I just find it really goofy when non-smut comics give characters female characters ridiculous proportions.
E: to respond to the edit, no, nobody has non-augmented breasts where each boob is literally larger than their waist (the second image is much more reasonable than the first)
genetics are wild buddy
also what the fuck does "non-augmented" have to do with it
Genetics aren't wild enough to cause the equivalent of a 50+ inch bust on a 24 inch waist.
"Non-augmented" was a caveat since I don't like to make absolute statements and you can get those sort of proportions surgically. I don't have anything against people doing whst they want with their bodies.
First of all you are taking exact proportions on a fairly stylized drawing way too seriously. Second of all, naw fam, there's some skinny-ass girls out there with massive natural busts--you have no idea how wide human anatomy ranges. But also if it doesn't matter whether they're natural or not (and it doesn't), that circles back to my original point then that calling them "ridiculous" is body shaming. It's implicitly passing judgement on real life people who look that way--whether naturally or by choice. It's possible to discuss the author's choices in those portrayals without also incidentally perpetrating patriarchal mandates on what female bodies are "acceptable".
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Over the years, I’ve seen fans create comparison charts of the female characters’ boobs and outfits in each successive Soulcalibur game, trying to map their changing cup sizes and the relative revealing nature of each outfit. This sort of comparison tends to be done with good intent, as though there could be a mathematical equation to dictate when the plunging neckline on Sophitia’s blue lace-up top goes from “classy” to “trashy.” But that dichotomy spirals out into suggestions that certain bodies are inherently inappropriate and shameful, with no regard for the actual women in the world who also share Ivy’s cup size, who grew up playing this game and hearing pejorative descriptions of her body.
A ComicBook.com article about Soulcalibur VI refers to Ivy as a “scantily clad boob monster” not once but twice. Metro’s coverage of the game described Ivy’s “design and attire” as “problematic” without mentioning the other female fighters, presumably because Ivy is the go-to example. In one Twitch stream that I watched of Soulcalibur VI, the hosts joked that Ivy Valentine was “not stream-appropriate” and didn’t select her, although characters like Talim and Seong Mi-Na didn’t seem to embarrass them.
Again, it may be my lack of reading the comic from the start that's coloring my perceptions but I'm not exactly feeling a lot of sympathy for Ana at this current moment.
I just find it really goofy when non-smut comics give characters female characters ridiculous proportions.
E: to respond to the edit, no, nobody has non-augmented breasts where each boob is literally larger than their waist (the second image is much more reasonable than the first)
genetics are wild buddy
also what the fuck does "non-augmented" have to do with it
Genetics aren't wild enough to cause the equivalent of a 50+ inch bust on a 24 inch waist.
"Non-augmented" was a caveat since I don't like to make absolute statements and you can get those sort of proportions surgically. I don't have anything against people doing whst they want with their bodies.
First of all you are taking exact proportions on a fairly stylized drawing way too seriously. Second of all, naw fam, there's some skinny-ass girls out there with massive natural busts--you have no idea how wide human anatomy ranges. But also if it doesn't matter whether they're natural or not (and it doesn't), that circles back to my original point then that calling them "ridiculous" is body shaming. It's implicitly passing judgement on real life people who look that way--whether naturally or by choice. It's possible to discuss the author's choices in those portrayals without also incidentally perpetrating patriarchal mandates on what female bodies are "acceptable".
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I absolutely started playing Jiggs as a way to “go easy” on the people at my dorm who were not great at smash. Then I quickly learned that she was insanely good.
But at that time she was only considered mid tier at best. It took about ten years before they recognized her as the god of destruction that she is.
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I absolutely started playing Jiggs as a way to “go easy” on the people at my dorm who were not great at smash. Then I quickly learned that she was insanely good.
But at that time she was only considered mid tier at best. It took about ten years before they recognized her as the god of destruction that she is.
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Over the years, I’ve seen fans create comparison charts of the female characters’ boobs and outfits in each successive Soulcalibur game, trying to map their changing cup sizes and the relative revealing nature of each outfit. This sort of comparison tends to be done with good intent, as though there could be a mathematical equation to dictate when the plunging neckline on Sophitia’s blue lace-up top goes from “classy” to “trashy.” But that dichotomy spirals out into suggestions that certain bodies are inherently inappropriate and shameful, with no regard for the actual women in the world who also share Ivy’s cup size, who grew up playing this game and hearing pejorative descriptions of her body.
A ComicBook.com article about Soulcalibur VI refers to Ivy as a “scantily clad boob monster” not once but twice. Metro’s coverage of the game described Ivy’s “design and attire” as “problematic” without mentioning the other female fighters, presumably because Ivy is the go-to example. In one Twitch stream that I watched of Soulcalibur VI, the hosts joked that Ivy Valentine was “not stream-appropriate” and didn’t select her, although characters like Talim and Seong Mi-Na didn’t seem to embarrass them.
I get the sense that thirsty character designers hide behind stuff like this to disguise their genuinely unflattering taste. https://youtu.be/ke1YKF3tNCE
This basically. Like, the dudes who made DOA weren't thinking about the variety of female bodies there are in the world and how they're all beautiful. Because the girls in that game have similar proportions to each other, for the most part.
Sure but the point of that article isn't that you can't or shouldn't criticize their intentions, it's that a lot of that criticism is itself steeped in a sort of casual misogyny that's so endemic that people don't even realize they're doing it. It's about being more aware of the implications of what you're saying and how you're expressing those ideas and not fighting the patriarchy with more patriarchy.
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And like... actual women who have those proportions aren't being helped by you referring to them as "titty monsters". We shouldn't be shaming the bodies of real people just because they resemble some dude's fetish.
And like... actual women who have those proportions aren't being helped by you referring to them as "titty monsters". We shouldn't be shaming the bodies of real people just because they resemble some dude's fetish.
The character in question is literally a monster.
edit- also I can't find any post that refers to a "titty monster" but maybe it was edited out. editedit-nope, it was in teh spoilered article!
It certainly never occurred to me before that calling Ivy a big titty monster might be misogynistic and demeaning to real people with large breasts. I will notice that happening in my thinking more in the future where before I would have just not noticed that at all, and find better ways to critique character designers who design exclusively with their genitalia.
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And like... actual women who have those proportions aren't being helped by you referring to them as "titty monsters". We shouldn't be shaming the bodies of real people just because they resemble some dude's fetish.
Has anyone else been getting ads for incest webcomics? I even have adblock installed but they keep appearing. It's not just one, but multiple. Some kind of a digital manga website.
Just me? Oh dear.
Nah I got a bunch too. Not even the kind I like smh
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I will laugh at Ivy all day long, not because of her big bouncy lovingly rendered 6gb boobs but because of her stupid shoestring and belt buckle costumes.
Japanese media maybe isn’t the best hill to plant the flag of female representation on.
I will laugh at Ivy all day long, not because of her big bouncy lovingly rendered 6gb boobs but because of her stupid shoestring and belt buckle costumes.
Japanese media maybe isn’t the best hill to plant the flag of female representation on.
Please read the article, because I don't think you understand the point it's making.
the simplest way to explain this is that vocabulary that fixates on criticizing a fictional woman via body parts, like "titty monster", is at the same time phrases that actual, real women hear used against themselves
many of the character designs we are discussing are indeed made by men to fetishize, but in a world where many women are fetishized by men for their bodies, it is not strange to think that they might find some simple camraderie with these fictional characters
The important distinction is criticizing the intentions of the creator without denigrating the actual bodies they've created. It's similar to the problem with insults based on appearance--you end up catching innocent people in the cross-fire by making them feel like they are bad by association.
Has anyone else been getting ads for incest webcomics? I even have adblock installed but they keep appearing. It's not just one, but multiple. Some kind of a digital manga website.
Just me? Oh dear.
It's not even one of those websites that puts stuff behind a monthly paywalls you have to do microtransactions to read chapters.
An internal/external discipline, widely respected as the most dangerous Fist Art in the multiverse. It’s core technique is a breathing method that allows internal force to be cultivated extremely rapidly and focused on a point smaller than a pin-prick, giving blows absolutely phenomenal power. Blows using this technique are named by the number of points they contain – one point blows are strong enough to crack stone with a touch. Two point blows can decapitate a man with the air pressure created by flicking a finger. Legends about of old masters of Ki Rata using ten point blows to level cities but I find the claim highly dubious.
I have found nobody willing to train me in this art and none who will grant me observation. Improper use of a Ki Rata technique will literally tear a man’s own body into pieces, so I have not attempted to study it myself. The only living masters live in the (remarkably pretty) land of Rayuba and are staunch pacifists, having, according to legend, culled their order to a single community. Reportedly the only time they ever use their considerable talents is to kill someone who somehow manages to learn a Ki Rata technique without being trained by them first. They only take apprentices to replace an old master when he dies, so that someone will always be around to make sure Ki Rata does not exist in the wider world. Many supplicants flock to Rayuba in the hopes of being trained by the masters, who sometimes are forced into self defense when they are challenged to unwanted duels.
When I arrived there hoping for some insight, I witnessed such a duel between a low-ranking monk of the style and a well-known master of Pilgrim fist. Within three moves, the monk, a rather short fellow, use a two finger one-point technique to completely vaporize the bones in both the master’s arms.
I am strongly dissuaded to continue pressing my study of this art and will write no further on it.”
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Credit where it's due, Incubus is probably still an an enormous asshole but the story is a fairly made point
strong argument that what we're seeing is solomon's backstory too
It's not really subtle there with the alt text (or art).
Makes sense that his challenge is for someone to merely draw blood on him, if he mastered such an art. I imagine the next step is he slaughters the guy who conquered his world and takes his key.
I will laugh at Ivy all day long, not because of her big bouncy lovingly rendered 6gb boobs but because of her stupid shoestring and belt buckle costumes.
Japanese media maybe isn’t the best hill to plant the flag of female representation on.
don't deflect arguments with generalizations about other cultures, thanks
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First of all you are taking exact proportions on a fairly stylized drawing way too seriously. Second of all, naw fam, there's some skinny-ass girls out there with massive natural busts--you have no idea how wide human anatomy ranges. But also if it doesn't matter whether they're natural or not (and it doesn't), that circles back to my original point then that calling them "ridiculous" is body shaming. It's implicitly passing judgement on real life people who look that way--whether naturally or by choice. It's possible to discuss the author's choices in those portrayals without also incidentally perpetrating patriarchal mandates on what female bodies are "acceptable".
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A ComicBook.com article about Soulcalibur VI refers to Ivy as a “scantily clad boob monster” not once but twice. Metro’s coverage of the game described Ivy’s “design and attire” as “problematic” without mentioning the other female fighters, presumably because Ivy is the go-to example. In one Twitch stream that I watched of Soulcalibur VI, the hosts joked that Ivy Valentine was “not stream-appropriate” and didn’t select her, although characters like Talim and Seong Mi-Na didn’t seem to embarrass them.
https://kotaku.com/the-inexplicable-sexiness-of-ivy-valentine-1830565103
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Again, it may be my lack of reading the comic from the start that's coloring my perceptions but I'm not exactly feeling a lot of sympathy for Ana at this current moment.
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I absolutely started playing Jiggs as a way to “go easy” on the people at my dorm who were not great at smash. Then I quickly learned that she was insanely good.
But at that time she was only considered mid tier at best. It took about ten years before they recognized her as the god of destruction that she is.
I'm reading this post in a ken-burns-documentary-narrator-reading-a-letter voice
Just me? Oh dear.
I get the sense that thirsty character designers hide behind stuff like this to disguise their genuinely unflattering taste.
This basically. Like, the dudes who made DOA weren't thinking about the variety of female bodies there are in the world and how they're all beautiful. Because the girls in that game have similar proportions to each other, for the most part.
edit- also I can't find any post that refers to a "titty monster" but maybe it was edited out. editedit-nope, it was in teh spoilered article!
Ivy from soul calibur?
Nah I got a bunch too. Not even the kind I like smh
Japanese media maybe isn’t the best hill to plant the flag of female representation on.
Please read the article, because I don't think you understand the point it's making.
many of the character designs we are discussing are indeed made by men to fetishize, but in a world where many women are fetishized by men for their bodies, it is not strange to think that they might find some simple camraderie with these fictional characters
It's not even one of those websites that puts stuff behind a monthly paywalls you have to do microtransactions to read chapters.
*sees boob talk*
*backs away slowly*
Need thicc action women comics. Gravity defying explosions.
*backs out door and closes it*
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It's not really subtle there with the alt text (or art).
Makes sense that his challenge is for someone to merely draw blood on him, if he mastered such an art. I imagine the next step is he slaughters the guy who conquered his world and takes his key.
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