
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i'm one model away from finishing my giant 'refresh my army' undertaking. it was a project i told myself i was never going to do and then i ended up starting accidentally and continuing through out of neurotic obsession. it started with me wanting to get rid of some and chapterhouse doors on my rhinos and spiralled out of control, leading me to either touch up and re-paint every model in my collection. a bunch of models that didn't make the cut and were retired - models that couldn't be salvaged or things I didn't care to go through the effort of repainting.
I get a feeling that that Ragnar conversion I made for your SS gift about ten years ago is now living on a farm upstate, running with the frost wolves. :biggrin:
*edit*
Jesus, 10 years? I've been on this forum way too long. :P
oh yeah. he was Ragnar for a bit and then i used him a as blood claw for a bit and then he got donated with his squad to a game store that a former colleague opened out in White Rock, BC.
also... has it been 10 years? can't be... that secret santa was, like... (*checks when the 2009 space wolves codex came out) 2009? shiiiit. 9 years isn't exactly better. what the fuck. i thought i had only been painting for 5. i know i've been posting here under different usernames since 2003.
Shut up, I'm old and my crotchety ears can't hear you! I'm too busy thinking about how when I started posting in these threads, people still talked about eldar dreanoughts.
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Found someone to go half on the tooth and claw box with me. Pretty happy about it, dropping $80 for $150+ in Space Wolves. I kind of want to see if he wants to do a second one or see if someone else wants to go in half on one.
Also saw that Warstore is selling them for $127.50 down from $150 which is pretty awesome.
So stoked for Space Wolves and building up the army. I feel like my Necrons are in a good spot so I don't feel compelled to buy anything for the Necrons except the rest of the named HQs.
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I really need to find my necron army it's in a box I have not looked in an epoch I think
I know I have that apoc army from long ago and I got the previous edition of the start collecting just for the walker but like my Tyranid army I just need the HQ and elites/heavy hitters as I have none
A lot of the best warlord traits were already auras, you just had to put zero work into having them fire.
If anything these space wolf ones seem bad by comparison.
Your warlord needs to make a save? Well I couldn’t target your warlord until we was the closest model anyway, and now I’m definitely just killing everything around him first.
Well, the Space Wolves warlord could be a giant cavalry character on the front lines with an obnoxious stat line and a billion attacks. Ignore that at your own peril.
I mean, I'm assuming that's the intent of the design; to force a no-win decision on your opponent. Will they single out your Warlord and thereby trigger his aura, or focus on other targets and let him run rampant?
I love those old paint schemes so much. I should do an army that way someday.
Maybe use the old paint schemes for my Titanicus stuff maybe? I don't know, I love it though.
Edit: Makes me wonder if I can find old Titan schemes online somewhere, I bet they are out there.
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So wait, are the "Eldritch Raiders" associated with Yriel as someone said up-thread? Because I thought he was the guy from Iyanden (the Craftworld that got nearly eaten by the Tyranids), not Alaitoc.
Alaitoc wear dark blue armor with bright yellow helms and their symbol is a vertical, point-downward double-edged sword impaling an upward-facing horizontal crescent moon, all edged in bright green.
Iyanden wear yellow armor with blue helms and have a gold torii gate framing a flame on a blue disc for their emblem.
The raiders definitely look more like Alaitoc in most of the old art you guys are posting.
Yriel is from Iyanden, but he’s a corsair prince; he left and became a pirate lord with his own fleet. Him returning during the Nid invasion is what saved Iyanden and I guess he was kinda welcomed back afterwards. The pics up there show his guys with their unique scheme (and some others like the Sunblitz were showcased in FW’s sadly neglected Corsair list) but in every modern incarnation he’s painted in standard Iyanden colours
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Ah. It just seemed like a hell of a coincidence for his corsairs to be given a scheme very close to one of the other 4 main craftworlds (& the one that's practically the inverse of his home, no less), so I was wondering if maybe I'd gotten mixed up. Bear in mind, I don't have any idea how far along the development of background material and sub-faction stuff for Eldar was at the time they were doing material for the corsairs in RT, etc. I pretty much got into WH40K because of Dawn of War I.
Ah. It just seemed like a hell of a coincidence for his corsairs to be given a scheme very close to one of the other 4 main craftworlds (& the one that's practically the inverse of his home, no less), so I was wondering if maybe I'd gotten mixed up. Bear in mind, I don't have any idea how far along the development of background material and sub-faction stuff for Eldar was at the time they were doing material for the corsairs in RT, etc. I pretty much got into WH40K because of Dawn of War I.
Original Eldar were pretty much just space elf pirates throughout much of the early days of 40k.
Harelquins showed up in 1988 apprently, but it wasn’t until Jes Goodwin’s famous 1991 Aspect Warrior lore/minis release series in White Dwarf that the Craftworld concept solidified with Psychic leaders, Aspects, Guardian militia
Changes to FW pricing and shipping are now live. Haven't checked yet, how good the currency conversions are. At least they changed to flat shipping prices.
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GW wanted me to buy like $200 worth of books to fully play my army in 7th edition, which was ridiculous. I don't know how anyone would be surprised at the rampant use of pdfs as a result. Even now in 8th edition you're expected to buy a $60 rulebook, a $40-$60 codex (per army), plus a $35 FAQ every single year to be up to date... and you can't even trust that the books are accurate. Add another $25 on top of that if you have index only models that you need the datasheets for.
Meanwhile you can buy a decent tablet for $50.
They have done this with Age of Sigmar.
There are a few bonuses you get for the books (formations and artifact rules and such).
But they already have numbers on this because they have run a pilot program.
A Death Guard tallyman regains a CP on a roll of seven on 2d6 when you use a Death Guard strategem.
Rerolls (as well as auto pass, interrupt and draw a secondary objective) strategems aren’t Death Guard.
So he can’t use his ability on the biggest chunk of your CP spending.
Well, the Space Wolves warlord could be a giant cavalry character on the front lines with an obnoxious stat line and a billion attacks. Ignore that at your own peril.
They have a 4+ invulnerable save, but short of my opponent deliberatly shooting at them the only way it actually shields anyone is with saviour protocols, which just give him a wound without allowing a save.
Am I missing something here? Why should I ever take one shield drone over... well any other kind of drone that actually does stuff
Looking foward to a game I set up tomorow with my Tau facing Dark Angels. Still trying to get those 100 points assebled...
This is how shield drones worked when the tau codex first came out as well. They fixed it by giving the shield drones a feel no pain roll to protect them from the mortal wound.
Looks like they forgot about it for killteam. *eyeroll*
Yeah I used to play in 4th edition and I could assign hits to them, but with the way kill team works they really do nothing. I tought I was missing some obscure rule but if that's how they gun nowdays I'll just get them some carbines, Gun Drones can do the same job
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
They FAQed the codex shield drones to have a 5+(?) FNP, so they can actually tank hits pretty well over other drones, which just take the hit. The Killteam ones just do nothing.
This was their colour scheme an epoch ago
Speaking of, halloo, ya old bastards!
Also saw that Warstore is selling them for $127.50 down from $150 which is pretty awesome.
So stoked for Space Wolves and building up the army. I feel like my Necrons are in a good spot so I don't feel compelled to buy anything for the Necrons except the rest of the named HQs.
What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
I know I have that apoc army from long ago and I got the previous edition of the start collecting just for the walker but like my Tyranid army I just need the HQ and elites/heavy hitters as I have none
I mean, I'm assuming that's the intent of the design; to force a no-win decision on your opponent. Will they single out your Warlord and thereby trigger his aura, or focus on other targets and let him run rampant?
Oh you don't know how weird it was
Maybe use the old paint schemes for my Titanicus stuff maybe? I don't know, I love it though.
Edit: Makes me wonder if I can find old Titan schemes online somewhere, I bet they are out there.
Alaitoc wear dark blue armor with bright yellow helms and their symbol is a vertical, point-downward double-edged sword impaling an upward-facing horizontal crescent moon, all edged in bright green.
Iyanden wear yellow armor with blue helms and have a gold torii gate framing a flame on a blue disc for their emblem.
The raiders definitely look more like Alaitoc in most of the old art you guys are posting.
Forgeworld also updated a few of the Corsair schemes in on of their books:
The Void Dragons
The Sunblitz Brotherhood
The Sky Raiders
Where did the forge world stuff come from?
It was a pretty shoddily written book, to be honest, and in dire need of an editor and some proof reading.
Original Eldar were pretty much just space elf pirates throughout much of the early days of 40k.
Harelquins showed up in 1988 apprently, but it wasn’t until Jes Goodwin’s famous 1991 Aspect Warrior lore/minis release series in White Dwarf that the Craftworld concept solidified with Psychic leaders, Aspects, Guardian militia
tearsofenvysblog.blogspot.com/2016/10/all-eldar-so-far.html
The jet in particular is fantastic.
Although, I do hate the line of sight exploiting Wraithlord conversion.
If it were on one knee it'd be better. Still an exploit, but a sort of realistic looking one. On all fours like that is a little much.
https://warhammer-community.com/2018/08/22/21st-aug-faster-shipping-better-service-todayfw-homepage-post-1/
edit: Pound to Euro seems to be at 1.25. Which is not that great. The actual curreny rate is more like 1.12 at the moment.
How's that work? The stratagems are in the codex and in the little box of Death Guard cards you can buy that have all of their stratagems.
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It's too..... sassy...
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And that background looks like something Giger would do.
I got the big box and the two terrain boxes in the hope that there were different sprues.
There isn't. Only two different sprues.
Small box has two sets, big box has four sets and the big terrain box has eight sets.
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Island. Being on fire.