I would be more likely to buy an argument that So-and-so Whitecoach was the best choice if they weren't constantly recycling failures like Adam Gase.
Well its like all the QBs that get a chance over Kaepernick despite it being awful everytime. The NFL has outward racism with regards to the kneeling moment, its not hard to believe shocking that racism would come into coach hiring.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Dominique Foxworth has a really good article on The Undefeated about this. In particular on how fucking terrible the Kingsbury hire is, even by the low NFL standards.
Actually, Belichick worked his way up from college. He was a college coach who Parcells got hired to coach the secondary of the Giants when Parcells became their defensive coordinator.
He still benefited from having Steve Belichick as his father.
That opened doors for him along the way, until he had made enough of his own reputation to work with that.
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I would be more likely to buy an argument that So-and-so Whitecoach was the best choice if they weren't constantly recycling failures like Adam Gase.
I don't think Gase is a failure anymore than Todd Bowles. They were both set up by their employers to fail and both deserve another shot. That's not a defense of NFL owners, they are racist for sure. Just a defense of Gase, who got a raw deal.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
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"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
Sure, the other team has to lose in order for one team to win. I don't like Garrett at all as a coach, but its hard to say he's bad when his team is where it is.
Actually, Belichick worked his way up from college. He was a college coach who Parcells got hired to coach the secondary of the Giants when Parcells became their defensive coordinator.
Nope BB never coached in college. Colts, Lions, Broncos then Giants. Got the first job because his father was a very famous scout
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Also Parcells didn't hire him, Ray Perkins did.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
Sure, the other team has to lose in order for one team to win. I don't like Garrett at all as a coach, but its hard to say he's bad when his team is where it is.
It is easy to break a team's success down into other teams failing to beat them, but rarely does it feel as right to do as it does with a Garrett coached Cowboys.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
Sure, the other team has to lose in order for one team to win. I don't like Garrett at all as a coach, but its hard to say he's bad when his team is where it is.
It is easy to break a team's success down into other teams failing to beat them, but rarely does it feel as right to do as it does with a Garrett coached Cowboys.
I was just told by one source about a half hour ago that the #Bengals are planning to name Zac Taylor as their Head Coach (after playoffs of course). I'm told by the same source that Troy and Katie made the call. Stay tuned.
Elise Jesse - Sports Anchor/Reporter for WLWT, Cincinnati.
Zac Taylor is the Qb coach for the Rams.
I was just told by one source about a half hour ago that the #Bengals are planning to name Zac Taylor as their Head Coach (after playoffs of course). I'm told by the same source that Troy and Katie made the call. Stay tuned.
Elise Jesse - Sports Anchor/Reporter for WLWT, Cincinnati.
Zac Taylor is the Qb coach for the Rams.
A GIS shows he's the right color for the position.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I was just told by one source about a half hour ago that the #Bengals are planning to name Zac Taylor as their Head Coach (after playoffs of course). I'm told by the same source that Troy and Katie made the call. Stay tuned.
Elise Jesse - Sports Anchor/Reporter for WLWT, Cincinnati.
Zac Taylor is the Qb coach for the Rams.
A GIS shows he's the right color for the position.
While I do find the joke funny, it's hard to rag on the Bengals of all teams for institutional racism. They could have easily axed Marvin Lewis at least 4 other times in the last 10 years, and didn't.
Cause don't get me wrong, Marvin Lewis doesn't appear to have been a great coach, and the retention of both Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict long past when they should have been cut/traded, shows he wasn't a moral leader either, but it's not like Mike Brown didn't give him his chances. And given the other coach openly considered for the job this year (Hue Brown), it's hard to say picking someone from an offense as strong at times (they've faded off a bit IMO) as the Rams is a bad option.
Does McVay need his lawn mowed or car washed or anything of the sort? I would be willing to do those things for a year so I could get HC job next year.
"Kingsbury fits all the criteria to be a head coach in the NFL: He's an offensive genius, he's young — and he's white, and not necessarily in that order."
WFAA is a broadcast station in Dallas.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
The Cowboys coach Jason Garrett is in his ninth year — apparently because he wins so much.
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
Nah. Garrett is in the second round because his opponent was trying to run into a brick wall over and over, thinking, "Yes! This time should do it!"
I was just told by one source about a half hour ago that the #Bengals are planning to name Zac Taylor as their Head Coach (after playoffs of course). I'm told by the same source that Troy and Katie made the call. Stay tuned.
Elise Jesse - Sports Anchor/Reporter for WLWT, Cincinnati.
Zac Taylor is the Qb coach for the Rams.
A GIS shows he's the right color for the position.
While I do find the joke funny, it's hard to rag on the Bengals of all teams for institutional racism. They could have easily axed Marvin Lewis at least 4 other times in the last 10 years, and didn't.
Cause don't get me wrong, Marvin Lewis doesn't appear to have been a great coach, and the retention of both Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict long past when they should have been cut/traded, shows he wasn't a moral leader either, but it's not like Mike Brown didn't give him his chances. And given the other coach openly considered for the job this year (Hue Brown), it's hard to say picking someone from an offense as strong at times (they've faded off a bit IMO) as the Rams is a bad option.
The Bengals history here is what makes this one a gut punch though. I had hope!
The NFL fired 5 black coaches and 1 black GM and not a single new HC or GM is a person of color.
The people who were hired to replace them are:
TV analyst (Mayock)
Losing coach of a low end B12 program (KK who coaches the Ks)
A 60 year old first time HC (Fangio)
FotM offensive dude and honestly? Goff isn’t that good (Taylor)
Internal promotion who has great rapport with new franchise QB but has no HC experience (Kitchens)
Apparently emotionally unstable AFCE retread who is loathed by his players (Gase)
These teams may not be trying to be directly racist, but by being directly stupid they are perpetuating the issue.
Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
It's silly in any circumstance to throw shit at Cincinnati for this, at least this year.
My big hang-up is that now only did everyone pass on hiring a person of color, I think a whole bunch of them didn't even interview one.
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Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
Lewis was not a bad coach. He was an average coach. He went 131-122-3 over sixteen years. He had six seasons with a losing record, seven with a winning record, and three where he went 8-8. He did it while playing in a division that generally had two perennial playoff contenders (and one punching bag). He could do a perfectly serviceable job every year. He couldn't elevate a team.
For all that people complain about the likes of Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, and Pete Carroll, they're all at least 32 wins over .500 over their careers, which is damn hard. Lewis isn't on their tier, but he's not terrible.
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Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
Lewis was not a bad coach. He was an average coach. He went 131-122-3 over sixteen years. He had six seasons with a losing record, seven with a winning record, and three where he went 8-8. He did it while playing in a division that generally had two perennial playoff contenders (and one punching bag). He could do a perfectly serviceable job every year. He couldn't elevate a team.
For all that people complain about the likes of Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, and Pete Carroll, they're all at least 32 wins over .500 over their careers, which is damn hard. Lewis isn't on their tier, but he's not terrible.
The biggest knock against Lewis is that he apparently helped create a pretty toxic culture that let guys like Pac man and Burfict thrive.
Also of that list you put out, only Harbaugh has seen mediocre quarterbacks on his roster the majority of his time as a head coach.
Four of them have coached likely future hall of famers during the bulk of their tenure. Andy Reid has had McNabb and Mahomes and a few guys at least as good as Flacco.
Lewis has had bad injury luck at the position and middling talent.
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Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
It's silly in any circumstance to throw shit at Cincinnati for this, at least this year.
My big hang-up is that now only did everyone pass on hiring a person of color, I think a whole bunch of them didn't even interview one.
Yeah its not to say the Bengals should have kept on Lewis he was obviously a bad coach regardless of color. But that they fired a black head coach and replaced him with a white one is the problem. Especially when that's exactly what the rest of the league is doing too.
It's silly in any circumstance to throw shit at Cincinnati for this, at least this year.
My big hang-up is that now only did everyone pass on hiring a person of color, I think a whole bunch of them didn't even interview one.
Well the Browns interviewed Jim Caldwell so...
Ugh
I think he’s a good coach! Or at least one that can steady a team notorious for being bad
Denver OC Gary Kubiak is now former OC Gary Kubiak. It appears that what he wanted to do was not what the team wanted to do.
Former Denver OC Gary Kubiak is still under contract as part of player personnel.
Denver GM John Elway still doesn't know what he is doing.
I haven't really followed the Broncos that much, but outside of being hired a couple months before they drafted Von Miller, and arguably being the one to hire Peyton Manning, has Elway done anything else of note in his 8 years in the position? Cause all I see are a bunch of busted draft choices, bad coaching decisions, and little to justify his position.
Denver OC Gary Kubiak is now former OC Gary Kubiak. It appears that what he wanted to do was not what the team wanted to do.
Former Denver OC Gary Kubiak is still under contract as part of player personnel.
Denver GM John Elway still doesn't know what he is doing.
I haven't really followed the Broncos that much, but outside of being hired a couple months before they drafted Von Miller, and arguably being the one to hire Peyton Manning, has Elway done anything else of note in his 8 years in the position? Cause all I see are a bunch of busted draft choices, bad coaching decisions, and little to justify his position.
Denver OC Gary Kubiak is now former OC Gary Kubiak. It appears that what he wanted to do was not what the team wanted to do.
Former Denver OC Gary Kubiak is still under contract as part of player personnel.
Denver GM John Elway still doesn't know what he is doing.
I haven't really followed the Broncos that much, but outside of being hired a couple months before they drafted Von Miller, and arguably being the one to hire Peyton Manning, has Elway done anything else of note in his 8 years in the position? Cause all I see are a bunch of busted draft choices, bad coaching decisions, and little to justify his position.
Is it just nostalgia that keeps him in the job?
Won a Suberb Owl. I mean, it's right there.
I was gonna point out that that didn't help the jobs of the coaching staffs, then I remembered that was Kubiak and his own withdrawal.
Which makes the whole current status of Kubiak all the more weird.
Denver OC Gary Kubiak is now former OC Gary Kubiak. It appears that what he wanted to do was not what the team wanted to do.
Former Denver OC Gary Kubiak is still under contract as part of player personnel.
Denver GM John Elway still doesn't know what he is doing.
I haven't really followed the Broncos that much, but outside of being hired a couple months before they drafted Von Miller, and arguably being the one to hire Peyton Manning, has Elway done anything else of note in his 8 years in the position? Cause all I see are a bunch of busted draft choices, bad coaching decisions, and little to justify his position.
Is it just nostalgia that keeps him in the job?
Packers stayed with Bart Starr as head coach for like a decade of terrible in the late 70's and early 80's. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver catches on that Elway is their problem for a couple years.
Elway basically owns enough of Colorado to do whatever he wants. If he wanted to be a self appointed governor of the state, no one would stop him. Best to keep him busy as GM instead.
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Well its like all the QBs that get a chance over Kaepernick despite it being awful everytime. The NFL has outward racism with regards to the kneeling moment, its not hard to believe shocking that racism would come into coach hiring.
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He still benefited from having Steve Belichick as his father.
That opened doors for him along the way, until he had made enough of his own reputation to work with that.
I don't think Gase is a failure anymore than Todd Bowles. They were both set up by their employers to fail and both deserve another shot. That's not a defense of NFL owners, they are racist for sure. Just a defense of Gase, who got a raw deal.
It surprises me a bit you left this out:
I mean this isn't the greatest year to rag on him considering he's in round two of the playoffs.
Garrett is in the second round because Janikowski is old.
Sure, the other team has to lose in order for one team to win. I don't like Garrett at all as a coach, but its hard to say he's bad when his team is where it is.
Nope BB never coached in college. Colts, Lions, Broncos then Giants. Got the first job because his father was a very famous scout
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Also Parcells didn't hire him, Ray Perkins did.
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It is easy to break a team's success down into other teams failing to beat them, but rarely does it feel as right to do as it does with a Garrett coached Cowboys.
Jason Garrett is the Marv Lewis of Dallas.
Zac Taylor is the Qb coach for the Rams.
A GIS shows he's the right color for the position.
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While I do find the joke funny, it's hard to rag on the Bengals of all teams for institutional racism. They could have easily axed Marvin Lewis at least 4 other times in the last 10 years, and didn't.
Cause don't get me wrong, Marvin Lewis doesn't appear to have been a great coach, and the retention of both Pacman Jones and Vontaze Burfict long past when they should have been cut/traded, shows he wasn't a moral leader either, but it's not like Mike Brown didn't give him his chances. And given the other coach openly considered for the job this year (Hue Brown), it's hard to say picking someone from an offense as strong at times (they've faded off a bit IMO) as the Rams is a bad option.
Nah. Garrett is in the second round because his opponent was trying to run into a brick wall over and over, thinking, "Yes! This time should do it!"
The Bengals history here is what makes this one a gut punch though. I had hope!
The NFL fired 5 black coaches and 1 black GM and not a single new HC or GM is a person of color.
The people who were hired to replace them are:
TV analyst (Mayock)
Losing coach of a low end B12 program (KK who coaches the Ks)
A 60 year old first time HC (Fangio)
FotM offensive dude and honestly? Goff isn’t that good (Taylor)
Internal promotion who has great rapport with new franchise QB but has no HC experience (Kitchens)
Apparently emotionally unstable AFCE retread who is loathed by his players (Gase)
These teams may not be trying to be directly racist, but by being directly stupid they are perpetuating the issue.
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It doesn't help and still adds to the problem, though.
It's silly in any circumstance to throw shit at Cincinnati for this, at least this year.
My big hang-up is that now only did everyone pass on hiring a person of color, I think a whole bunch of them didn't even interview one.
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Lewis was not a bad coach. He was an average coach. He went 131-122-3 over sixteen years. He had six seasons with a losing record, seven with a winning record, and three where he went 8-8. He did it while playing in a division that generally had two perennial playoff contenders (and one punching bag). He could do a perfectly serviceable job every year. He couldn't elevate a team.
For all that people complain about the likes of Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, and Pete Carroll, they're all at least 32 wins over .500 over their careers, which is damn hard. Lewis isn't on their tier, but he's not terrible.
The biggest knock against Lewis is that he apparently helped create a pretty toxic culture that let guys like Pac man and Burfict thrive.
Also of that list you put out, only Harbaugh has seen mediocre quarterbacks on his roster the majority of his time as a head coach.
Four of them have coached likely future hall of famers during the bulk of their tenure. Andy Reid has had McNabb and Mahomes and a few guys at least as good as Flacco.
Lewis has had bad injury luck at the position and middling talent.
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In front of 27,000 screaming Colts fans.
Well the Browns interviewed Jim Caldwell so...
Ugh
I think he’s a good coach! Or at least one that can steady a team notorious for being bad
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Former Denver OC Gary Kubiak is still under contract as part of player personnel.
Denver GM John Elway still doesn't know what he is doing.
I haven't really followed the Broncos that much, but outside of being hired a couple months before they drafted Von Miller, and arguably being the one to hire Peyton Manning, has Elway done anything else of note in his 8 years in the position? Cause all I see are a bunch of busted draft choices, bad coaching decisions, and little to justify his position.
Is it just nostalgia that keeps him in the job?
Won a Suberb Owl. I mean, it's right there.
I was gonna point out that that didn't help the jobs of the coaching staffs, then I remembered that was Kubiak and his own withdrawal.
Which makes the whole current status of Kubiak all the more weird.
Anybody need a seasoned, veteran LB to lead and mentor their defense for a couple of years?
I thought that was, like, one of the reasons we fired our GM, but, cool. Cool cool cool.
Packers stayed with Bart Starr as head coach for like a decade of terrible in the late 70's and early 80's. I wouldn't be shocked if Denver catches on that Elway is their problem for a couple years.
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