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Trump Admin Immigration Policy Thread - DACA, ICE, Kids In Cages, etc

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Erlkönig wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    Just turned on NBC nightly news and the first thing I heard was someone talking about how they see 5,000 migrants a week, and how the military will be a bandage but it isn't a final solution -- the final solution has to come from Congress.

    Do... Do people just not stop to think about what that kind of wording means? Or do you think they know 100%

    Yeeeeeeah...they've dropped all pretense of dog-whistling their intent and gone straight for tsunami siren.

    Hundepfeife.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Washington Post reporter:


    NBC went "oopsy" after airing the ad.
    CNN:


    Facebook is claiming the ad was approved for their platform in error.

    How the heck is CNN the one that showed some dignity?

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    Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Washington Post reporter:


    NBC went "oopsy" after airing the ad.
    CNN:


    Facebook is claiming the ad was approved for their platform in error.

    How the heck is CNN the one that showed some dignity?

    Honestly they probably had a policy to auto-approve any ad from a “trusted” source like one of the two major parties without much review as to content. I am sure there’s a certain amount of trust with repeat content providers and they don’t bother to screen every Toyota ad to make sure it doesn’t have tits in it or whatever.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Washington Post reporter:


    NBC went "oopsy" after airing the ad.
    CNN:


    Facebook is claiming the ad was approved for their platform in error.

    How the heck is CNN the one that showed some dignity?

    Good thing nobody watches live football on TV on Sundays, otherwise it would have gotten a huge audience.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Trump wanted the US Military to build concentration camps while they were at the border to imprison anyone seeking asylum.
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration discussed using the U.S. military to build facilities to house detained migrants as part of its new mission on the Mexican border but the idea was dropped after the Pentagon expressed doubts about it, U.S. officials said.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Trump wanted the US Military to build concentration camps while they were at the border to imprison anyone seeking asylum.
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Trump administration discussed using the U.S. military to build facilities to house detained migrants as part of its new mission on the Mexican border but the idea was dropped after the Pentagon expressed doubts about it, U.S. officials said.
    One U.S. official cautioned that a previous Trump administration request dating back to spring for U.S. National Guard troops to build facilities for migrants on U.S. bases was still being deliberated. But, the official noted, that was not expected to be part of Faithful Patriot and the timing of any such future mission was unclear.
    Well, that is frightening.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/05/us/politics/nbc-caravan-advertisement.html
    Fox News reached a similar decision the day before, Marianne Gambelli, the network’s president of ad sales, said in a statement on Monday.

    “Upon further review, Fox News pulled the ad yesterday and it will not appear on either Fox News Channel or Fox Business Network,” she said.
    FOX NEWS! It might as well have been Fox News content but they still pulled it after already airing it.

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    MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    It's called Operation Faithful Patriot?

    Why does that sound fucking ominous?

    Move to New Zealand
    It’s not a very important country most of the time
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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Anonymous Pentagon sources have said that the cost of sending troops to the border will be $220 Million dollars, and that the assessment of the situation by the Pentagon is that it is a huge waste of time and money because....
    The troops deployed to the southern U.S. border to support existing border authorities once a band of Honduran migrants completes its journey from southern Mexico will cost $220 million, CNBC reported, citing two anonymous sources.

    There are about 4,000 troops near the border since this weekend and, ultimately a total of 15,000 could be deployed if Trump gets his way. According to documents detailed by Newsweek and the Washington Post, the military itself expects only “a small percentage of the migrants will likely reach the border.” A risk assessment by the Defense Department “found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States,” and that “the caravan would take about a month and a half to get to the U.S. border,” according to CNBC.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    It's called Operation Faithful Patriot?

    Why does that sound fucking ominous?

    Because it sounds better in the original German.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    It's called Operation Faithful Patriot?

    Why does that sound fucking ominous?

    Because it sounds better in the original German.

    That would be "Operation treuer Patriot"

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    Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister It Gets Worse before it gets any better.Registered User regular
    Operation Blud und Erhe

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    SelnerSelner Registered User regular
    Mortious wrote: »
    It's called Operation Faithful Patriot?

    Why does that sound fucking ominous?

    I legit keep reading it as "Fearful" Patriot.

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    BlazeFireBlazeFire Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    BlazeFire wrote: »
    Forgive me, but does the Pentagon really get any say? I didn't think it was up to them to "allow" anything.

    Everyone in the military is legally required to refuse unlawful orders.

    Yeah, but go sit on this patch of soil isn't necessarily unlawful.

    From the tweet and article that’s not what was requested. DHS was requesting people for law enforcement which the Pentagon rightfully declined.

    I thought it was in response to this:
    Wait a minute, so the Pentagon is going to allow a multi-million dollar military expedition to our border with Mexico to have US Army members... camp and do nothing else?

    Because he can lawfully tell the Pentagon to send ~20k troops to hang out around El Paso and look scary. It's just a stupid thing to do that will waste a lot of money and ruin a lot of Thanksgivings for no reason.

    That seems... silly? Why would you think it’s a question to Henroid’s hypothetical and not the article about the Pentagon?

    It was definitely a question to Henroid's hypothetical. I'm not American so I was just curious about the way it would all work. Thanks for the reminder about not following illegal orders.

    (Sorry for the delay as well. Thread moved fast.)

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    spool32spool32 Contrary Library Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    looks like the pentagon is trying to maintain some semblance of posse comitatus, which is why the deployments so far have been logistics/support/PR

    ryan browne is cnn's national security reporter

    Am glad someone in the chain of command is being rational.

    Wonder how long it'll take Trump to organize their reassignment.

    Be doesn't care, he just wants to sound tough and swing a militaristic dick around.

    this sentence ends with "retain the Senate". that's all this is. Even Shep Smith from Fox has said it, on air.

    it's 150% politics.

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    AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Viskod wrote: »
    Anonymous Pentagon sources have said that the cost of sending troops to the border will be $220 Million dollars, and that the assessment of the situation by the Pentagon is that it is a huge waste of time and money because....
    The troops deployed to the southern U.S. border to support existing border authorities once a band of Honduran migrants completes its journey from southern Mexico will cost $220 million, CNBC reported, citing two anonymous sources.

    There are about 4,000 troops near the border since this weekend and, ultimately a total of 15,000 could be deployed if Trump gets his way. According to documents detailed by Newsweek and the Washington Post, the military itself expects only “a small percentage of the migrants will likely reach the border.” A risk assessment by the Defense Department “found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States,” and that “the caravan would take about a month and a half to get to the U.S. border,” according to CNBC.

    Someone in the military is aware that if they slowwalk this past literally tomorrow the proposal will vanish into the ether until *checks watch* half past 2019.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    spool32 wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    MorganV wrote: »
    looks like the pentagon is trying to maintain some semblance of posse comitatus, which is why the deployments so far have been logistics/support/PR

    ryan browne is cnn's national security reporter

    Am glad someone in the chain of command is being rational.

    Wonder how long it'll take Trump to organize their reassignment.

    He doesn't care, he just wants to sound tough and swing a militaristic dick around.

    this sentence ends with "retain the Senate". that's all this is. Even Shep Smith from Fox has said it, on air.

    it's 150% politics.

    I'm pretty sure he believes his own bullshit when it comes to the border and white supremacy. The concentration camps for Orphans of the State aren't an accident.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    has there been any indication that Trump is not a white genocide conspiracy theorist

    because i'm seeing a lot of evidence for

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Good thing the US military's budget was raised recently, to help account for Trump apparently planning to waste around a quarter billion dollars on a political stunt.

    Forar on
    First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Elendil wrote: »
    has there been any indication that Trump is not a white genocide conspiracy theorist

    because i'm seeing a lot of evidence for

    The strongest argument that hes not one is that he's not anything in particular. The difference is probably academic and not practical though.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    At best, he's a garden variety racist.

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User, Moderator mod
    Elendil wrote: »
    has there been any indication that Trump is not a white genocide conspiracy theorist

    because i'm seeing a lot of evidence for

    He frets in the usual roundabout ways about The Jews(tm), considers immigrants from nonwhite countries not to be people coming to the US from their homelands, but rather weapons sent to the US from their homelands with the intent of harming American society, and has openly tied those two fears together.

    He might not have actually tweeted the words yet, but the man is absolutely a white genocide conspiracy theorist.

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    LanzLanz ...Za?Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    At best, he's a garden variety racist.

    He was apparently congratulating Chattanooga last night on their very good genes.

    And has repeatedly talked about his own very good genes and talked about people like they're race horses in the past

    Dude's a dunning-kruger eugenicist.

    Lanz on
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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Couscous wrote: »
    Washington Post reporter:


    NBC went "oopsy" after airing the ad.
    CNN:


    Facebook is claiming the ad was approved for their platform in error.

    How the heck is CNN the one that showed some dignity?

    man it's amazing how many replies to every political tweet are by accounts under 2 years old that exclusively post right wing slogans as replies

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    Elendil wrote: »
    has there been any indication that Trump is not a white genocide conspiracy theorist

    because i'm seeing a lot of evidence for

    He frets in the usual roundabout ways about The Jews(tm), considers immigrants from nonwhite countries not to be people coming to the US from their homelands, but rather weapons sent to the US from their homelands with the intent of harming American society, and has openly tied those two fears together.

    He might not have actually tweeted the words yet, but the man is absolutely a white genocide conspiracy theorist.

    I mean, he's a Fox News viewer. He's literally the old white people who watch Fox News, but he's rich and now President. Of course he believes in white genocide. That's what Fox News teaches it's viewers.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    At best, he's a garden variety racist.

    Worth remembering this would put him pretty solidly in the middle of white dudes in their 70s.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Don Jr. was tweeting white genocide memes the other day, so it's pretty likely.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    Here is something I just caught. In a report about the planning documents for the military border deployment, there is something that caught my eye... (my own emphasis added below)
    the military is preparing to defend against an “estimated 200 unregulated armed militia members currently operating along the [Southwest Border]. Reported Incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments. They operate under the guise of citizen patrols supporting [Customs and Border Patrol] primarily between [Points of Entry].”

    The term "unregulated militia" super stands out to me... Why, because the second amendment says...
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    If something stupid goes down. I can see the court argument of "Well, They were not a regulated militia" from orbit.

    == EDIT ==
    Adding source:
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/10/31/deployed-border-troops-are-preparing-for-militias-stealing-their-gear-protester-violence-documents-show/

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited November 2018
    So, this is trying to happen...





    NY AG Underwood is the Twitter account for New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood

    They're trying to skip the appeals process and go straight to SCOTUS.

    Santa Claustrophobia on
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    RickRudeRickRude Registered User regular
    So, this is trying to happen...





    NY AG Underwood is the Twitter account for New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood

    They're trying to skip the appeals process and go straight to SCOTUS.

    Where they will win, because it's SCOTUS which is stacked now, and because it's SCOTUS it doesn't matter what lower courts think.

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    Inkstain82Inkstain82 Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    n/m

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    CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    Where the hell does stealing stuff from The Goddamned Army figure into these idiots' self-image?

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    SleepSleep Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    Where the hell does stealing stuff from The Goddamned Army figure into these idiots' self-image?

    Honestly it barely even occurs to them that they are committing a very serious crime, or that they may, or should, face consequences for it.

    At best in their minds all of their lawlessness, and revolution threats are 100% justifiable while all others are inexcusable.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Where the hell does stealing stuff from The Goddamned Army figure into these idiots' self-image?

    Honestly it barely even occurs to them that they are committing a very serious crime, or that they may, or should, face consequences for it.

    At best in their minds all of their lawlessness, and revolution threats are 100% justifiable while all others are inexcusable.

    They can't commit a crime because they are sovereign to themself.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Calica wrote: »
    Where the hell does stealing stuff from The Goddamned Army figure into these idiots' self-image?

    Honestly it barely even occurs to them that they are committing a very serious crime, or that they may, or should, face consequences for it.

    At best in their minds all of their lawlessness, and revolution threats are 100% justifiable while all others are inexcusable.

    There is non-zero overlap between militias and groups who don't recognize the legitimacy of the federal government, and I suspect more than a few "minutemen" have some foundational issues with our tax code.

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    Stabbity StyleStabbity Style He/Him | Warning: Mothership Reporting Kennewick, WARegistered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    Where the hell does stealing stuff from The Goddamned Army figure into these idiots' self-image?

    I mean, they're cosplayers at heart. Gotta get some new costume pieces.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    Where they will win, because it's SCOTUS which is stacked now, and because it's SCOTUS it doesn't matter what lower courts think.

    Yeah, but that just pushes the SCOTUS further into a credibility crisis. The modern court is well known for pushing cases away because of a very (IMO) "by the book take" on lack of standing and/or jurisdictional issues. It's going to be pretty instructive if they're suddenly gung-ho to take express lane bypassed cases from Justice that buck those standards.

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    ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    edited November 2018
    It amazes me all these support the troops ostensibly pro military people are happy to completely ignore the official military assessment in favour of their own paranoid racist fantasies

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    ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Prohass wrote: »
    It amazes me all these support the troops ostensibly pro military people are happy to completely ignore the official military assessment in favour of their own paranoid racist fantasies

    It’s military intelligence. Intelligence implies education, education implies liberal, and liberal is synonymous with the GAY ISLAM GLOBALIST CONSPIRACY that HATES AMERICA and brings in ILLEGAL SOROS CARAVANS and WAR ON CHRISTMAS.


    Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Prohass wrote: »
    It amazes me all these support the troops ostensibly pro military people are happy to completely ignore the official military assessment in favour of their own paranoid racist fantasies

    It’s military intelligence. Intelligence implies education, education implies liberal, and liberal is synonymous with the GAY ISLAM GLOBALIST CONSPIRACY that HATES AMERICA and brings in ILLEGAL SOROS CARAVANS and WAR ON CHRISTMAS.

    @Shadowhope spreads the truthiness!

    It's sad how much Colbert's exaggeration was so completely underselling things.

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