Early internet discourse (bbs, list serves, etc) were influenced by academia and a reaction to 1980s and 1990s censorship and religious moral panic. The anonymity baked in from the start def comes from a place of wanting to let people be weird without being assured it would follow them back to real life. It came from a naive hope that freedom of expression was a self-policing ultimate good. At the time it was a left wing cornerstone.
Modern internet platforms are pretty much a straight line from there, with little deviation. The evils that have arisen are largely borne of scale and a reality catching up with free speech idealists.
I'd argue the situation we're in now is not "scale" and "reality" but rather "business" and "profit motive" grabbing onto the internet. The problem is not that people have free speech, the problem is that their speech is amplified in proportion to its drama and engagement, that the focuses of our attention are being manipulated by astroturfing and reinforcing feedback loops. We aren't just seeing the naked follies of human psychology, we are seeing them exploited ruthlessly for gain.
Reddit is not making money off it's shitty people. Quite the opposite in fact. It's a cultural phenomenon. A specific belief in certain kinds of free speech and the results of that philosophy being put to the test.
It's not even just the internet honestly. Society as a whole has only been very slowly catching on to the fact that being able to say anything you want in response is not a solution to being able to say anything you want.
Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence. The idea that this situation is a necessary end result of free speech is a smokescreen. The problem is not that the internet has free speech, the problem is that the amplification of that speech is benefiting specific groups and philosophies over others.
I've heard about this shit for years and really, even if it's rare, the whole idea always seemed ridiculous to me. Just get a standard over-the-air model. You don't need to monitor your kids from across the planet and if someone hacks your over-the-air baby monitor, just walk out into your front yard and yell at them.
Would that you could, Pretty much every baby monitor is using wi fi or bluetooth now, and if you want any advanced features (monitoring breathing and the like) you're definitely not on radio.
I had no problem finding one. I mean, there's a lot that aren't but there's also a ton that are. Just hitting up Best Buy Canada right now I found a ton of non-wifi models still.
Man what if tinnitus is just becoming aware of the sound being made by a antimemetic entity (which could be implicitly apocalyptic or just weird and benign)
I do occasionally complain about my lack of a view, because I grew up with an amazing one and I miss it and also complaining a lot about small things is my favourite hobby
but the triangular grass patch out here isn't so bad because for the last fifteen minutes I've been watching two dogs chase each other around and around and around
and in spring and summer girls sunbathe here but I can't sit in my window and stare at that like I can watching these two small doggos
Man what if tinnitus is just becoming aware of the sound being made by a antimemetic entity (which could be implicitly apocalyptic or just weird and benign)
The term is resonance-based interdimensional being
Early internet discourse (bbs, list serves, etc) were influenced by academia and a reaction to 1980s and 1990s censorship and religious moral panic. The anonymity baked in from the start def comes from a place of wanting to let people be weird without being assured it would follow them back to real life. It came from a naive hope that freedom of expression was a self-policing ultimate good. At the time it was a left wing cornerstone.
Modern internet platforms are pretty much a straight line from there, with little deviation. The evils that have arisen are largely borne of scale and a reality catching up with free speech idealists.
I'd argue the situation we're in now is not "scale" and "reality" but rather "business" and "profit motive" grabbing onto the internet. The problem is not that people have free speech, the problem is that their speech is amplified in proportion to its drama and engagement, that the focuses of our attention are being manipulated by astroturfing and reinforcing feedback loops. We aren't just seeing the naked follies of human psychology, we are seeing them exploited ruthlessly for gain.
Reddit is not making money off it's shitty people. Quite the opposite in fact. It's a cultural phenomenon. A specific belief in certain kinds of free speech and the results of that philosophy being put to the test.
It's not even just the internet honestly. Society as a whole has only been very slowly catching on to the fact that being able to say anything you want in response is not a solution to being able to say anything you want.
Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence. The idea that this situation is a necessary end result of free speech is a smokescreen. The problem is not that the internet has free speech, the problem is that the amplification of that speech is benefiting specific groups and philosophies over others.
Reddit is a company that has been trying desperately to not have to jettison it's shittier elements for years and years now (with varying degrees of holding that line) despite those sections of it being a major problem for the company in securing ad revenue. We had a whole thread about this a few years back. Some of the worst parts of Reddit, past or present, are bad for business. But they stick or stuck around anyway, because that's the kind of platform they wanted for ideological reasons. Reddit is a very obvious example of the way that free speech ideology is a large driver of behaviour in this space.
In general the ways in which people/firms/etc do not make profit maximizing decisions but in fact make bad decisions based on specific ideologies or personal beliefs or the like is one of the key critiques of capitalism as a system and why it often fails to function well.
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Early internet discourse (bbs, list serves, etc) were influenced by academia and a reaction to 1980s and 1990s censorship and religious moral panic. The anonymity baked in from the start def comes from a place of wanting to let people be weird without being assured it would follow them back to real life. It came from a naive hope that freedom of expression was a self-policing ultimate good. At the time it was a left wing cornerstone.
Modern internet platforms are pretty much a straight line from there, with little deviation. The evils that have arisen are largely borne of scale and a reality catching up with free speech idealists.
I'd argue the situation we're in now is not "scale" and "reality" but rather "business" and "profit motive" grabbing onto the internet. The problem is not that people have free speech, the problem is that their speech is amplified in proportion to its drama and engagement, that the focuses of our attention are being manipulated by astroturfing and reinforcing feedback loops. We aren't just seeing the naked follies of human psychology, we are seeing them exploited ruthlessly for gain.
Reddit is not making money off it's shitty people. Quite the opposite in fact. It's a cultural phenomenon. A specific belief in certain kinds of free speech and the results of that philosophy being put to the test.
It's not even just the internet honestly. Society as a whole has only been very slowly catching on to the fact that being able to say anything you want in response is not a solution to being able to say anything you want.
Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence. The idea that this situation is a necessary end result of free speech is a smokescreen. The problem is not that the internet has free speech, the problem is that the amplification of that speech is benefiting specific groups and philosophies over others.
Reddit is a company that has been trying desperately to not have to jettison it's shittier elements for years and years now (with varying degrees of holding that line) despite those sections of it being a major problem for the company in securing ad revenue. We had a whole thread about this a few years back. Some of the worst parts of Reddit, past or present, are bad for business. But they stick or stuck around anyway, because that's the kind of platform they wanted for ideological reasons. Reddit is a very obvious example of the way that free speech ideology is a large driver of behaviour in this space.
In general the ways in which people/firms/etc do not make profit maximizing decisions but in fact make bad decisions based on specific ideologies or personal beliefs or the like is one of the key critiques of capitalism as a system and why it often fails to function well.
You realize that the reason this is a problem is because the people in control of reddit are specific types of people and are protecting a specific type of ideology, and that this is because their ownership of the platform empowers them to make decisions that protect these ideas regardless of what the broader will of their users or the people in general would be? It is the centralized control over what is and isn't allowed on reddit that biases the entire culture of the platform. Also, I think you would be naive to think that these less savory elements are somehow hurting them financially. Hatred drives engagement, advertisers leaving is not enough to dent that.
this Wolcen game looks like a rad ARPG but man it seems like its quite unpolished
....you son of a bitch, I'm in.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
I feel like if you’re a millennial and also a bigot or got into hard drugs then you obviously didn’t pay attention to those very special episodes of Saved By the Bell
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lol
WaPo had a front paged article with the in-article headline "Too small to hire guards, too worried to go gun-free, community churches are now arming themselves"
This was rendered on the front page as "WILL YOU DIE FOR YOUR CHURCH? WILL YOU KILL FOR IT"
I.could have sworn they had it up there with something less inflammatory when I first read it 30min ago, since I didn't make this post 30min ago
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Some days Blue wonders why anyone ever bothered making numbers so small; other days she supposes even infinity needs to start somewhere.
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I also kind of always think of South Park as being initially targeted at malignantly-disillusioned GenXers, considering it was an R-rated cartoon that premiered in 1995, when most millennials still hadn’t learned basic literacy.
Depends if you consider someone like me to be a GenXer or a Millenial. SP started when I was in High School. It was a huge cultural influence on my generation
You’re on the cusp, so you have to fill out the questionnaire:
- Depeche Mode or Vampire Weekend?
- He-Man or Darkwing Duck?
- Cheers or Frasier?
- Surge or Mountain Dew Code Red?
- Ewoks or Ninja Turtles?
Choose carefully
I'm early 80s
Vampire Weekend
Darkwing Duck
Cheers
Code Red
TMNT
WaPo had a front paged article with the in-article headline "Too small to hire guards, too worried to go gun-free, community churches are now arming themselves"
This was rendered on the front page as "WILL YOU DIE FOR YOUR CHURCH? WILL YOU KILL FOR IT"
I.could have sworn they had it up there with something less inflammatory when I first read it 30min ago, since I didn't make this post 30min ago
Because I have a subscription to WaPo, I have it plugged into my Feedly app to give me the RSS Feeds of the headlines.
Which I've complained about before because there's no way to see which articles are opinions or not without opening up the website.
Another annoying thing about it, though, is that it treats every new edit or republish of an article as a new article. So I may see the same story 4-5 times as the headlines change.
reddit's underlying ideology is one I'd wager is shared by a lot of reddit's users - or, at least, shared enough that posts about a perceived injustice would rile them up'
my thought here being that tightening control of it brings a chance that the narrative that reddit's purpose is being undermined would blow up
they could be afraid of fucking with the core concept of reddit by tightening too much control. So that banning that few couple of subreddits doesn't just lose them the users of those subreddits. Somewhat like tumblr banning porn and shooting themselves in both feet.
(not saying that I think that fear is reasonable or not, just suggesting it could be what they're thinking)
I feel like if you’re a millennial and also a bigot or got into hard drugs then you obviously didn’t pay attention to those very special episodes of Saved By the Bell
Why would I watch a series about being at school when I got home?
...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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AtomikaLive fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered Userregular
ARPG?
Argentinian RPG?
Annual Rate of Penguin Growth?
Axplosive Rdinance disPosalG?
Am R PerGnanté?
I feel like if you’re a millennial and also a bigot or got into hard drugs then you obviously didn’t pay attention to those very special episodes of Saved By the Bell
showgirls and saved by the bell are the same universe and jesse started her descent into degradation by getting hooked on the caffeine pills
Early internet discourse (bbs, list serves, etc) were influenced by academia and a reaction to 1980s and 1990s censorship and religious moral panic. The anonymity baked in from the start def comes from a place of wanting to let people be weird without being assured it would follow them back to real life. It came from a naive hope that freedom of expression was a self-policing ultimate good. At the time it was a left wing cornerstone.
Modern internet platforms are pretty much a straight line from there, with little deviation. The evils that have arisen are largely borne of scale and a reality catching up with free speech idealists.
I'd argue the situation we're in now is not "scale" and "reality" but rather "business" and "profit motive" grabbing onto the internet. The problem is not that people have free speech, the problem is that their speech is amplified in proportion to its drama and engagement, that the focuses of our attention are being manipulated by astroturfing and reinforcing feedback loops. We aren't just seeing the naked follies of human psychology, we are seeing them exploited ruthlessly for gain.
Reddit is not making money off it's shitty people. Quite the opposite in fact. It's a cultural phenomenon. A specific belief in certain kinds of free speech and the results of that philosophy being put to the test.
It's not even just the internet honestly. Society as a whole has only been very slowly catching on to the fact that being able to say anything you want in response is not a solution to being able to say anything you want.
Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence. The idea that this situation is a necessary end result of free speech is a smokescreen. The problem is not that the internet has free speech, the problem is that the amplification of that speech is benefiting specific groups and philosophies over others.
Reddit is a company that has been trying desperately to not have to jettison it's shittier elements for years and years now (with varying degrees of holding that line) despite those sections of it being a major problem for the company in securing ad revenue. We had a whole thread about this a few years back. Some of the worst parts of Reddit, past or present, are bad for business. But they stick or stuck around anyway, because that's the kind of platform they wanted for ideological reasons. Reddit is a very obvious example of the way that free speech ideology is a large driver of behaviour in this space.
In general the ways in which people/firms/etc do not make profit maximizing decisions but in fact make bad decisions based on specific ideologies or personal beliefs or the like is one of the key critiques of capitalism as a system and why it often fails to function well.
You realize that the reason this is a problem is because the people in control of reddit are specific types of people and are protecting a specific type of ideology, and that this is because their ownership of the platform empowers them to make decisions that protect these ideas regardless of what the broader will of their users or the people in general would be? It is the centralized control over what is and isn't allowed on reddit that biases the entire culture of the platform. Also, I think you would be naive to think that these less savory elements are somehow hurting them financially. Hatred drives engagement, advertisers leaving is not enough to dent that.
This is a massive moving of goalposts. You said:
I'd argue the situation we're in now is not "scale" and "reality" but rather "business" and "profit motive" grabbing onto the internet.
Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence.
You've been arguing the problem is that this kind of shit is profitable. But it's not. It is, in fact, in many ways unprofitable. But it continues. Because it's not about profit, it's about ideology.
There are definitely companies (coughFacebookcough) driving negative ... just everything for everyone in search of profit. But that is far from the sole source of the kind of behaviour being talked about and platforms not driven by engagement metrics predate those kind of platforms and have problems within that same area. Because a lot of what they reflecting is a culture on the internet built on specific ideologies and the expression of them in how communication platforms are designed and self-policed. Even fucking twitter is driven by these ideas if you pay attention to what it's leadership is up to.
I feel like if you’re a millennial and also a bigot or got into hard drugs then you obviously didn’t pay attention to those very special episodes of Saved By the Bell
Why would I watch a series about being at school when I got home?
As a primary schooler shows about secondary/high school were kinda interesting
I also kind of always think of South Park as being initially targeted at malignantly-disillusioned GenXers, considering it was an R-rated cartoon that premiered in 1995, when most millennials still hadn’t learned basic literacy.
Depends if you consider someone like me to be a GenXer or a Millenial. SP started when I was in High School. It was a huge cultural influence on my generation
You’re on the cusp, so you have to fill out the questionnaire:
- Depeche Mode or Vampire Weekend?
- He-Man or Darkwing Duck?
- Cheers or Frasier?
- Surge or Mountain Dew Code Red?
- Ewoks or Ninja Turtles?
Choose carefully
Depeche Mode (what's a Vampire Weekend? Is that a couple days with no sun?)
Darkwing Duck, but He-Man when I was little
Cheers
Surge!!!!!!!!!!! (I still buy a can whenever I see it, I am the problem)
Ninja Turtles
"The only way to get rid of a temptation is to give into it." - Oscar Wilde
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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Reddit is a for-profit company that has been extremely aggressively attempting to hit growth goals for most of its existence. The idea that this situation is a necessary end result of free speech is a smokescreen. The problem is not that the internet has free speech, the problem is that the amplification of that speech is benefiting specific groups and philosophies over others.
I had no problem finding one. I mean, there's a lot that aren't but there's also a ton that are. Just hitting up Best Buy Canada right now I found a ton of non-wifi models still.
Man what if tinnitus is just becoming aware of the sound being made by a antimemetic entity (which could be implicitly apocalyptic or just weird and benign)
but the triangular grass patch out here isn't so bad because for the last fifteen minutes I've been watching two dogs chase each other around and around and around
and in spring and summer girls sunbathe here but I can't sit in my window and stare at that like I can watching these two small doggos
The term is resonance-based interdimensional being
Reddit is a company that has been trying desperately to not have to jettison it's shittier elements for years and years now (with varying degrees of holding that line) despite those sections of it being a major problem for the company in securing ad revenue. We had a whole thread about this a few years back. Some of the worst parts of Reddit, past or present, are bad for business. But they stick or stuck around anyway, because that's the kind of platform they wanted for ideological reasons. Reddit is a very obvious example of the way that free speech ideology is a large driver of behaviour in this space.
In general the ways in which people/firms/etc do not make profit maximizing decisions but in fact make bad decisions based on specific ideologies or personal beliefs or the like is one of the key critiques of capitalism as a system and why it often fails to function well.
Gimme dem ninja turtles
If you're not Gen X, that means you're not allowed to drink Pepsi.
i still have my ninja turtles trashcan it's great
i'm sad i got rid of this though
they're selling for a lot on ebay and amazon lol
Noooooo I’m too old for the Morphin Rangers
You realize that the reason this is a problem is because the people in control of reddit are specific types of people and are protecting a specific type of ideology, and that this is because their ownership of the platform empowers them to make decisions that protect these ideas regardless of what the broader will of their users or the people in general would be? It is the centralized control over what is and isn't allowed on reddit that biases the entire culture of the platform. Also, I think you would be naive to think that these less savory elements are somehow hurting them financially. Hatred drives engagement, advertisers leaving is not enough to dent that.
I’m very okay with that
Get it in writing so I can take it to KFC
@Hahnsoo1
....you son of a bitch, I'm in.
WaPo had a front paged article with the in-article headline "Too small to hire guards, too worried to go gun-free, community churches are now arming themselves"
This was rendered on the front page as "WILL YOU DIE FOR YOUR CHURCH? WILL YOU KILL FOR IT"
I.could have sworn they had it up there with something less inflammatory when I first read it 30min ago, since I didn't make this post 30min ago
I'm in the depressing void between millennial and gen x
In a mere 30 years, I predict drug commercials for heart disease and erectile dysfunction will be playing covers of Steal My Sunshine.
I'm early 80s
Vampire Weekend
Darkwing Duck
Cheers
Code Red
TMNT
Hmmmm
Because I have a subscription to WaPo, I have it plugged into my Feedly app to give me the RSS Feeds of the headlines.
Which I've complained about before because there's no way to see which articles are opinions or not without opening up the website.
Another annoying thing about it, though, is that it treats every new edit or republish of an article as a new article. So I may see the same story 4-5 times as the headlines change.
I wonder if I can grab the cached images
my thought here being that tightening control of it brings a chance that the narrative that reddit's purpose is being undermined would blow up
they could be afraid of fucking with the core concept of reddit by tightening too much control. So that banning that few couple of subreddits doesn't just lose them the users of those subreddits. Somewhat like tumblr banning porn and shooting themselves in both feet.
(not saying that I think that fear is reasonable or not, just suggesting it could be what they're thinking)
I'm just pulling titles from wikipedia so I hope there aren't less than 100 pages!
Duckula
Three's Company
Ecto Cooler
Gummi Bears
Argentinian RPG?
Annual Rate of Penguin Growth?
Axplosive Rdinance disPosalG?
Am R PerGnanté?
Ass-Ripping Pegging Giant.
You get the updoot for Count Duckula
This is a massive moving of goalposts. You said: You've been arguing the problem is that this kind of shit is profitable. But it's not. It is, in fact, in many ways unprofitable. But it continues. Because it's not about profit, it's about ideology.
There are definitely companies (coughFacebookcough) driving negative ... just everything for everyone in search of profit. But that is far from the sole source of the kind of behaviour being talked about and platforms not driven by engagement metrics predate those kind of platforms and have problems within that same area. Because a lot of what they reflecting is a culture on the internet built on specific ideologies and the expression of them in how communication platforms are designed and self-policed. Even fucking twitter is driven by these ideas if you pay attention to what it's leadership is up to.
As a primary schooler shows about secondary/high school were kinda interesting
Mighty Max
Wings
Kool-Aid Burst
Turtles on Ice
Depeche Mode (what's a Vampire Weekend? Is that a couple days with no sun?)
Darkwing Duck, but He-Man when I was little
Cheers
Surge!!!!!!!!!!! (I still buy a can whenever I see it, I am the problem)
Ninja Turtles
"We believe in the people and their 'wisdom' as if there was some special secret entrance to knowledge that barred to anyone who had ever learned anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche