Overwatch is one of the more successful eSports around right now so while someone may not enjoy it personally its hard to argue its a "bad sport"
I'm speaking more in terms of how easy it is to watch the thing, rather than a commentary on the quality of the game itself.
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jaziekBad at everythingAnd mad about it.Registered Userregular
edited December 2018
I dunno, people talking about a tv show but not really about the tv show all the time?
The amount of money getting thrown around in eSports, especially for titles with zero competitive scene or watchability, these past few years is absolutely absurd. There's no way it could ever been sustainable or remotely profitable.
turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
edited December 2018
Overwatch League blows because it's this huge artificially built up thing designed to squash any independent competitive scene for the game from forming so that Blizzard has full control over it.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
One thing that makes esports weird is that there are new videogames, in the same genre and even series, every year. If they stick with one game, it begins to feel "old" or "outdated." If they jump to the new hotness, it feels like it's promo for the new release more than a dedicated competitive space. It's quite the catch-22
Oh here's a depressing esports story. A dude in my monthly poker game is dating a pro LoL player. They've been together like six months, but their relationship is still a secret, even from the rest of his pro team - his friends and co-workers - because Gaming as a whole is so violently, virulently homophobic.
Shit sucks.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
Oh here's a depressing esports story. A dude in my monthly poker game is dating a pro LoL player. They've been together like six months, but their relationship is still a secret, even from the rest of his pro team - his friends and co-workers - because Gaming as a whole is so violently, virulently homophobic.
Shit sucks.
Lets hope folks like SonicFox can help change that.
Overwatch League blows because it's this huge artificially built up thing designed to squash any independent competitive scene for the game from forming so that Blizzard has full control over it.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
Eh, I kinda like the idea of a professional league with a lot of money behind it trying to make a more traditional sports league. It sucks that in most esports the players have to make due on tournament winnings to make a living, so if you're middle of the pack or worse do you make enough to support yourself on your esports skills alone? It's good that someone is taking things seriously enough to treat the competitors like they've got an actual job. Helps legitimize things with the general public, which esports has been trying to do forever. It's about time they build local arenas in all the cities the teams supposedly represent though so that local fanbases can ACTUALLY attend a match.
The lack of women and the homophobia are huge problems and it's stupid they haven't done anything about it.
Oh here's a depressing esports story. A dude in my monthly poker game is dating a pro LoL player. They've been together like six months, but their relationship is still a secret, even from the rest of his pro team - his friends and co-workers - because Gaming as a whole is so violently, virulently homophobic.
Shit sucks.
Lets hope folks like SonicFox can help change that.
SonicFox is less interested in combatting homophobia than saying “yeah, you should be scared”
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I think that is an extremely uncharitable reading of his comments which are largely him telling homophobes to fuck right off which is absolutely a good thing to do
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
The amount of money getting thrown around in eSports, especially for titles with zero competitive scene or watchability, these past few years is absolutely absurd. There's no way it could ever been sustainable or remotely profitable.
Yeah, I think it's a pretty fair reaction for an opressed minority to say, "ok, you want to both dismiss and disempower me while making me out as somehow a powerful monster? Fine, I know which half of that I'll double down on."
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
One thing that makes esports weird is that there are new videogames, in the same genre and even series, every year. If they stick with one game, it begins to feel "old" or "outdated." If they jump to the new hotness, it feels like it's promo for the new release more than a dedicated competitive space. It's quite the catch-22
To explore this more (because it is a very good point), do you think an element of that is the producers of these newer titles using the entire premise of esports for advertising/marketing?
And if so, how do we ever combat that?
I'd love if there was a retro tournament with stuff like Tekken Tag Tournament 1 or just standard Street Fighter 2 but if nobody puts up the cash...
I think that is an extremely uncharitable reading of his comments which are largely him telling homophobes to fuck right off which is absolutely a good thing to do
I should be clear that I mean it as a compliment and I think that sonicfox is awesome. He has no interest in toning himself down for the approval of others, at all. It’s extremely admirable.
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
Overwatch League blows because it's this huge artificially built up thing designed to squash any independent competitive scene for the game from forming so that Blizzard has full control over it.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
Eh, I kinda like the idea of a professional league with a lot of money behind it trying to make a more traditional sports league. It sucks that in most esports the players have to make due on tournament winnings to make a living, so if you're middle of the pack or worse do you make enough to support yourself on your esports skills alone? It's good that someone is taking things seriously enough to treat the competitors like they've got an actual job. Helps legitimize things with the general public, which esports has been trying to do forever. It's about time they build local arenas in all the cities the teams supposedly represent though so that local fanbases can ACTUALLY attend a match.
The lack of women and the homophobia are huge problems and it's stupid they haven't done anything about it.
I think that it would be a very bad thing to build esports arenas like we do football stadiums, if esports were to somehow get to that level of popularity.
Because boy howdy do professional sports leagues really like to use their draw and local fanbases to extort things out of cities on the taxpayers dime.
"Sorry, the Dallas Overwatch team is moving to Chicago because the city wouldn't pay for an expansion for their arena".
I dunno, people talking about a tv show but not really about the tv show all the time?
Minorities in games, especially in big public setting like this, have had to take the high ground and take loads of abuse to get anywhere and still have to work next to people who call them slurs. I’m glad someone is just like “you know what fuck you guys you don’t deserve my civility” cause they don’t.
Minorities in games, especially in big public setting like this, have had to take the high ground and take loads of abuse to get anywhere and still have to work next to people who call them slurs. I’m glad someone is just like “you know what fuck you guys you don’t deserve my civility” cause they don’t.
100%. For years it was “well if you act like we tell you to and keep everything that straight/white/cis people find unpalatable out of view we’ll embrace you as third class citizens”. SonicFox is an example of someone saying “I’m going to do whatever I want and you’re going to deal with it because I’m better than you”. He’s totally unafraid of who he is.
Overwatch League blows because it's this huge artificially built up thing designed to squash any independent competitive scene for the game from forming so that Blizzard has full control over it.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
Eh, I kinda like the idea of a professional league with a lot of money behind it trying to make a more traditional sports league. It sucks that in most esports the players have to make due on tournament winnings to make a living, so if you're middle of the pack or worse do you make enough to support yourself on your esports skills alone? It's good that someone is taking things seriously enough to treat the competitors like they've got an actual job. Helps legitimize things with the general public, which esports has been trying to do forever. It's about time they build local arenas in all the cities the teams supposedly represent though so that local fanbases can ACTUALLY attend a match.
The lack of women and the homophobia are huge problems and it's stupid they haven't done anything about it.
I think that it would be a very bad thing to build esports arenas like we do football stadiums, if esports were to somehow get to that level of popularity.
Because boy howdy do professional sports leagues really like to use their draw and local fanbases to extort things out of cities on the taxpayers dime.
"Sorry, the Dallas Overwatch team is moving to Chicago because the city wouldn't pay for an expansion for their arena".
They’re gonna be real hard pressed to get public money for an unproven venture like esports when cities are even getting resistant to giving money to the NFL.
I’m talkin like a thousand seat theater here, not a billion dollar football stadium.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered Userregular
@Poorochondriac, what would your ideal "retro" esports tournament look like, games-wise?
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David_TA fashion yes-man is no good to me.Copenhagen, DenmarkRegistered Userregular
Overwatch League blows because it's this huge artificially built up thing designed to squash any independent competitive scene for the game from forming so that Blizzard has full control over it.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
Eh, I kinda like the idea of a professional league with a lot of money behind it trying to make a more traditional sports league. It sucks that in most esports the players have to make due on tournament winnings to make a living, so if you're middle of the pack or worse do you make enough to support yourself on your esports skills alone? It's good that someone is taking things seriously enough to treat the competitors like they've got an actual job. Helps legitimize things with the general public, which esports has been trying to do forever. It's about time they build local arenas in all the cities the teams supposedly represent though so that local fanbases can ACTUALLY attend a match.
The lack of women and the homophobia are huge problems and it's stupid they haven't done anything about it.
I think that it would be a very bad thing to build esports arenas like we do football stadiums, if esports were to somehow get to that level of popularity.
Because boy howdy do professional sports leagues really like to use their draw and local fanbases to extort things out of cities on the taxpayers dime.
"Sorry, the Dallas Overwatch team is moving to Chicago because the city wouldn't pay for an expansion for their arena".
Please.
The city wouldn't pay for the arena expansion pack.
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MaddocI'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother?Registered Userregular
They're apparently working on making a Black Tapes TV show, which...maybe they'll figure out what that story actually is in that format? I'm way behind on the podcast, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to bother catching up
They're apparently working on making a Black Tapes TV show, which...maybe they'll figure out what that story actually is in that format? I'm way behind on the podcast, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to bother catching up
I think I gave up on that midway through the... second season? I know there was a peristent thing that bugged me about it, but I’ll be damned if I can remember what it was.
They're apparently working on making a Black Tapes TV show, which...maybe they'll figure out what that story actually is in that format? I'm way behind on the podcast, and I honestly don't know if I'm going to bother catching up
I think I gave up on that midway through the... second season? I know there was a peristent thing that bugged me about it, but I’ll be damned if I can remember what it was.
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I'm speaking more in terms of how easy it is to watch the thing, rather than a commentary on the quality of the game itself.
You can't compete with the thing that literally hosts it's livestreams in game and sells in game "jerseys" of the teams. You can't compete with the scene that literally gives it's members a salary.
And of course all that control of the scene has been used, intentionally or not, to lock out almost anyone who isn't a cis dude.
"oh Vinny, what have you done!"
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Shit sucks.
Lets hope folks like SonicFox can help change that.
Eh, I kinda like the idea of a professional league with a lot of money behind it trying to make a more traditional sports league. It sucks that in most esports the players have to make due on tournament winnings to make a living, so if you're middle of the pack or worse do you make enough to support yourself on your esports skills alone? It's good that someone is taking things seriously enough to treat the competitors like they've got an actual job. Helps legitimize things with the general public, which esports has been trying to do forever. It's about time they build local arenas in all the cities the teams supposedly represent though so that local fanbases can ACTUALLY attend a match.
The lack of women and the homophobia are huge problems and it's stupid they haven't done anything about it.
SonicFox is less interested in combatting homophobia than saying “yeah, you should be scared”
This is absolutely a problem, yes.
To explore this more (because it is a very good point), do you think an element of that is the producers of these newer titles using the entire premise of esports for advertising/marketing?
And if so, how do we ever combat that?
I'd love if there was a retro tournament with stuff like Tekken Tag Tournament 1 or just standard Street Fighter 2 but if nobody puts up the cash...
I should be clear that I mean it as a compliment and I think that sonicfox is awesome. He has no interest in toning himself down for the approval of others, at all. It’s extremely admirable.
I think that it would be a very bad thing to build esports arenas like we do football stadiums, if esports were to somehow get to that level of popularity.
Because boy howdy do professional sports leagues really like to use their draw and local fanbases to extort things out of cities on the taxpayers dime.
"Sorry, the Dallas Overwatch team is moving to Chicago because the city wouldn't pay for an expansion for their arena".
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100%. For years it was “well if you act like we tell you to and keep everything that straight/white/cis people find unpalatable out of view we’ll embrace you as third class citizens”. SonicFox is an example of someone saying “I’m going to do whatever I want and you’re going to deal with it because I’m better than you”. He’s totally unafraid of who he is.
They’re gonna be real hard pressed to get public money for an unproven venture like esports when cities are even getting resistant to giving money to the NFL.
I’m talkin like a thousand seat theater here, not a billion dollar football stadium.
Please.
The city wouldn't pay for the arena expansion pack.
Let's all get together and play cash games of Warlords
Make it Windjammers with Warlords intermissions and now we’re cooking with gas
I think I gave up on that midway through the... second season? I know there was a peristent thing that bugged me about it, but I’ll be damned if I can remember what it was.
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Until you said this I thought so too.
has Downtown Griffey Newms voiced his opinions yet
That’s pretty cool
That's 1% higher than the new animated Spider-Man movie.
I mean, aside from "MY MAN!"
that was the best thing he said in Justice League by far
the best thing anyone said?