Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
voyager has
1) the best doctor
2) the second best colorful civilian
3) a very good first officer whose character is, unfortunately, marred by fraudulent native american bullshit
4) some extremely high-quality episodes here and there (I will call out The Thaw and Year of Hell specifically but there's probably somewhere between one and two dozen really great episodes)
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
I don't agree with that at all, I thought she was extremely well-utilized and it's mainly down to sexism in the fanbase that Captain Janeway isn't held in higher regard
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PiptheFairFrequently not in boats.Registered Userregular
remember when janeway and paris evolved into lizards and then fucked and had kids and then got devolved back to humans and nobody mentioned it ever again
remember when janeway and paris evolved into lizards and then fucked and had kids and then got devolved back to humans and nobody mentioned it ever again
What happens in varanus stays in varanus. You know that.
Dr McCoy was a damn good doctor, plus he managed all his duties while blind drunk.
Besides I don't actually like the EMH. As a character he's basically the worst parts of data and bashir mashed up. Picardo did a good job but I'm still not a fan.
remember when janeway and paris evolved into lizards and then fucked and had kids and then got devolved back to humans and nobody mentioned it ever again
And how it was easily curable so they probably could have used warp 10 to get home.
I don't agree with that at all, I thought she was extremely well-utilized and it's mainly down to sexism in the fanbase that Captain Janeway isn't held in higher regard
No it was probably the horrid writing even for Star trek
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PaperLuigi44My amazement is at maximum capacity.Registered Userregular
Speaking of Trek I watched The Trouble With Edward
Definitely fun to see a comedy tone, and I don't especially care that it goes against the grain of traditional Trek because it's refreshing to see a total fuck up because of lack of hindsight and That Guy we've all worked with before.
Thankfully I learned that there was an after-credits stinger because "I'm pregnant...... with flavour!" is such a stupid line I'm glad it was kept.
I've been doing a Voyager rewatch. A lot of episodes are still great. I just skip anything with Borg and as many Seven episodes as possible. Although season 6 forward she's still the focus of every episode and solves every problem and everyone always wants to talk to her.
Most of Star Trek has light genocide on their record, it's fine. Janeway was only slightly more inconsistent than typical episodic characters imo, if perhaps not as interesting.
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Bloods EndBlade of TyshallePunch dimensionRegistered Userregular
I finished Voyager season 2 and I will say that Voyager might have the best "early season" episodes of the 80's on Treks, because Tuvix and Deadlocked are fucking powerhouses.
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Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
voyager has the best pilot episode and it's not particularly close
Blink of an Eye is a very cool episode of Star Trek even if it doesn't make much sense.
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PaperLuigi44My amazement is at maximum capacity.Registered Userregular
Voyager was the family show of choice where renting the latest tape with two episodes was a big deal for us so it's always going to have a soft spot with me, in spite of its various poor decisions.
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kaceypwe stayed bright as lightningwe sang loud as thunderRegistered Userregular
I've been doing a Voyager rewatch. A lot of episodes are still great. I just skip anything with Borg and as many Seven episodes as possible. Although season 6 forward she's still the focus of every episode and solves every problem and everyone always wants to talk to her.
I loved Seven and I loved the Borg (and really only started watching more after Seven was introduced) but even I still can't get over how (spoilers, why not)
they actually introduced a terrifying new alien monster species that can wreck the Borg and leave piles of their fucking heads lying around and is a threat to everyone...
and then turned around and said "actually nah, these guys are just misunderstood and we're also gonna have them look like friendly old Ray Walston and shit from now on" all so that they could make the Borg the the Big Bad of everything again.
Hey, you know that relatively wholesome character the whole pilot revolves around that's been on the show for four seasons? Yeah, fire her, we have this great idea for a Mary Sue wearing a really tight outfit.
Although I guess the show would've probably been cancelled if this hadn't caused the ratings to spike, so...
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Librarian's ghostLibrarian, Ghostbuster, and TimSporkRegistered Userregular
As a big TNG fan, I will say, DS9's pilot was far better. However Babylon 5 is the best space station show.
in the back end of schitt's creek season 2. everyone is funny but i think alexis gets the most laughs out of me
i can't see myself getting tired of her stories and johnny's reactions
Moira absolutely correctly gets the lions share of the Schitt's Creek praise, but I feel like Alexis is really slept on
She's a delight
Yeah but how does she say
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edited August 2020
I'm almost finished with the first season of What We Do In The Shadows.
Hey folks...
When I was in college, I was a resident assistant for three years. My third supervisor, he was an odd guy. He had a weird way of talking and had the eyes of a pug.
When residents would excessively lock themselves out of their rooms, he would force them to write up research papers on the history of keys.
In his room, his only decorations were pictures he ripped out of magazines and crudely taped to his walls.
A few years after I graduated he got fired and then started paying his bills by burning through credit cards (leaping from one to the next).
I used to party with him when I'd return to my college town, but...
Hey folks, was my third supervisor an energy vampire???
I'm almost finished with the first season of What We Do In The Shadows.
Hey folks...
When I was in college, I was a resident assistant for three years. My third supervisor, he was an odd guy. He had a weird way of talking and had the eyes of a pug.
When residents would excessively lock themselves out of their rooms, he would force them to write up research papers on the history of keys.
In his room, his only decorations were pictures he ripped out of magazines and crudely taped to his walls.
A few years after I graduated he got fired and then started paying his bills by burning through credit cards (leaping from one to the next).
I used to party with him when I'd return to my college town, but...
Hey folks, was my third supervisor an energy vampire???
I don't agree with that at all, I thought she was extremely well-utilized and it's mainly down to sexism in the fanbase that Captain Janeway isn't held in higher regard
It cannot be denied that much of the hatred for Janeway is at least in formed by sexism but she also probably suffered the most from the shows terrible writing.
The idea that she is only written as inconsistently as other Captains when it comes to the prime directive isn’t true. Unfortunately there is a very clear line to the way the PD is treated by the shows. Janeway gets just about the worst of it as writers somehow started to miss that the early appearances of the PD involved wrestling with the moral complexity of the issue but eventually sides with the need to save lives. In comparison Janeway often holds up the PD as an excuse to allow or outright cause genocide. Only Archer gets it worse.
Otherwise we can also blame the sexism of the writers for the way Janeway is regarded. They have no idea what they’re doing. Her temperament and beliefs change violently from episode to episode evidently because they wrote her “as a woman first” or more accurately “the way a mostly male writing team sees a woman”.
I am uncertain there are any good female characters in 90’s trek. I can’t say for sure but it seems to me that the majority of women were written by people who only ever interacted with women who were their moms or their girlfriend. The only character that really escapes this fate is Kira I think.
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1) the best doctor
2) the second best colorful civilian
3) a very good first officer whose character is, unfortunately, marred by fraudulent native american bullshit
4) some extremely high-quality episodes here and there (I will call out The Thaw and Year of Hell specifically but there's probably somewhere between one and two dozen really great episodes)
kate mulgrew was wasted on that show
Voyager doesn't have bones, you take number 1 back.
it doesn't even have the best gay subtext, DS9 took that away from it
What happens in varanus stays in varanus. You know that.
Besides I don't actually like the EMH. As a character he's basically the worst parts of data and bashir mashed up. Picardo did a good job but I'm still not a fan.
Actually, their name is Doctor Who.
Wait...
And how it was easily curable so they probably could have used warp 10 to get home.
No it was probably the horrid writing even for Star trek
Thankfully I learned that there was an after-credits stinger because "I'm pregnant...... with flavour!" is such a stupid line I'm glad it was kept.
I loved Seven and I loved the Borg (and really only started watching more after Seven was introduced) but even I still can't get over how (spoilers, why not)
and then turned around and said "actually nah, these guys are just misunderstood and we're also gonna have them look like friendly old Ray Walston and shit from now on" all so that they could make the Borg the the Big Bad of everything again.
i can't see myself getting tired of her stories and johnny's reactions
Does that say more about voyager or tng and ds9 pilots though
Although I guess the show would've probably been cancelled if this hadn't caused the ratings to spike, so...
Moira absolutely correctly gets the lions share of the Schitt's Creek praise, but I feel like Alexis is really slept on
She's a delight
she violates the prime directive AND strands her crew in the very first episode
Yeah but how does she say
behbeh
Hey folks...
When I was in college, I was a resident assistant for three years. My third supervisor, he was an odd guy. He had a weird way of talking and had the eyes of a pug.
When residents would excessively lock themselves out of their rooms, he would force them to write up research papers on the history of keys.
In his room, his only decorations were pictures he ripped out of magazines and crudely taped to his walls.
A few years after I graduated he got fired and then started paying his bills by burning through credit cards (leaping from one to the next).
I used to party with him when I'd return to my college town, but...
Hey folks, was my third supervisor an energy vampire???
She felt like the last one to really integrate with the town and thus the longest holdout of the "I'm a selfish rich person" camp
Oh, absolutely.
Where he refused to go see any tourist attractions or scenic destinations.
Instead he'd just spent an entire week in his hotel room...
Telemachus...
now is the right time for your anger.
It cannot be denied that much of the hatred for Janeway is at least in formed by sexism but she also probably suffered the most from the shows terrible writing.
The idea that she is only written as inconsistently as other Captains when it comes to the prime directive isn’t true. Unfortunately there is a very clear line to the way the PD is treated by the shows. Janeway gets just about the worst of it as writers somehow started to miss that the early appearances of the PD involved wrestling with the moral complexity of the issue but eventually sides with the need to save lives. In comparison Janeway often holds up the PD as an excuse to allow or outright cause genocide. Only Archer gets it worse.
Otherwise we can also blame the sexism of the writers for the way Janeway is regarded. They have no idea what they’re doing. Her temperament and beliefs change violently from episode to episode evidently because they wrote her “as a woman first” or more accurately “the way a mostly male writing team sees a woman”.
I am uncertain there are any good female characters in 90’s trek. I can’t say for sure but it seems to me that the majority of women were written by people who only ever interacted with women who were their moms or their girlfriend. The only character that really escapes this fate is Kira I think.
that is a perfectly acceptable way to spend your vacation days
I was going to say, spending an period of time by yourself as a vacation sounds great.