The President almost tweeted out condolences for the death of Tom Hanks from the coronavirus because neither he nor his top advisors knew what being "discharged" from a hospital meant according to a business insider story.
The president also reached out to the WWE to check on Vince McMahon after they ran an angle where he was blown up in a limo on live TV.
One of the glaring truths to come out of this so far is that very, very few governments have the capacity to test even a fraction of their population, and almost all of them will lie about the extent to which the disease has spread.
I just had a moment of thought learning that Boris Johneson tested positive...
What if a particular politician does contact COVID-19, and only has mild symptoms. After coming out from the other side saying, "Well, that wasn't that bad!", will not make for good policy decisions after the fact.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
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One of the glaring truths to come out of this so far is that very, very few governments have the will to test even a fraction of their population, and almost all of them will lie about the extent to which the disease has spread.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
Because there's hardly any testing, nobody will be able to accurately track or demonstrate the impact it has, either.
Edit: There's literally no way NOLA-adjacent small and mid-sized communities on the gulf coast aren't experiencing cases. We're just not going to hear about it.
It just baffles me that his rating of how he has handled this is favorable
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the obliviousness and willful denial of reality of people in this country at this point but Jesus christo
People really want the president, and others in seats of power, to be right about stuff in these types of times. It isn't even that people are looking at what's being done, or not done, or at what the potential failures are. They just want hope. They want it to be over soon. They want to think things will get better. They don't want have to do hard work, or make sacrifices, to make it better. They wanna ride out a short token effort, and then be done caring about it. Trump is getting new support currently because people want it to be short and easy like Trump keeps saying it will be. Cause if he is wrong, it means people like me might be right, and that we're gonna need to do a lot of heavy lifting to restructure society to keep surviving under these new conditions.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
Because there's hardly any testing, nobody will be able to accurately track or demonstrate the impact it has, either.
The mass graves will probably show the impact at some point
The impact will be tracked by the hospital ICUs filling up and people dying.
This is basically the only real gauge we're gonna have, and unfortunately all the hospitals are being silent on if their facilities are totally clogged and contaminated.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
Because there's hardly any testing, nobody will be able to accurately track or demonstrate the impact it has, either.
The mass graves will probably show the impact at some point
In the gulf coast bayou, I'm honestly not sure that's the case. Regional hospitals will see a spike in death but nobody's going to report that 40 people in Soggy Foot, MI, pop 1100, all died in the same week. Nobody in the national media knows that Soggy Foot exists, and nobody has ever given much of a shit about the Gulf Coast area of the country. It's going to be mostly unreported tragedy that will scar local communities but seriously... you will probably never know what happened with COVID in Mississippi between today and June 1. Nobody will.
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The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
I had great aunts and uncles in the US two weeks ago, in Florida, but they’re all home now. They’re supposedly all quarantining themselves; they’re all from a rural community, and I understand that their neighbours have said that if they’re seen out and about the police will be called.
The thing that got them to return home to Canada? Their insurance company said that they would drop their coverage if they stayed in the US. My extended family were unhappy about that, they seem to have bought into the “it’s just a flu” propaganda while in Florida, but being stuck in America without good health insurance? That was clearly not a smart idea. So they all drove back from Florida, stopping in New York along the way.
God, I hope they stay in quarantine.
Civics is not a consumer product that you can ignore because you don’t like the options presented.
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I doubt Johnson dying would improve the situation in the UK one iota. His replacement is arguably worse.
Fuckin' oof.
Here at least the hope would be Trump and Pence down, maybe Pelosi could muster a response in which only a couple million die. Put the brakes on the concurrent genocides Trump is engaging in, on the Border, and now using this pandemic to cull undesirables that they see as a drain on the economy.
In lighter news: Mystery man buys entire village fish and chips
He wanted to do something to bring the village together and highlight the importance of local pubs. The whole village is getting one take away a week for the next 12 weeks - might end up being a roast or a curry some days.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
This should be a lesson to every corporate, university, and other professional employee who relocates to a low-tax Red State for the money and low cost of living. It doesn't matter in a crisis whether or not a city or college town in a Red state "is actually pretty cool", what matters is the competence of the local, county, and state governments.
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It is interesting to note the presence of viral RNA on the floor under the bed of the patients and on the window ledges (which were not obviously used by the patient) in the hospital NBU. Airflow in NBU suites enters from the top center of the room and exits at grates near the head of the patient’s bed on either side of the room. Airflow modelling (15) has suggested that turbulent eddies may form under the patient’s bed, which may cause the observed contamination under the bed, while the dominant airflow likely carries particles away from the patient’s bed towards the edges of the room, likely passing by the windows resulting in some deposition there.
Although this study did not employ any size-fractionation techniques in order to determine the size range of SARS-CoV-2 droplets and particles, the data is suggestive that viral aerosol particles are produced by individuals that have the COVID-19 disease, even in the absence of cough. First, in the few instances where the distance between individuals in isolation and air sampling could be confidently maintained at greater than 6 ft, 2 of the 3 air samples were positive for viral RNA. Second, 66.7% of hallway air samples indicate that virus-containing particles were being transported from the rooms to the hallway during sampling activities. It is likely that the positive air samples in the hallway were cause by viral aerosol particles transported by personnel exiting the room (16,17). Finally, personal air samplers worn by sampling personnel were all positive for SARS-CoV-2, despite the absence of cough by most patients while sampling personnel were 35 present.
In this study the virus was found on the windowsill, under the bed, and the hallway air sampliers found that the virus followed the workers out into the hallway via a viral aersol cloud.
There's been more and more evidence emerging that this thing spreads via airborne aerosol, even in the absence of symptoms. As such, this would suggest that masks are indeed an effective preventative measure. Of course, the current shortage being what it is, that makes things very difficult.
Of course, it means that, even if you're maintaining a six foot distance away from other people, and even if you're rigorously washing your hands, you can still get infected just by walking through the grocery aisle after someone with the virus does.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
This should be a lesson to every corporate, university, and other professional employee who relocates to a low-tax Red State for the money and low cost of living. It doesn't matter in a crisis whether or not a city city or college town in a Red state "is actually pretty cool", what matters is the competence of the local, county, and state governments.
Turns out taxes are good and pay for good things, and that there’s a reason for the low cost of living: it’s because people don’t want to live there long, in general.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
What I have to ask is, Hawaii already put inter-state travel restrictions, what happens if more Blue states (except NY because lol) follow suit?
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
What I have to ask is, Hawaii already put inter-state travel restrictions, what happens if more Blue states (except NY because lol) follow suit?
The lower 48 don't have controlled (or controllable) borders. They can say whatever they want, but it isn't logistically possible.
The governor of Mississippi is insane. It's one thing to just sit on your dumb ass and do nothing state-wide while leaving everything to your city and county mayors but it is an entire new level of stupid to actually go out of your way to make it *illegal* for any city or county mayor to enact any coronavirus protection measures through executive order.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
This should be a lesson to every corporate, university, and other professional employee who relocates to a low-tax Red State for the money and low cost of living. It doesn't matter in a crisis whether or not a city city or college town in a Red state "is actually pretty cool", what matters is the competence of the local, county, and state governments.
Turns out taxes are good and pay for good things, and that there’s a reason for the low cost of living: it’s because people don’t want to live there long, in general.
Living in a *high tax area in a low tax state I can say this social issue is a lot more intricate than "middle states r shit lol."
They did send the cruise ship patients to the hospitals we have here, because we have very good medical facilities.
It is interesting to note the presence of viral RNA on the floor under the bed of the patients and on the window ledges (which were not obviously used by the patient) in the hospital NBU. Airflow in NBU suites enters from the top center of the room and exits at grates near the head of the patient’s bed on either side of the room. Airflow modelling (15) has suggested that turbulent eddies may form under the patient’s bed, which may cause the observed contamination under the bed, while the dominant airflow likely carries particles away from the patient’s bed towards the edges of the room, likely passing by the windows resulting in some deposition there.
Although this study did not employ any size-fractionation techniques in order to determine the size range of SARS-CoV-2 droplets and particles, the data is suggestive that viral aerosol particles are produced by individuals that have the COVID-19 disease, even in the absence of cough. First, in the few instances where the distance between individuals in isolation and air sampling could be confidently maintained at greater than 6 ft, 2 of the 3 air samples were positive for viral RNA. Second, 66.7% of hallway air samples indicate that virus-containing particles were being transported from the rooms to the hallway during sampling activities. It is likely that the positive air samples in the hallway were cause by viral aerosol particles transported by personnel exiting the room (16,17). Finally, personal air samplers worn by sampling personnel were all positive for SARS-CoV-2, despite the absence of cough by most patients while sampling personnel were 35 present.
In this study the virus was found on the windowsill, under the bed, and the hallway air sampliers found that the virus followed the workers out into the hallway via a viral aersol cloud.
There's been more and more evidence emerging that this thing spreads via airborne aerosol, even in the absence of symptoms. As such, this would suggest that masks are indeed an effective preventative measure. Of course, the current shortage being what it is, that makes things very difficult.
Of course, it means that, even if you're maintaining a six foot distance away from other people, and even if you're rigorously washing your hands, you can still get infected just by walking through the grocery aisle after someone with the virus does.
Terrifying.
The paper has realllllly bad error bars and they cut off the error bars. Note that many of those error bars extend far into the negative territory.
There is also no negative controls i.e. how much is a false positive on any surface from other nucleic acids that their assay might pick up.
Most egregiously, they give no evidence for what the minimum copy/uL is necessary to infect someone so the whole thing is meaningless except that conclusion that covid is on surfaces in hospitals in rooms with sick patients who are covid positive. Which is to say: no fucking shit.
The impact will be tracked by the hospital ICUs filling up and people dying.
It'll still be denied by a sizeable portion of the population.
This country has a lot of shitty people in it.
My understanding is that not all the deaths are getting reported as covid19 deaths, and if someone perishes at home, I dont know if theres any SoP to bother to test post mortem for it.(there is in a hospital setting and they should be, but I think this falls by the wayside) From other inquiries to how coroners work, they seem to pretty much be able to write whatever they want in for cause of death, and that stuff can get weird biases.
My wife was supposed to return to work on March 31st. At 10am EST, Indiana released the numbers for yesterday, where they registered 336 new cases. Almost immediately afterwards she gets a message from her boss, pushing the return date to April 7.
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Surely if sars-cov-2 was properly airborne we would have evidence for a far higher r0 than 2.5?
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TetraNitroCubaneThe DjinneratorAt the bottom of a bottleRegistered Userregular
I don't deny flaws in the study, but I also don't think we have anything even remotely approaching a realistic or accurate r0 for this thing. That would require us to know far more about who is actually infected, which persists in being a tremendous blind spot the world over.
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I don't deny flaws in the study, but I also don't think we have anything even remotely approaching a realistic or accurate r0 for this thing. That would require us to know far more about who is actually infected, which persists in being a tremendous blind spot the world over.
If the R0 was airborne levels of high we would already be completely overwhelmed. It is not that high. You have a duty to think critically and decrease the level of posts that contribute to general anxiety regarding the pandemic. We all have the duty in these times. It doesn't mean we can't be anxious but we shouldn't be grabbing at straws.
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I just have seen you post a lot of panicked posts regarding what might happen and I hope that you get some help with your anxiety right now.
"Air samples that were positive for viral RNA by RT-PCR were examined for viral propagation in
Vero E6 cells. Cytopathic effect was not observed in any sample, to date, and immunofluorescence
and western blot analysis have not, so far, indicated the presence of viral antigens suggesting viral
replication."
Basically, despite there being 2 copies per LITER of air, it was unable to replicate in cells.
It appears they've moved to actually using one ventilator for two patients.
[NEW YORK (Reuters) - At least one New York hospital has begun putting two patients on a single ventilator machine, an experimental crisis-mode protocol some doctors worry is too risky but others deemed necessary as the coronavirus outbreak strains medical resources.
The coronavirus causes a respiratory illness called COVID-19 that in severe cases can ravage the lungs. It has killed at least 281 people over a few weeks in New York City, which is struggling with one of the largest caseloads in the world at nearly 22,000 confirmed cases.
A tool of last resort that involves threading a tube down a patient’s windpipe, a mechanical ventilator can sustain a person who can no longer breathe unaided. The city only has a few thousand and is trying to find tens of thousands more.
Dr. Craig Smith, surgeon-in-chief at New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center in Manhattan, wrote in a newsletter to staff that anesthesiology and intensive care teams had worked “day and night” to get the split-ventilation experiment going.
By Wednesday, he wrote, there were “two patients being carefully managed on one ventilator.”
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who says his staff is struggling to find enough machines on the market, has touted the adaptation as a potential life-saver. “It’s not ideal,” he told reporters, “but we believe it’s workable.”
The U.S. Food & Drug Administration, which regulates medical device manufacturers, gave emergency authorization on Tuesday allowing ventilators to be modified using a splitter tube to serve multiple COVID-19 patients, though manufacturers still must share safety information with regulators.
Some medical associations oppose the unproven method.
On Thursday, the Society of Critical Care Medicine, the American Association for Respiratory Care and four other practitioner groups issued a joint statement saying the practice “should not be attempted because it cannot be done safely with current equipment.”
It is difficult enough to fine-tune a ventilator to keep alive even one patient with acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), the statement said; sharing it across multiple patients would worsen outcomes for all. They proposed doctors instead choose the one patient per ventilator deemed most likely to survive.
At Columbia, Smith noted that they could not split a ventilator across just any two COVID-19 patients, but were only pairing patients with sufficiently similar respiratory needs.
Across Manhattan, Mount Sinai Hospital told staff in an email that officials were “working to figure out” whether they could split ventilators. The hospital has ordered the necessary adapters, a nurse there said in an interview on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to reporters.
Experts at Columbia pointed to a 2006 study where researchers, using lung simulators, concluded that a single ventilator could sustain four adults in an emergency scenario.
One author of that study, Dr. Greg Neyman, cautioned against the application in COVID-19 cases in part because the lungs themselves are infected. If one patient’s lungs were deteriorating faster, he said, it could cause imbalances in the closed system. One patient could starve for oxygen while the other patient’s lungs would get increased pressure.
“Unless they were very very closely monitored, such a set up may end up doing more harm than good,” Neyman wrote in an email to Reuters.
Seems pretty unethical to me as stated before - it also seems like the medical groups that make recommendations about doing this are all against it for pretty good reasons.
I am sorry that healthcare wasn't prepared but this isn't the way. ARDS is complicated to deal with for a single person and because needs change hourly leaving someone on lowest common denominator settings is going to kill people who could have recovered.
Sometimes there is no good option and the right choice isn't the heroic choice. Captain Kirk wasn't a real captain.
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Surely if sars-cov-2 was properly airborne we would have evidence for a far higher r0 than 2.5?
The issue I perceive that there's a fuzzy spectrum between "aerosolized & airborne" (or "properly airborne") and "droplet-based only." COVID seems to transmit somewhere in between those poles, but we don't know exactly where.
Surely if sars-cov-2 was properly airborne we would have evidence for a far higher r0 than 2.5?
The issue I perceive that there's a fuzzy spectrum between "aerosolized & airborne" (or "properly airborne") and "droplet-based only." COVID seems to transmit somewhere in between those poles, but we don't know exactly where.
Also even the best hospital is an ever circulating petri dish. No idea if it applies to real world scenarios (outside of hospitals which are also real).
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The president also reached out to the WWE to check on Vince McMahon after they ran an angle where he was blown up in a limo on live TV.
Why isn’t this the only thing people are talking about now. Like what the hell man, these are absolutely insane statements from a leader of a country.
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Imagine literally anyone else right now pls
Criticism against Trump is “evidence of a conspiracy against him” for his supporters, even unenthusiastic ones, and conspiracies rile people up.
And there’s a lot of criticism right now.
What if a particular politician does contact COVID-19, and only has mild symptoms. After coming out from the other side saying, "Well, that wasn't that bad!", will not make for good policy decisions after the fact.
Tupelo had ordered non-essential businesses to close, for people to work at home if possible, and to limit gatherings but because of this idiot governors executive order that's been undone and now all the businesses are open again and everyone can go back to pretending the virus doesn't exist.
And there's nothing the mayor of Tupelo can do about it. He just has to sit back and wait for his city to crumble.
Because there's hardly any testing, nobody will be able to accurately track or demonstrate the impact it has, either.
Edit: There's literally no way NOLA-adjacent small and mid-sized communities on the gulf coast aren't experiencing cases. We're just not going to hear about it.
People really want the president, and others in seats of power, to be right about stuff in these types of times. It isn't even that people are looking at what's being done, or not done, or at what the potential failures are. They just want hope. They want it to be over soon. They want to think things will get better. They don't want have to do hard work, or make sacrifices, to make it better. They wanna ride out a short token effort, and then be done caring about it. Trump is getting new support currently because people want it to be short and easy like Trump keeps saying it will be. Cause if he is wrong, it means people like me might be right, and that we're gonna need to do a lot of heavy lifting to restructure society to keep surviving under these new conditions.
The mass graves will probably show the impact at some point
This is basically the only real gauge we're gonna have, and unfortunately all the hospitals are being silent on if their facilities are totally clogged and contaminated.
In the gulf coast bayou, I'm honestly not sure that's the case. Regional hospitals will see a spike in death but nobody's going to report that 40 people in Soggy Foot, MI, pop 1100, all died in the same week. Nobody in the national media knows that Soggy Foot exists, and nobody has ever given much of a shit about the Gulf Coast area of the country. It's going to be mostly unreported tragedy that will scar local communities but seriously... you will probably never know what happened with COVID in Mississippi between today and June 1. Nobody will.
It's yet another standard operating practice out of the GOP playbook: when more local power tries to protect itself and/or its citizens, take away their power. Just as "state's rights" are only the rights to be more oppressive than the federal government, local government's rights are only to be more oppressive than the state. Cities try to remove Confederate statues, so the state takes away their power to remove statues. Cities try to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic, so the state takes away their power to protect themselves against the global goddamn pandemic.
It does not matter that the things they did to hold onto short-term power now do not translate to the global goddamn pandemic. They do not adapt. They will not change. And in fact, these small measures at state level are used as practice for doing it elsewhere, because that is what they always do. There will be more Republican-led states after this that will countermand city lockdowns, and Trump will try to do it to the states if he has enough energy and attention span when the time comes.
I had great aunts and uncles in the US two weeks ago, in Florida, but they’re all home now. They’re supposedly all quarantining themselves; they’re all from a rural community, and I understand that their neighbours have said that if they’re seen out and about the police will be called.
The thing that got them to return home to Canada? Their insurance company said that they would drop their coverage if they stayed in the US. My extended family were unhappy about that, they seem to have bought into the “it’s just a flu” propaganda while in Florida, but being stuck in America without good health insurance? That was clearly not a smart idea. So they all drove back from Florida, stopping in New York along the way.
God, I hope they stay in quarantine.
We have tickets to see them in June. Was already thinking it might not happen, now I guess it's even less likely.
Really hope he pulls through okay.
Fuckin' oof.
Here at least the hope would be Trump and Pence down, maybe Pelosi could muster a response in which only a couple million die. Put the brakes on the concurrent genocides Trump is engaging in, on the Border, and now using this pandemic to cull undesirables that they see as a drain on the economy.
In lighter news: Mystery man buys entire village fish and chips
He wanted to do something to bring the village together and highlight the importance of local pubs. The whole village is getting one take away a week for the next 12 weeks - might end up being a roast or a curry some days.
This should be a lesson to every corporate, university, and other professional employee who relocates to a low-tax Red State for the money and low cost of living. It doesn't matter in a crisis whether or not a city or college town in a Red state "is actually pretty cool", what matters is the competence of the local, county, and state governments.
There's been more and more evidence emerging that this thing spreads via airborne aerosol, even in the absence of symptoms. As such, this would suggest that masks are indeed an effective preventative measure. Of course, the current shortage being what it is, that makes things very difficult.
Of course, it means that, even if you're maintaining a six foot distance away from other people, and even if you're rigorously washing your hands, you can still get infected just by walking through the grocery aisle after someone with the virus does.
Terrifying.
Turns out taxes are good and pay for good things, and that there’s a reason for the low cost of living: it’s because people don’t want to live there long, in general.
Pretty much. It would require aggressive testing and case tracking, which aren't going to happen. Even then it would be a challenge.
What I have to ask is, Hawaii already put inter-state travel restrictions, what happens if more Blue states (except NY because lol) follow suit?
The lower 48 don't have controlled (or controllable) borders. They can say whatever they want, but it isn't logistically possible.
The Chinese didn’t spray down entire cities just for fun.
It'll still be denied by a sizeable portion of the population.
This country has a lot of shitty people in it.
Living in a *high tax area in a low tax state I can say this social issue is a lot more intricate than "middle states r shit lol."
They did send the cruise ship patients to the hospitals we have here, because we have very good medical facilities.
There is also no negative controls i.e. how much is a false positive on any surface from other nucleic acids that their assay might pick up.
Most egregiously, they give no evidence for what the minimum copy/uL is necessary to infect someone so the whole thing is meaningless except that conclusion that covid is on surfaces in hospitals in rooms with sick patients who are covid positive. Which is to say: no fucking shit.
My understanding is that not all the deaths are getting reported as covid19 deaths, and if someone perishes at home, I dont know if theres any SoP to bother to test post mortem for it.(there is in a hospital setting and they should be, but I think this falls by the wayside) From other inquiries to how coroners work, they seem to pretty much be able to write whatever they want in for cause of death, and that stuff can get weird biases.
It doesn't transmit in aerosolized moisture, just globular if I remember correctly.
-edit not trying to meta-mod
I just have seen you post a lot of panicked posts regarding what might happen and I hope that you get some help with your anxiety right now.
"Air samples that were positive for viral RNA by RT-PCR were examined for viral propagation in
Vero E6 cells. Cytopathic effect was not observed in any sample, to date, and immunofluorescence
and western blot analysis have not, so far, indicated the presence of viral antigens suggesting viral
replication."
Basically, despite there being 2 copies per LITER of air, it was unable to replicate in cells.
"She sad she assumes so."
That is not good enough!
It appears they've moved to actually using one ventilator for two patients.
Seems pretty unethical to me as stated before - it also seems like the medical groups that make recommendations about doing this are all against it for pretty good reasons.
I am sorry that healthcare wasn't prepared but this isn't the way. ARDS is complicated to deal with for a single person and because needs change hourly leaving someone on lowest common denominator settings is going to kill people who could have recovered.
Sometimes there is no good option and the right choice isn't the heroic choice. Captain Kirk wasn't a real captain.
The issue I perceive that there's a fuzzy spectrum between "aerosolized & airborne" (or "properly airborne") and "droplet-based only." COVID seems to transmit somewhere in between those poles, but we don't know exactly where.
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