Without that event the events of the most recent book make no sense.
Though I guess it's pretty unlikely the show will get that far.
I got bored with the books after
Earth gets smashed
so I wouldn't know. After the third or fourth book, the trend of each story trying to out-horrible the last one just gets tedious; I like the interplay between the factions and characters, but the repeated super-disasters completely bore me. It's not something I would entirely lay on the books, since I think I read the first few books in a week or two so the events "felt" pretty back-to-back to me; the show pacing feels a lot better to me, since the show takes a certain amount of time to watch and I can't get through it as fast as I can read.
See, I can accept one or two hand-wavey explanations like that without it shattering my SoD.
When you start having to do like half a dozen, though, that's when I'm just done.
I don't get how the books even got popular in the first place, they rely so heavily on contrivance (I've read plenty of hard scifi that is far more worthy of getting turned into a show). But the show has that cut down enough that it generally doesn't bother me, and the worst of it (which is pretty much what we're discussing) still has a strong thread of hopefulness built into it so I can allow it and still enjoy the show.
But I do think they should have utterly gutted the content of the Clarissa arc outside the character herself and completely rewritten it for the show. I like where they go with Clarissa, but I think the show's writers could've come up with a much better way to get her where she had to go.
There's at least one future arc where (book spoilers)
a tiny Belter group is suddenly somehow impossibly competent but also incredibly insane and stealth-bombards Earth with massive asteroids using Mars tech after the gates are opened, as some sort of truly idiotic pro-Belter message
I hope they really do just cut it out completely or, barring that, completely retool it to make any kind of sense in the context of what we've seen of Earth, Mars, and Belters. The whole thing is so contrived that it may as well be executed by wizards, and their "message" is wholly inscrutable.
Hey, any suggestions on good hard sci fi to read?
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CJ Cherryh's Alliance-Union books are one of my high marks for hard scifi with a focus on social elements, about the only "cheat" she has is FTL travel. Elements of it will seem very familiar from the Expanse, such as how acceleration and inertia are major elements of maneuvering, but the books predate the Expanse by decades.
The books similarly take place in a volatile state of nations, but Cherryh tends to revolve her stories around people rather than over-the-top tragedies. Social politics are a huge factor in the setting, but in a way I find immensely more realistic and believable than in the Expanse (different groups may hate each other, but they don't suicidally and insanely hate each on a wide scale, even the most diehard zealots are usually tempered and restrained by the people in their own governments). Just keep in mind that the books tend to have considerably less action to them than in the Expanse. Ship-to-ship combat is rare as ships are expensive and hard to replace, boarding is uncommon, and the stations where ships meet do not put up with people having gunfights on the docks.
Some of the books are in trilogies, but many are standalone books loosely linked to each other by the common setting. Merchanter's Luck and Tripoint are good standalone books, but all of the books are written specifically so they can be read in any order.
Thing I was annoyed about before played into the plot in a kind of infuriating way.
Honestly, the ending of that season seems like it changes the status quo so much that it feels like it might as well not even be the same show anymore.
Thing I was annoyed about before played into the plot in a kind of infuriating way.
Honestly, the ending of that season seems like it changes the status quo so much that it feels like it might as well not even be the same show anymore.
The book series upends the status quo reasonably often... so... get used to it?
Well, it's basically "What fucked up situation does the crew of the Roci get to deal with now?". Just the situation changes wildly.
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I need an OST for season 3, because there was some seriously fantastic stuff in the second half. This is the best cleanup of that later stuff I've found, but it's missing some stuff like the 'catastrophe' theme they replay a couple times.
Thing I was annoyed about before played into the plot in a kind of infuriating way.
Honestly, the ending of that season seems like it changes the status quo so much that it feels like it might as well not even be the same show anymore.
The book series upends the status quo reasonably often... so... get used to it?
To a certain degree, I feel like the end of season 3 is "okay, you've finished the prologue."
Everything from here on in is consequences of that premise.
That first half of season two is definitely feeling a lot more like what should have been the end of season one.
My big gripe about the first two seasons are the terrible spots they halt the season in the arc, and how they resolve big stuff from the prior season a few episodes in and then build up to things that won't resolve until several episodes into the next season.
Fortunately, S3 brings it all together, such that I would actually consider S1-S3 as the entire "first" season of the show.
(Couldn't think of a direct parallel for Earthers)
Nah. Belters are elves. Insular, racist, exotic, physically fragile, prone to speaking to one another in a vaguely musical foreign language, deeply connected with their environments, and builders of amazing citadels in remote places.
Martians are dwarves: sturdy creatures fond of drink and industry.
(Couldn't think of a direct parallel for Earthers)
Nah. Belters are elves. Insular, racist, exotic, physically fragile, prone to speaking to one another in a vaguely musical foreign language, deeply connected with their environments, and builders of amazing citadels in remote places.
Martians are dwarves: sturdy creatures fond of drink and industry.
(Couldn't think of a direct parallel for Earthers)
I dunno. There's a lot of crossover that I'd see.
Earthers have the kind of aristocratic bearing and long lives of elves combined with a kind of easier living compared to the other two. Their medicines and technology effectively make them long lived, but not immortal. They're the only society that has the time and inclination for decadent extravagance. However, their society is kind of grungy under the surface and focuses more on mass numbers and production than on elegant design.
I guess I'd go with Half-Elves then?
Belters have the basic inhumanly elegant and long-limbed-ness though, with the downsides of being less physically fit and robust. Their ingenuity though is what gets them through their environment, and despite their focus on not threatening the whole installation, they're constant tinkerers. They're the most uniformly knowledgeable about how things work, and work constantly to keep their ships and stations running. They're also much more inquisitive and less likely to choose to submit to authority.
I'm going to go with Gnomes for Belters.
Martians are totally dwarves, but with the addendum that these dwarves are almost uniformly a little taller than Earthers. Regimented society built around common goals, which is known for building and producing the best. Extremely strong manufacturing combined with extremely strong martial prowess.
So I guess the height chart would be reversed, with Gnomes being the tallest, Dwarves being the middle, and Half-Elves being the shortest.
How can we not peg the people from Earth, the bog standard against which all other "races" in this silly but fun exercise are compared against, as anything except Humans?
Besides, medicines and technology (ie: advancement) are not usually associated with elves but rather with humans as their shorter, dirtier lifespans leads them to adapt and innovate. Elves don't tend to do that because they live for 100's of years anyway and are all sparkly and shit...
How can we not peg the people from Earth, the bog standard against which all other "races" in this silly but fun exercise are compared against, as anything except Humans?
Besides, medicines and technology (ie: advancement) are not usually associated with elves but rather with humans as their shorter, dirtier lifespans leads them to adapt and innovate. Elves don't tend to do that because they live for 100's of years anyway and are all sparkly and shit...
Because humans are boooooorrring. :razz:
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Took a shot at replicating a Lego Tachi design I found on reddit, came out looking pretty good. I still have to build it IRL but in theory it's stable!
So there was some shuffling going on over at the publishers that put them behind the eight-ball. Nothing bad, just poor timed. Upshot is, they asked me and Ty for some more time on the production end. We think it's the Right Thing. Getting a good edit pass really does help just a lot.
Any thoughts given to a Donnager build made at the same scale?
I already have a build for that:
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I do have an idea for a followup, but not aiming as big as the Donnager. Considering doing the Beratnas Gas disguise for the Roci, should be a fairly simple mod to add the gas tanks and change up the colours.
Harder project idea is... the Stealth Ship! I think it's doable, Lego has all sorts of curvy angles available in black, but to build it off in every direction off of a square core is tricky...
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Looks like they have new "Rocinante" stencils on their jumpsuits. But they still each have their own suit from various sources, just new branding on em. Gives me a little bit of hope that they've ditched the Beratnas Gas logo. ;P
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The Roci set is looking as good as ever. This pleases me.
By the time Stargate Universe had any chance of being saved, all the ship sets were already gone.
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Though I guess it's pretty unlikely the show will get that far.
I got bored with the books after
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They CGI sequences of the ships make a whole helluva lot more sense now.
Hey, any suggestions on good hard sci fi to read?
The books similarly take place in a volatile state of nations, but Cherryh tends to revolve her stories around people rather than over-the-top tragedies. Social politics are a huge factor in the setting, but in a way I find immensely more realistic and believable than in the Expanse (different groups may hate each other, but they don't suicidally and insanely hate each on a wide scale, even the most diehard zealots are usually tempered and restrained by the people in their own governments). Just keep in mind that the books tend to have considerably less action to them than in the Expanse. Ship-to-ship combat is rare as ships are expensive and hard to replace, boarding is uncommon, and the stations where ships meet do not put up with people having gunfights on the docks.
Some of the books are in trilogies, but many are standalone books loosely linked to each other by the common setting. Merchanter's Luck and Tripoint are good standalone books, but all of the books are written specifically so they can be read in any order.
That was a thing.
Thing I was annoyed about before played into the plot in a kind of infuriating way.
Honestly, the ending of that season seems like it changes the status quo so much that it feels like it might as well not even be the same show anymore.
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The book series upends the status quo reasonably often... so... get used to it?
To a certain degree, I feel like the end of season 3 is "okay, you've finished the prologue."
Everything from here on in is consequences of that premise.
Martians are Hobgoblins.
Change my mind.
(Couldn't think of a direct parallel for Earthers)
Earthers are generic humans?
My big gripe about the first two seasons are the terrible spots they halt the season in the arc, and how they resolve big stuff from the prior season a few episodes in and then build up to things that won't resolve until several episodes into the next season.
Fortunately, S3 brings it all together, such that I would actually consider S1-S3 as the entire "first" season of the show.
I didn't want to go that direction and dehumanize Martians and Belters, because I rep the Martians hard in my mind.
Nah. Belters are elves. Insular, racist, exotic, physically fragile, prone to speaking to one another in a vaguely musical foreign language, deeply connected with their environments, and builders of amazing citadels in remote places.
Martians are dwarves: sturdy creatures fond of drink and industry.
Which live in tunnels underground.
The series could have ended there and I would have been satisfied.
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I dunno. There's a lot of crossover that I'd see.
Earthers have the kind of aristocratic bearing and long lives of elves combined with a kind of easier living compared to the other two. Their medicines and technology effectively make them long lived, but not immortal. They're the only society that has the time and inclination for decadent extravagance. However, their society is kind of grungy under the surface and focuses more on mass numbers and production than on elegant design.
I guess I'd go with Half-Elves then?
Belters have the basic inhumanly elegant and long-limbed-ness though, with the downsides of being less physically fit and robust. Their ingenuity though is what gets them through their environment, and despite their focus on not threatening the whole installation, they're constant tinkerers. They're the most uniformly knowledgeable about how things work, and work constantly to keep their ships and stations running. They're also much more inquisitive and less likely to choose to submit to authority.
I'm going to go with Gnomes for Belters.
Martians are totally dwarves, but with the addendum that these dwarves are almost uniformly a little taller than Earthers. Regimented society built around common goals, which is known for building and producing the best. Extremely strong manufacturing combined with extremely strong martial prowess.
So I guess the height chart would be reversed, with Gnomes being the tallest, Dwarves being the middle, and Half-Elves being the shortest.
Besides, medicines and technology (ie: advancement) are not usually associated with elves but rather with humans as their shorter, dirtier lifespans leads them to adapt and innovate. Elves don't tend to do that because they live for 100's of years anyway and are all sparkly and shit...
Because humans are boooooorrring. :razz:
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Earthers are Dwarves; shorter, stockier, stronger, and much more prone to greed than the rest.
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I already have a build for that:
Harder project idea is... the Stealth Ship! I think it's doable, Lego has all sorts of curvy angles available in black, but to build it off in every direction off of a square core is tricky...
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What else will be changed? Alex beardless? Amos giving hugs? The horror!
By the time Stargate Universe had any chance of being saved, all the ship sets were already gone.
And while amazon has said they're not raising the budget extremely, they're also not lowering it