It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
I think it worked better in the new season to give the resentment some time to build in Bortus's family. I think if they had put this one in the last season, this arc would have felt too rushed. Like "Hey, we have a kid! Hey, the kid is female in an all male society, Hey, I resent the fact that you allowed the surgery to be done on our kid and have developed a massive holo-porn addiction to compensate" all in one season feels like a lot of focus on one main character and a recurring character.
Brief thought on Moklon divorce.
Am I reading too much into it to assume it's a slam on the general toxic masculinity of a male culture that they'd be cool with the idea that being fatally stabbed constitutes a reasonable divorce procedure, but never come up with the idea of sitting down and talking about the feelings that might lead to that stabbing? Like, the entire culture of guys would sooner get stabbed in the heart then sit down and talk about getting their feelings hurt or feeling disrespected in their marriage.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
I think it worked better in the new season to give the resentment some time to build in Bortus's family. I think if they had put this one in the last season, this arc would have felt too rushed. Like "Hey, we have a kid! Hey, the kid is female in an all male society, Hey, I resent the fact that you allowed the surgery to be done on our kid and have developed a massive holo-porn addiction to compensate" all in one season feels like a lot of focus on one main character and a recurring character.
Brief thought on Moklon divorce.
Am I reading too much into it to assume it's a slam on the general toxic masculinity of a male culture that they'd be cool with the idea that being fatally stabbed constitutes a reasonable divorce procedure, but never come up with the idea of sitting down and talking about the feelings that might lead to that stabbing? Like, the entire culture of guys would sooner get stabbed in the heart then sit down and talk about getting their feelings hurt or feeling disrespected in their marriage.
They only pee once a year. Keeping things pent up seems to be The Moklon Way.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
I think it worked better in the new season to give the resentment some time to build in Bortus's family. I think if they had put this one in the last season, this arc would have felt too rushed. Like "Hey, we have a kid! Hey, the kid is female in an all male society, Hey, I resent the fact that you allowed the surgery to be done on our kid and have developed a massive holo-porn addiction to compensate" all in one season feels like a lot of focus on one main character and a recurring character.
Brief thought on Moklon divorce.
Am I reading too much into it to assume it's a slam on the general toxic masculinity of a male culture that they'd be cool with the idea that being fatally stabbed constitutes a reasonable divorce procedure, but never come up with the idea of sitting down and talking about the feelings that might lead to that stabbing? Like, the entire culture of guys would sooner get stabbed in the heart then sit down and talk about getting their feelings hurt or feeling disrespected in their marriage.
It's definitely that and a commentary on how stupid Klingon culture can be if viewed from a non fan perspective.
Fun fact there are like 3 recurring female klingons in all of star trek. All 3 die.
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It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
I think it worked better in the new season to give the resentment some time to build in Bortus's family. I think if they had put this one in the last season, this arc would have felt too rushed. Like "Hey, we have a kid! Hey, the kid is female in an all male society, Hey, I resent the fact that you allowed the surgery to be done on our kid and have developed a massive holo-porn addiction to compensate" all in one season feels like a lot of focus on one main character and a recurring character.
Brief thought on Moklon divorce.
Am I reading too much into it to assume it's a slam on the general toxic masculinity of a male culture that they'd be cool with the idea that being fatally stabbed constitutes a reasonable divorce procedure, but never come up with the idea of sitting down and talking about the feelings that might lead to that stabbing? Like, the entire culture of guys would sooner get stabbed in the heart then sit down and talk about getting their feelings hurt or feeling disrespected in their marriage.
It's definitely that and a commentary on how stupid Klingon culture can be if viewed from a non fan perspective.
Fun fact there are like 3 recurring female klingons in all of star trek. All 3 die.
To be fair, there's been like 300 recurring male Klingons, and all but a handful die.
Sure, female Klingons deserve more screen time and recognition, but their death rate is hardly exceptional. The race are essentially tall hard-headed lemmings, with honor being the cliff.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
Oh. I thought @King Riptor was referring to Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement.
I thought Bortus was making a deserved slam about Isaac's limited understanding.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
Oh. I thought @King Riptor was referring to Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement.
I thought Bortus was making a deserved slam about Isaac's limited understanding.
I meant Mercer yeah. Bortus was fully justified and Isaac should know better at this point
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Ah okay, I must have totally missed that comment then I guess.
Still, regarding the exchange I was referring to:
Isaac made the suggestion, based on his understanding of evolution and "survival of the fittest" that only the best of the best should be chosen to bring along on the shuttle. Which yes, is wrong and not really ethical, but Isaac is still learning and part of his experience is understanding why it's not really the best solution. That's all true, and Bortus was right to point out that it was wrong, but something about the way he did it rubbed me the wrong way, especially coming from the guy who is basically cheating on his mate and lying to his superiors.
For someone who's behavior was pretty abhorrent the entire episode, the attitude of moral superiority just bothered me a lot in that moment.
Reg Barclay taken to the logical conclusion. You know where he was going with that "goddess of empathy" program if Riker and Geordi didn't walk in on his foreplay.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
I disagree.
We see the impetus of their marriage starting to crack, but the level of disconnection and brooding that Bortus has fallen into doesn't happen quickly. He hasn't just withdrawn from his mate, he's retreated so far into an addiction that he's one step above rock bottom, retreating from the rest of his life because there's nothing left of the part he's trying to escape from.
Rock bottom is buying bootleg gay alien orgy porn from a four armed half rhino/half orchid alien and picking up some horrible malware.
My mom saw the first episode of season one, maybe the second, and hated it for how silly it was. She watched episode one and 2 of season 2 and is finding herself liking the show. It's one of my favorites on right now.
I was going to make a joke about how porn hub doesn't have simulations, but then I realized of *course* they do. I bet there's a VR app on there right now.
We were a little weirded out about how far the show went to excuse Bortus' behavior. He lied to his superiors, (kinda?) cheated on his spouse, and almost got everyone killed!
We were a little weirded out about how far the show went to excuse Bortus' behavior. He lied to his superiors, (kinda?) cheated on his spouse, and almost got everyone killed!
I feel like he should have at least gotten a sanction or whatever they give but he did also go on a suicide mission with no complaints. That and his mental state are probably why he got a pass
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Star Trek rule of discipline: all's well that ends well. Unless you're Harry Kim, then you have two files because of all the formal reprimands.
"Lieutenant Barclay, you have improperly used the likenesses of your superiors, hijacked this ship, destroyed many of its vital systems, and ejected us beyond the edges of the known galaxy. However, you've made great strides to control your transporter phobia, so let's call this one a freebie."
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
Oh. I thought @King Riptor was referring to Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement.
I thought Bortus was making a deserved slam about Isaac's limited understanding.
Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement was just him blowing off some steam. Issac can be annoying to deal with.
It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
Oh. I thought @King Riptor was referring to Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement.
I thought Bortus was making a deserved slam about Isaac's limited understanding.
Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement was just him blowing off some steam. Issac can be annoying to deal with.
Oh, I didn't think it was wholely undeserved. Isaac's a dick. And the line coming out of nowhere and the delivery of it was IMO the funniest moment of the episode.
Just that it came out of nowhere, whereas Bortus's criticism had some significant "in the moment" justification to it.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
I would argue that his spending time with the doctor and her family is part of him doing his job. He's not only there to be the science officer of the Orville, he's also there (maybe primarily there) to observe and evaluate how the biological people operate on every level for his race. Having the opportunity to observe a family unit in a school setting would certainly get him a perspective on that front that could not be achieved by sitting at a console on the bridge.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
I would argue that his spending time with the doctor and her family is part of him doing his job. He's not only there to be the science officer of the Orville, he's also there (maybe primarily there) to observe and evaluate how the biological people operate on every level for his race. Having the opportunity to observe a family unit in a school setting would certainly get him a perspective on that front that could not be achieved by sitting at a console on the bridge.
I also think him asking about
sexuality
might lead to him wondering if he should explore that seeing how much of a driving force it is in biological beings
Plus, I'm just guessing here, I'm pretty sure Isaac's people could have emotions if they really wanted. If you're an artificial life form that complete, not having emotions is basically a deliberate choice at some point.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
Issac was a real prick in this episode. His race has developed arrogance.
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
I would argue that his spending time with the doctor and her family is part of him doing his job. He's not only there to be the science officer of the Orville, he's also there (maybe primarily there) to observe and evaluate how the biological people operate on every level for his race. Having the opportunity to observe a family unit in a school setting would certainly get him a perspective on that front that could not be achieved by sitting at a console on the bridge.
I also think him asking about
sexuality
might lead to him wondering if he should explore that seeing how much of a driving force it is in biological beings
Plus, I'm just guessing here, I'm pretty sure Isaac's people could have emotions if they really wanted. If you're an artificial life form that complete, not having emotions is basically a deliberate choice at some point.
You know he stuck around in the Gardens of Ecstasy for a while.
Seems like the sci-fi story in a show like this should be the "A" plot of any given episode, with relationship drama relegated to the "B" plot. With occasional exceptions, of course.
The whole dying-planet thing felt kinda phoned-in. Everyone seemed super chill despite having made first-contact with aliens mere hours before the extinction of their race and destruction of their planet.
Also with the whole "we can only fit so many in the shuttle" thing you'd think they'd have been packed in like sardines. There was so much extra room.
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It was good. It definitely makes more sense if it was part of last season though. Also theres a weird out of nowhere Issac slam that made no sense.
Brief thought on Moklon divorce.
It's definitely that and a commentary on how stupid Klingon culture can be if viewed from a non fan perspective.
Fun fact there are like 3 recurring female klingons in all of star trek. All 3 die.
To be fair, there's been like 300 recurring male Klingons, and all but a handful die.
Sure, female Klingons deserve more screen time and recognition, but their death rate is hardly exceptional. The race are essentially tall hard-headed lemmings, with honor being the cliff.
Particularly when the slam was coming from Bortus of all people. It's not like Isaac was entirely wrong either. Bortus was probably "more" right, but he didn't need to be such a dick about it.
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Oh. I thought @King Riptor was referring to Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement.
I thought Bortus was making a deserved slam about Isaac's limited understanding.
I meant Mercer yeah. Bortus was fully justified and Isaac should know better at this point
Still, regarding the exchange I was referring to:
For someone who's behavior was pretty abhorrent the entire episode, the attitude of moral superiority just bothered me a lot in that moment.
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The whole episode I was desperately hoping he’d walk into the Not Holodeck and find an office with a black faux-leather couch then cut scene.
I was going to make a joke about how porn hub doesn't have simulations, but then I realized of *course* they do. I bet there's a VR app on there right now.
"Lieutenant Barclay, you have improperly used the likenesses of your superiors, hijacked this ship, destroyed many of its vital systems, and ejected us beyond the edges of the known galaxy. However, you've made great strides to control your transporter phobia, so let's call this one a freebie."
Mercer's Speak-n-Spell statement was just him blowing off some steam. Issac can be annoying to deal with.
Oh, I didn't think it was wholely undeserved. Isaac's a dick. And the line coming out of nowhere and the delivery of it was IMO the funniest moment of the episode.
Just that it came out of nowhere, whereas Bortus's criticism had some significant "in the moment" justification to it.
It's important to develop the characters, but I'm just not having that much fun having 80% of an episode dedicated to
So far, both episodes have barely anything other happening than relationships
He's the only representative of his race in the Union, and everyone in his race thinks they are flat-out superior to biological life in every way. Arrogance is basically their default existence, they just wouldn't even see it that way.
I think it's more that Isaac is developing an actual sense of sass, and is now intentionally making sarcastic remarks over just misunderstanding things. It might be thinking to much into it, but he's certainly developing rudimentary preferences when it comes to people; he's a synthetic superbrain with plenty of work to do, yet decided to spend some of his limited time getting the son of his colleague out of trouble.
I would argue that his spending time with the doctor and her family is part of him doing his job. He's not only there to be the science officer of the Orville, he's also there (maybe primarily there) to observe and evaluate how the biological people operate on every level for his race. Having the opportunity to observe a family unit in a school setting would certainly get him a perspective on that front that could not be achieved by sitting at a console on the bridge.
I also think him asking about
Plus, I'm just guessing here, I'm pretty sure Isaac's people could have emotions if they really wanted. If you're an artificial life form that complete, not having emotions is basically a deliberate choice at some point.
You know he stuck around in the Gardens of Ecstasy for a while.
Also with the whole "we can only fit so many in the shuttle" thing you'd think they'd have been packed in like sardines. There was so much extra room.
Like, really?
Mercer would say no.
I like that they explore how a weird homoerotic S&M warrior culture would actually look to outside observers.