It happened guys. I got a formal job offer from that dealership chain for $26/h. I told him I needed a day to think over the offer and give notice before formally accepting. Tomorrow I am going to sit down and talk with my current boss about getting a counter offer and/or giving notice. I would consider staying at my current job if they can meet the new offer but I highly doubt they'd give me a 25% raise like that.
Do you also get a free car?
Sort of? I would designate one of the dealerships as my home base. I would take my car to home base and use a company car from there. They said that eventually I might be able to take a company car home with me.
I hope the dealership network is with a good brand that has cars that are actually worth driving then. :rotate:
2 of the dealerships specialize in luxury cars. The really nice one is the farthest from where I live, though. Honestly, I might take the longer commute if it means I can drive an EV everyday. You guys know how much of an EV slut I am.
It happened guys. I got a formal job offer from that dealership chain for $26/h. I told him I needed a day to think over the offer and give notice before formally accepting. Tomorrow I am going to sit down and talk with my current boss about getting a counter offer and/or giving notice. I would consider staying at my current job if they can meet the new offer but I highly doubt they'd give me a 25% raise like that.
Congrats!
I feel like we say this a lot, but remember when you're considering this that you weren't looking for a new job just for a pay bump. There were other things about your existing gig that you don't like -- what are those worth? Are they worth a 25% bump vs. taking it somewhere else? And what will your employer's reaction be once they know you've been looking? In general, unless you went to get an offer for the sole purpose of getting a raise where you are (which is arguably a bad idea), be careful about staying for just a matched amount.
It happened guys. I got a formal job offer from that dealership chain for $26/h. I told him I needed a day to think over the offer and give notice before formally accepting. Tomorrow I am going to sit down and talk with my current boss about getting a counter offer and/or giving notice. I would consider staying at my current job if they can meet the new offer but I highly doubt they'd give me a 25% raise like that.
Congrats!
I feel like we say this a lot, but remember when you're considering this that you weren't looking for a new job just for a pay bump. There were other things about your existing gig that you don't like -- what are those worth? Are they worth a 25% bump vs. taking it somewhere else? And what will your employer's reaction be once they know you've been looking? In general, unless you went to get an offer for the sole purpose of getting a raise where you are (which is arguably a bad idea), be careful about staying for just a matched amount.
My current employer will be cool if I leave. I'm not looking to burn any bridges so I'm going to give 2 weeks notice. Hardly anyone has ever been fired from my current company so the vast majority of the attrition is on good terms. There are indeed a lot of things I don't like about my current job. Like some of the working conditions and how some of the clients treat us. Honestly, either of those could be up in the air with the new place. I'm trading doctors for car salesmen. I honestly have no idea which one would be more unreasonably demanding. Though, based on my conversations with everyone thus far, my workload will be lighter. All of the dealerships combined are probably around the same size as just 1 (the largest) of my 4 flat-fee clients. I'll technically always be on-call but there will seldom be after hours work to do. Thus far they have gotten by (albeit with some trouble) with no local IT guy. I can't imagine the after hours workload being anywhere near what it is being on-call for an entire MSP for an entire week at a time. I'll probably still have to climb under desks, up ladders and into dirty spaces. I'll still have to run the occasional cat6 drop and terminate ends.
Really, I'm almost definitely going to take the new job, even if I get a competitive counteroffer from my current job. Heck, maybe I'll leave for 18 months, hate it and got back to my current job for even more money. At least, that's what the guy who hooked me up with this new job did a while back.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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I talked to my boss this morning and laid out my new offer for him. I told him I hadn't made any decisions yet. He wanted to talk it over with his business partner (and brother) to come up with a counteroffer. I think I'll have a counter offer on Monday. I'm unsure if I would even take the counteroffer but I have resolved to give myself the weekend to think about it more.
I'm not sure I could go to my boss and even want to have a counter be made to me. I feel like it would F up the working relationship quite a bit were I to accept the counter.
That's just a personal thing though, and I don't subscribe at all to the "it's just business" mantra*. More power to you either way though; whether you like the counter and want to take it, or decide to move on.
* Partially (mostly?) because people who say that suddenly take things very personally when they feel they're being fucked over.
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I'm not sure I could go to my boss and even want to have a counter be made to me. I feel like it would F up the working relationship quite a bit were I to accept the counter.
That's just a personal thing though, and I don't subscribe at all to the "it's just business" mantra*. More power to you either way though; whether you like the counter and want to take it, or decide to move on.
* Partially (mostly?) because people who say that suddenly take things very personally when they feel they're being fucked over.
In all honesty, my boss is way to cool to get all pissey about someone leaving. Like I said before, almost all of the people who have left, have done so on good terms. One was even hired back after 18 months at another job. I have never been anything but up front and honest in our interactions and he has reciprocated. I'm honestly more on the fence today than I was yesterday. I think it's good that I'm taking the weekend to mull it over.
I'm not sure I could go to my boss and even want to have a counter be made to me. I feel like it would F up the working relationship quite a bit were I to accept the counter.
That's just a personal thing though, and I don't subscribe at all to the "it's just business" mantra*. More power to you either way though; whether you like the counter and want to take it, or decide to move on.
* Partially (mostly?) because people who say that suddenly take things very personally when they feel they're being fucked over.
In all honesty, my boss is way to cool to get all pissey about someone leaving. Like I said before, almost all of the people who have left, have done so on good terms. One was even hired back after 18 months at another job. I have never been anything but up front and honest in our interactions and he has reciprocated. I'm honestly more on the fence today than I was yesterday. I think it's good that I'm taking the weekend to mull it over.
I never recommend taking the counter offer. But. If you love your boss that much, you should consider the counter offer. How few of us ever trust and admire our bosses?
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
Damn-it guys. This is a really hard decision. My boss emailed me after our conversation to ask me if leaving was just about money or if was also looking to change my role. It got me thinking and it got me typing. I've spent the last few hours working on a reply. I really do respect him, even if I feel he's a little out of touch with the sentiments of the techs. I'm trying to be as honest and up front about my thoughts and feelings as I can. Honestly it's better that I do this via email since I can edit down my thoughts into something more coherent.
I'm sitting and waiting for Solidworks to finish installing on two systems. They have been going for over a half hour now.
What's your installation method? Solidworks can be a ridiculously long install if done via network source instead of copying the files down. And by ridiculous i mean, if i didn't want to copy the source down to a local drive I'd let these installers run for 2 hours on the regular.
Damn-it guys. This is a really hard decision. My boss emailed me after our conversation to ask me if leaving was just about money or if was also looking to change my role. It got me thinking and it got me typing. I've spent the last few hours working on a reply. I really do respect him, even if I feel he's a little out of touch with the sentiments of the techs. I'm trying to be as honest and up front about my thoughts and feelings as I can. Honestly it's better that I do this via email since I can edit down my thoughts into something more coherent.
What do you want if you stay? Do you want to be in control of business decisions with the techs, basically taking over his role and freeing him up to more business oriented tasks?
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
I'm sitting and waiting for Solidworks to finish installing on two systems. They have been going for over a half hour now.
What's your installation method? Solidworks can be a ridiculously long install if done via network source instead of copying the files down. And by ridiculous i mean, if i didn't want to copy the source down to a local drive I'd let these installers run for 2 hours on the regular.
Was going over the network on spotty wifi to boot. I'm definitely going to copy it next time.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
Damn-it guys. This is a really hard decision. My boss emailed me after our conversation to ask me if leaving was just about money or if was also looking to change my role. It got me thinking and it got me typing. I've spent the last few hours working on a reply. I really do respect him, even if I feel he's a little out of touch with the sentiments of the techs. I'm trying to be as honest and up front about my thoughts and feelings as I can. Honestly it's better that I do this via email since I can edit down my thoughts into something more coherent.
A legitimate apology:
I should have prepared you for this, because it's what happened to me last year about this time when I kinda/sorta negotiated with another job offer. My employer suddenly asked me what I wanted and was willing to move mountains and I didn't know how to answer the most basic of questions:
"What do you want besides more pay?"
Because you don't know the answer off the top of your head, and you feel embarrassed now because you're wondering if you made a mountain out of a mole-hill, and are those problems you complain about real problems, etc etc etc.
It's a good lesson for everyone to learn, I think, is that if you've been somewhere long enough, your employer might surprisingly be willing to bend over backwards to make you happy, and you should know what you want, above and beyond more pay.
A good lesson to not learn the hard way, I'd say! And I should have shared it when you were talking about this last week. But I didn't, because I wasn't paying attention!
Damn-it guys. This is a really hard decision. My boss emailed me after our conversation to ask me if leaving was just about money or if was also looking to change my role. It got me thinking and it got me typing. I've spent the last few hours working on a reply. I really do respect him, even if I feel he's a little out of touch with the sentiments of the techs. I'm trying to be as honest and up front about my thoughts and feelings as I can. Honestly it's better that I do this via email since I can edit down my thoughts into something more coherent.
A legitimate apology:
I should have prepared you for this, because it's what happened to me last year about this time when I kinda/sorta negotiated with another job offer. My employer suddenly asked me what I wanted and was willing to move mountains and I didn't know how to answer the most basic of questions:
"What do you want besides more pay?"
Because you don't know the answer off the top of your head, and you feel embarrassed now because you're wondering if you made a mountain out of a mole-hill, and are those problems you complain about real problems, etc etc etc.
It's a good lesson for everyone to learn, I think, is that if you've been somewhere long enough, your employer might surprisingly be willing to bend over backwards to make you happy, and you should know what you want, above and beyond more pay.
A good lesson to not learn the hard way, I'd say! And I should have shared it when you were talking about this last week. But I didn't, because I wasn't paying attention!
Well, that's exactly what happened. My boss decided he really wanted to keep me. He called me in for a meeting just a little while ago. We don't have a specific opening for me to fill but I had a few ideas. We both agreed that it would be best to think on it and meet again next week when we've come up with some new duties and responsibilities that I could be doing. Basically he offered me a $5.50/h raise in line with what the other company offered me and a promotion of sorts.
So, yeah. I'm staying. I'm going to be making a lot more money and doing more work that I want. Evidently I am rather highly valued around here.
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Does your boss actually have any control over the things he's offering? Or can other powers simply go over his head and ignore any promises beyond pay?
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Does your boss actually have any control over the things he's offering? Or can other powers simply go over his head and ignore any promises beyond pay?
When I say boss, I'm actually talking about the owner (and sometimes his brother) of the company. I've been at the company longer than the person who's technically my direct superior and long ago learned not to go to him for such matters. Whenever I need real bossing I go to the owner.
I'm currently struggling with the feeling of being unproductive in my new role and I'm not sure if it's because I am used to an overbearing workload or if I'm really not being productive.
I have been given vague directions on what to work toward, but all strings I've chased have ended in blockers or with me having questions about procedures.
Currently what they want me to do and how the project is being run are antithetical to eachother and I hate putting redundant processes in place.
Manager is out this week. So I'm just taking what little tickets there are, evaluating the infrastructure I'm working with and writing up documentation for change w/ reasoning and benefits.
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No, random employee, going to my manager after you and I had a conversation with a result you didn't like three different times will not result in you getting an answer you like.
No, random employee, going to my manager after you and I had a conversation with a result you didn't like three different times will not result in you getting an answer you like.
But the schadenfreude is palpable. Mmmm delicious.
No, random employee, going to my manager after you and I had a conversation with a result you didn't like three different times will not result in you getting an answer you like.
But what if it does
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
No, random employee, going to my manager after you and I had a conversation with a result you didn't like three different times will not result in you getting an answer you like.
But what if it does
Where I work it will result in to my manager going to their manager and them getting a result they really don't like.
Accountant software sucks. Moving a client to a new server and their software dating back 10+ years has to be moved as well which results in over 40 new installations and reconfiguring of the each version of the software.
Because if you're going to attempt to squeeze that big black monster into your slot you will need to be able to take at least 12 inches or else you're going to have a bad time...
That_GuyI don't wanna be that guyRegistered Userregular
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One of my clients updated his iPhone to the latest iOS. Afterwards he started having issues with work emails and notifications. Yesterday I deleted and re-added he account on his phone but it was still not working right. I found out today that he didn't make a backup of his phone before upgrading. I gave him a few options today. He could send it off to apple, just buy a new iphone, or I could attempt a firmware downgrade using iOS images from some sketchy looking phone modding website. He didn't like any of those options and just replied to the ticket with "Is the best you can do is to just tell me to buy a new phone?"
I can't even, sometimes. I replied back telling him that we are not an apple authorized service center and are limited in what we can fix. I didn't tell him that their service agreement with us doesn't even cover smartphones and I just help out with them because I'm nice.
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Sort of? I would designate one of the dealerships as my home base. I would take my car to home base and use a company car from there. They said that eventually I might be able to take a company car home with me.
2 of the dealerships specialize in luxury cars. The really nice one is the farthest from where I live, though. Honestly, I might take the longer commute if it means I can drive an EV everyday. You guys know how much of an EV slut I am.
Congrats!
I feel like we say this a lot, but remember when you're considering this that you weren't looking for a new job just for a pay bump. There were other things about your existing gig that you don't like -- what are those worth? Are they worth a 25% bump vs. taking it somewhere else? And what will your employer's reaction be once they know you've been looking? In general, unless you went to get an offer for the sole purpose of getting a raise where you are (which is arguably a bad idea), be careful about staying for just a matched amount.
5 9's in recommending leave your damn job.
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My current employer will be cool if I leave. I'm not looking to burn any bridges so I'm going to give 2 weeks notice. Hardly anyone has ever been fired from my current company so the vast majority of the attrition is on good terms. There are indeed a lot of things I don't like about my current job. Like some of the working conditions and how some of the clients treat us. Honestly, either of those could be up in the air with the new place. I'm trading doctors for car salesmen. I honestly have no idea which one would be more unreasonably demanding. Though, based on my conversations with everyone thus far, my workload will be lighter. All of the dealerships combined are probably around the same size as just 1 (the largest) of my 4 flat-fee clients. I'll technically always be on-call but there will seldom be after hours work to do. Thus far they have gotten by (albeit with some trouble) with no local IT guy. I can't imagine the after hours workload being anywhere near what it is being on-call for an entire MSP for an entire week at a time. I'll probably still have to climb under desks, up ladders and into dirty spaces. I'll still have to run the occasional cat6 drop and terminate ends.
Really, I'm almost definitely going to take the new job, even if I get a competitive counteroffer from my current job. Heck, maybe I'll leave for 18 months, hate it and got back to my current job for even more money. At least, that's what the guy who hooked me up with this new job did a while back.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
That's just a personal thing though, and I don't subscribe at all to the "it's just business" mantra*. More power to you either way though; whether you like the counter and want to take it, or decide to move on.
* Partially (mostly?) because people who say that suddenly take things very personally when they feel they're being fucked over.
In all honesty, my boss is way to cool to get all pissey about someone leaving. Like I said before, almost all of the people who have left, have done so on good terms. One was even hired back after 18 months at another job. I have never been anything but up front and honest in our interactions and he has reciprocated. I'm honestly more on the fence today than I was yesterday. I think it's good that I'm taking the weekend to mull it over.
I never recommend taking the counter offer. But. If you love your boss that much, you should consider the counter offer. How few of us ever trust and admire our bosses?
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What's your installation method? Solidworks can be a ridiculously long install if done via network source instead of copying the files down. And by ridiculous i mean, if i didn't want to copy the source down to a local drive I'd let these installers run for 2 hours on the regular.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I mount 4gb ISOs directly from a UNC network share. Come at me, bro.
What do you want if you stay? Do you want to be in control of business decisions with the techs, basically taking over his role and freeing him up to more business oriented tasks?
Was going over the network on spotty wifi to boot. I'm definitely going to copy it next time.
A legitimate apology:
I should have prepared you for this, because it's what happened to me last year about this time when I kinda/sorta negotiated with another job offer. My employer suddenly asked me what I wanted and was willing to move mountains and I didn't know how to answer the most basic of questions:
"What do you want besides more pay?"
Because you don't know the answer off the top of your head, and you feel embarrassed now because you're wondering if you made a mountain out of a mole-hill, and are those problems you complain about real problems, etc etc etc.
It's a good lesson for everyone to learn, I think, is that if you've been somewhere long enough, your employer might surprisingly be willing to bend over backwards to make you happy, and you should know what you want, above and beyond more pay.
A good lesson to not learn the hard way, I'd say! And I should have shared it when you were talking about this last week. But I didn't, because I wasn't paying attention!
Well, that's exactly what happened. My boss decided he really wanted to keep me. He called me in for a meeting just a little while ago. We don't have a specific opening for me to fill but I had a few ideas. We both agreed that it would be best to think on it and meet again next week when we've come up with some new duties and responsibilities that I could be doing. Basically he offered me a $5.50/h raise in line with what the other company offered me and a promotion of sorts.
So, yeah. I'm staying. I'm going to be making a lot more money and doing more work that I want. Evidently I am rather highly valued around here.
When I say boss, I'm actually talking about the owner (and sometimes his brother) of the company. I've been at the company longer than the person who's technically my direct superior and long ago learned not to go to him for such matters. Whenever I need real bossing I go to the owner.
I have been given vague directions on what to work toward, but all strings I've chased have ended in blockers or with me having questions about procedures.
Currently what they want me to do and how the project is being run are antithetical to eachother and I hate putting redundant processes in place.
Manager is out this week. So I'm just taking what little tickets there are, evaluating the infrastructure I'm working with and writing up documentation for change w/ reasoning and benefits.
This is all broken. . .
*Flips table*
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But the schadenfreude is palpable. Mmmm delicious.
But what if it does
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Where I work it will result in to my manager going to their manager and them getting a result they really don't like.
All tech support is ass unless you are a big client and yell at your vendor.
I can't even, sometimes. I replied back telling him that we are not an apple authorized service center and are limited in what we can fix. I didn't tell him that their service agreement with us doesn't even cover smartphones and I just help out with them because I'm nice.