The ultimate answer to the problem of China influencing American corporations is to restructure American capitalism in a way that stops it from basically requiring infinite growth; it barely matters how profitable you are domestically when investors expect quarter over quarter growth, forever. Corporate leaders bend over backwards for China because ultimately it’s how they keep their jobs.
I’m not sure what narrow regulatory approach fixes the situation, really
Not really. It's got nothing to do with "infinite growth". It's a giant market they want in on because they want to make money.
There is no regulatory framework around this imo. You just straight up have to find a way to lean on China and force them to cut this shit out.
The market’s expectation does provide shitty incentives that have a huge influence on what the vast majority of companies are willing to do re: China (or human rights generally, labor, the environment, etc etc etc)
I do think capitalism has a fatal exhaust port and we’re all going to get use the force’d sooner rather than later by it, but I’m still fine with Warren calling herself a capitalist (and Bernie stating this fact? Really?)
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At some point you need to start asking yourself what kind of proposals and plans can actually win in swing states but it's important that Sanders shows that many primary voters are on board with some relatively far-left policies. Problem is that I fear he is getting his supporters all hopped-up and then when someone like Warren, who is solidly on Obama's left, takes the nomination she will look worse by comparison. His contingent is never big enough to win elections when they turn out but big enough to make close elections scary if they get demotivated.
Biden is a non-starter now that he and Hunter are validating Trump's attacks and trying to be squeaky-clean, as if they had anything to be apologize for in the first place. Joe and his team have no f-ing clue about how the game will be played.
I do think there's a meaningful distinction between Bernie and Warren there, although many of their specific policy proposals are similar. I sense--and yes, this is speculative--that Bernie views his proposals as stepping stones toward a socialist revolution, while Warren views hers as fixes for the system worth doing for their own sake. In other words, I don't think she believes capitalism is a broken system the way Bernie seems to feel, I think she just wants to do a lot more to regulate and manage the market, and a lot more to help people on the lower rungs of the ladder.
Functionally, their fiscal approaches would probably look somewhat similar, or at least in the same basic range, as opposed to say, Biden. But rhetorically, and in leadership moving forward, I think they have differing end goals.
this isn't speculative at all really, you're just describing the situation. i wouldn't use the word "revolution" personally but otherwise i don't think any of this is really debatable
At some point you need to start asking yourself what kind of proposals and plans can actually win in swing states but it's important that Sanders shows that many primary voters are on board with some relatively far-left policies. Problem is that I fear he is getting his supporters all hopped-up and then when someone like Warren, who is solidly on Obama's left, takes the nomination she will look worse by comparison. His contingent is never big enough to win elections when they turn out but big enough to make close elections scary if they get demotivated.
Biden is a non-starter now that he and Hunter are validating Trump's attacks and trying to be squeaky-clean, as if they had anything to be apologize for in the first place. Joe and his team have no f-ing clue about how the game will be played.
what if hunter doubled down on being corrupt as shit
i mean it worked for trump right
what if he just got like, eight more no-show board jobs and started doing cocaine at all of them. that would probably work about as well as anything else
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Doubling down from the instant and calling all of Trump's children criminals that should all be put on trial and having their books and bank accounts vivisected is the right approach. Make a show of it and escalate.
At some point you need to start asking yourself what kind of proposals and plans can actually win in swing states but it's important that Sanders shows that many primary voters are on board with some relatively far-left policies. Problem is that I fear he is getting his supporters all hopped-up and then when someone like Warren, who is solidly on Obama's left, takes the nomination she will look worse by comparison. His contingent is never big enough to win elections when they turn out but big enough to make close elections scary if they get demotivated.
Biden is a non-starter now that he and Hunter are validating Trump's attacks and trying to be squeaky-clean, as if they had anything to be apologize for in the first place. Joe and his team have no f-ing clue about how the game will be played.
what if hunter doubled down on being corrupt as shit
i mean it worked for trump right
what if he just got like, eight more no-show board jobs and started doing cocaine at all of them. that would probably work about as well as anything else
"Is not fair that we are judged on standards that Trump and the GOP blow off every day" is not a good argument. Do you want to be Trump and the GOP? Because "Both sides are the same, vote Republican" kinda hasn't worked for the Dems.
Ok, I'm sorry about mentioning the first part of that Bernie quote, when what I was really criticizing in it was the 2nd half. Where he said that he was the only person in the race who would actually stand up to corporations. Which is disingenuous at best
In his defense, there are people who don't regard Warren as "standing up" to corporations. I think it's a pretty silly distinction, but I think he comes by it honestly.
She’s literally feuding with Facebook right now
The idea that she won’t stand up to corporations is ridiculous
In defense, shitting on facebook is like the lowest bar
To be fair, it's more than just shitting on Facebook. She's actively campaigning on breaking Facebook up, along with Amazon and others.
Hopefully incrementalism works this time I guess, but it seems like corporations have become extremely adept fighting against that specific strategy.
Hopefully it doesn't work! I'm not interested in moving incrementally toward socialism and don't support candidates who want us to.
With our current situation, there is literally no difference in moving away from Crony Capitalism and moving toward Socialism, because they're the same direction.
Just getting to Social Democracy (Sweden) would be a lifelong fight (I hope I get to see it). There's little risk of the USA becoming like Venezuela.
Literally none of the candidates are socialist or want socialism. They're not even Democratic Socialists, at least not in practice. Sanders is a Social Democrat and everybody else is a capitalist, to varying degrees of corrupt & crony (Warren being seemingly the least of those of the pack).
And finally, this isn't a slippery slope, because things can and do move back and forth all the time (which incidentally is why I'm not an incrementalist; that's likely an endless and unwinnable battle).
I don't see this primary as an ideological battlefield. As a nation, we're in triage. This is about who can best repair the damage and get things back to some semblance of properly running again.
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I was talking with my friends about Warren and about why the right is so scared of her.
As we see with the facebook ad and with Biden's failure on Trump's bullshit. The right and the wealthy are scared of Warren because is one of the few democrats running, that actually knows how to taking proper swings at these fuckers. They are use to dealing with democrats that primarily fail the way Biden has in response to Trump's recent bullshit. The democrats don't call them out on their bullshit and unilaterally disarm, while the GOP continues their bullshit and hypocrisy. The other one they are use to getting is that the democrat goes on the attack, but in a way where the GOP easily defend and possibly counterattack. They really aren't used to a democrat that knows how to get under their skin and strike them in a way that they can neither defend or counterattack.
This gets into the other area of why they fear her. The rich assholes dominating everything are use to a setup where others believe them to be better solely on the fact that they are wealthy and many have never actually had to apply themselves. They know if Warren gets the nomination and manages to get the right Congress, they'll have to apply themselves rather than letting their wealth make shit happen for them and that they are incapable of getting much done, if they have to actually have to put in effort for a change. It also likely destroys the bullshit myth that lets them get away with so much. That myth being that wealthy people are just better than non-wealthy people at everything. In fact, Warren is likely to make it clear that most of them are fucking idiots, who just used their wealthy to get their way. If the myth gets crushed and more people view them as entitled idiots buy their way through, it makes it much harder for them to keep power. They'd probably lose a ton of clout in the GOP, where the low level base doesn't like them, but tolerates them being in charge because most of that base honestly believes they know what they are doing. Hell, if Manafort is anything to go by, probably a ton of the current corrupt wealthy end up in jail because they are committing a shit ton of financial crimes, they just never had to deal with competent scrutiny or any for that matter.
The market’s expectation does provide shitty incentives that have a huge influence on what the vast majority of companies are willing to do re: China (or human rights generally, labor, the environment, etc etc etc)
I do think capitalism has a fatal exhaust port and we’re all going to get use the force’d sooner rather than later by it, but I’m still fine with Warren calling herself a capitalist (and Bernie stating this fact? Really?)
Capitalism does have some fatal features if it is permitted to go to its maximal end game. The role of a good government should be to set the guard rails such that does not happen and to rein it in when it starts going to far astray. This is basically how the country ran for a long time with good prosperity for most people. Warrens push for the CPB shows that. She pushes for ways to bring accountability back into the system to reign in the excesses and right the ship.
Capitalism does have some fatal features if it is permitted to go to its maximal end game. The role of a good government should be to set the guard rails such that does not happen and to rein it in when it starts going to far astray. This is basically how the country ran for a long time with good prosperity for most people.
let's not go crazy here
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Doubling down from the instant and calling all of Trump's children criminals that should all be put on trial and having their books and bank accounts vivisected is the right approach. Make a show of it and escalate.
The most effective response is "lol whatever, Trump" and then moving on. Biden's polls haven't moved at all in response to this "scandal" because Democratic voters are still motivated principally by health care and other financial issues. They broadly don't want to talk about Trump or impeachment in the context of the primary.
Getting into a slap fight over nepotism isn't going to help Biden. It might not hurt him either, but if it does, it'll probably be more that he legitimized the bullshit by responding.
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Which is why Hunter Biden should have phrased his departure from that board in context of China just doing really shitty things. Bam! No mention of Trump or concerns of both sidesism nonsense, while also not really letting effectively run on "look, look I was right!" at least with people that aren't drinking the GOP's shit flavored kool-aid.
In other Democratic plutocrat news, Bloomberg is talking about running again because Biden and Buttigieg aren't doing a good enough job protecting his wealth.
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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I can't wait for him to embarrass himself and lose a bunch of money to grifting consultants
In other Democratic plutocrat news, Bloomberg is talking about running again because Biden and Buttigieg aren't doing a good enough job protecting his wealth.
Like joining the primaries, or just doing what that ex-Starbucks guy did?
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Not really. It's got nothing to do with "infinite growth". It's a giant market they want in on because they want to make money.
There is no regulatory framework around this imo. You just straight up have to find a way to lean on China and force them to cut this shit out.
I do think capitalism has a fatal exhaust port and we’re all going to get use the force’d sooner rather than later by it, but I’m still fine with Warren calling herself a capitalist (and Bernie stating this fact? Really?)
Biden is a non-starter now that he and Hunter are validating Trump's attacks and trying to be squeaky-clean, as if they had anything to be apologize for in the first place. Joe and his team have no f-ing clue about how the game will be played.
this isn't speculative at all really, you're just describing the situation. i wouldn't use the word "revolution" personally but otherwise i don't think any of this is really debatable
what if hunter doubled down on being corrupt as shit
i mean it worked for trump right
what if he just got like, eight more no-show board jobs and started doing cocaine at all of them. that would probably work about as well as anything else
"Is not fair that we are judged on standards that Trump and the GOP blow off every day" is not a good argument. Do you want to be Trump and the GOP? Because "Both sides are the same, vote Republican" kinda hasn't worked for the Dems.
To be fair, it's more than just shitting on Facebook. She's actively campaigning on breaking Facebook up, along with Amazon and others.
Hopefully it doesn't work! I'm not interested in moving incrementally toward socialism and don't support candidates who want us to.
So we should keep up business as usual? Because that hasn't been working so well. This widening class divide is unsustainable.
Just getting to Social Democracy (Sweden) would be a lifelong fight (I hope I get to see it). There's little risk of the USA becoming like Venezuela.
Literally none of the candidates are socialist or want socialism. They're not even Democratic Socialists, at least not in practice. Sanders is a Social Democrat and everybody else is a capitalist, to varying degrees of corrupt & crony (Warren being seemingly the least of those of the pack).
And finally, this isn't a slippery slope, because things can and do move back and forth all the time (which incidentally is why I'm not an incrementalist; that's likely an endless and unwinnable battle).
I don't see this primary as an ideological battlefield. As a nation, we're in triage. This is about who can best repair the damage and get things back to some semblance of properly running again.
As we see with the facebook ad and with Biden's failure on Trump's bullshit. The right and the wealthy are scared of Warren because is one of the few democrats running, that actually knows how to taking proper swings at these fuckers. They are use to dealing with democrats that primarily fail the way Biden has in response to Trump's recent bullshit. The democrats don't call them out on their bullshit and unilaterally disarm, while the GOP continues their bullshit and hypocrisy. The other one they are use to getting is that the democrat goes on the attack, but in a way where the GOP easily defend and possibly counterattack. They really aren't used to a democrat that knows how to get under their skin and strike them in a way that they can neither defend or counterattack.
This gets into the other area of why they fear her. The rich assholes dominating everything are use to a setup where others believe them to be better solely on the fact that they are wealthy and many have never actually had to apply themselves. They know if Warren gets the nomination and manages to get the right Congress, they'll have to apply themselves rather than letting their wealth make shit happen for them and that they are incapable of getting much done, if they have to actually have to put in effort for a change. It also likely destroys the bullshit myth that lets them get away with so much. That myth being that wealthy people are just better than non-wealthy people at everything. In fact, Warren is likely to make it clear that most of them are fucking idiots, who just used their wealthy to get their way. If the myth gets crushed and more people view them as entitled idiots buy their way through, it makes it much harder for them to keep power. They'd probably lose a ton of clout in the GOP, where the low level base doesn't like them, but tolerates them being in charge because most of that base honestly believes they know what they are doing. Hell, if Manafort is anything to go by, probably a ton of the current corrupt wealthy end up in jail because they are committing a shit ton of financial crimes, they just never had to deal with competent scrutiny or any for that matter.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
Capitalism does have some fatal features if it is permitted to go to its maximal end game. The role of a good government should be to set the guard rails such that does not happen and to rein it in when it starts going to far astray. This is basically how the country ran for a long time with good prosperity for most people. Warrens push for the CPB shows that. She pushes for ways to bring accountability back into the system to reign in the excesses and right the ship.
it didn't go remotely far enough imo
If she took it "far enough" it would give the right ammo that she's a hypocrite. They may even try that now.
The fake ad intentionally gets the letter wrong while nailing the spirit of the truth.
The most effective response is "lol whatever, Trump" and then moving on. Biden's polls haven't moved at all in response to this "scandal" because Democratic voters are still motivated principally by health care and other financial issues. They broadly don't want to talk about Trump or impeachment in the context of the primary.
Getting into a slap fight over nepotism isn't going to help Biden. It might not hurt him either, but if it does, it'll probably be more that he legitimized the bullshit by responding.
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Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
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Betos only thing is being angry about guns.
He's also pretty staunchly pro-union so that's nice.
Fails to differentiate him. At least Pete can appeal to people who want neo liberalism but know Biden's brain is shutting down
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Like joining the primaries, or just doing what that ex-Starbucks guy did?
That chart counts "taxes" in an unusual way.
Like.
that caused quite a visceral reaction from me.
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It's still a progressive rate (ie brackets) so they only pay 98% on the top .001% of their earnings.