You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
Your doctor would certify something to that affect.
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
In the US, most often you're still at work despite the long term illness
But otherwise yes, or you'd get a doctor's note.
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To make this slightly less complicated, if I'd taken FMLA for myself, I would have needed to first provide proof in the form of a doctor's certification of my illness/injury that prevented me from working, and then when I returned, I would also have needed to provide a similar doctor's certification that I was fit to return to work. All of this is legal within HIPAA.
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
normally long term stuff would require a doctor's note explaining why you needed to be out for a period of time, but you don't need a doctor's note to return to work
like our basic philosophy is "prove you can't come to work" never "prove it's okay to come to work"
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
japan
The typical practice is for the employer to require the employee to obtain a letter from a physician saying that they are fit to return to work.
The letter does not need to specify what the medical condition was.
And the doctor will probably refuse to write "has recovered from Dicktoobigitis and now only has a regular, huge penis, allowing them to work normally"
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You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
normally long term stuff would require a doctor's note explaining why you needed to be out for a period of time, but you don't need a doctor's note to return to work
like our basic philosophy is "prove you can't come to work" never "prove it's okay to come to work"
unless its like addiction related
then its definitely yeah prove you're not gonna steal all our stuff and snort a line off your desk while heating up a spoon on a space heater
while it was of course recorded for all intents and purposes nobody (else) knows that I got tested or that my test was negative
or rather, knows for certain. Infection tracking called me up (hilariously late) and I went like not to interrupt but let me guess you're going to ask me to quarantine for ten days after the contact and then get tested and I've uh, already done that, test came back yesterday it was negative
and she went okay then have a nice day
she doesn't have any way to check that I'm telling the truth, of course - but also it doesn't matter because if I wasn't, what is she going to do? Reassign traffic wardens to my house to ensure I don't break quarantine?
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
japan
The typical practice is for the employer to require the employee to obtain a letter from a physician saying that they are fit to return to work.
The letter does not need to specify what the medical condition was.
And the doctor will probably refuse to write "has recovered from Dicktoobigitis and now only has a regular, huge penis, allowing them to work normally"
I told you this in confidence. I don't appreciate you broadcasting my medical history to all of chat.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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ChanusHarbinger of the Spicy Rooster ApocalypseThe Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered Userregular
I blame Chanus.
FMLA might be different, i've never had to do that
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
normally long term stuff would require a doctor's note explaining why you needed to be out for a period of time, but you don't need a doctor's note to return to work
like our basic philosophy is "prove you can't come to work" never "prove it's okay to come to work"
This depends on how you're taking your leave. If it's through FMLA (Family and Medical Leave Act), and it's for yourself, you very likely will have to provide certification that you're fit to return to work.
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I blame Chanus.
i don't know that a COVID diagnosis would be long term enough to invoke FMLA unless there were other complications
- Isn't factory-farmed
- Can hypothetically be slaughtered with the consent of the animal
- If it isn't being raised explicitly as livestock (ie, we're not breeding them and increasing their numbers to satisfy a market for long pig), slaughtering and eating them actually reduces our ecological footprint
Long pig is potentially a highly ethical and sustainable food
some slight adjustment to the definitions of consent are needed but sure
that's fine. consent is a social construct anyway.
do you not disagree that you don't think that you should be eaten?
er...no?
okay boys that's consent stuff him in the sausage machine
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
HIPAA doesn't protect you against that. They are allowed to ask, and you are allowed to not answer, or allowed to answer, they can also require you're doctor's note to certify you are not contagious. It's all fine under HR policy. However HR now has to safeguard that data and they can't release it to other people within the company, it's an annoying thing. The reason companies are sketchy to ask health questions is more in the realm of the ADA. Because if they ask you about a health issue, and another health issue enters the field, their options become limited.
IE if you get something that someone had covid (paper trail) and then was terminated a week later. That employee has the ability to sue, and they can show they said they had covid and were terminated over it. And the employer has to be able to prove that wasn't the case, because the burden of proof is preponderance of evidence, which is a low standard (the 51% chance standard).
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
You know, they never made me prove I tested negative for covid before going back to work
that's sort of alarming, considering other people are taking things a lot less seriously than me
I mean, HIPAA and all that but still
actually,
but still, what exactly?
because yeah, HIPAA, probably impossible to ask legally so... yeah. That's that.
Oh it's just concerning because I can guarantee there are people who have a cold, get tested, go "Eh, I feel fine, I don't want to sit at home, this isn't a big deal" and then go to work anyway and lie about their test.
I dunno how to fix that other than making some special HIPAA exception but that seems extreme too
Does HIPAA actually prevent this?
Making it illegal for you to disclose information about your own health would be an odd policy choice
the illegal part is the asking
So in the US, if you have some kind of long term illness leading to an absence, you would just self certify that you're fit to return to work?
that's just cutting out the rather unnecessary middle man of a doctor asking you "do you feel okay to work" and writing a note saying "he says he's good"
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Also, reviewing the documentation I submitted, the doctor absolutely put PHI in the certification document. The form says "Explain the care needed by the patient, and why such care is medically necessary" and then, separately, "Describe the medical facts related to the condition for which the patient needs care. Such medical facts may include symptoms, diagnosis, or any regimen of continuiing treatment such as the use of specialized equipment." and then some exceptions for CA and CT. So yeah, it goes beyond a doctor signing a thing that says "this person totally needs serious medical care".
- Isn't factory-farmed
- Can hypothetically be slaughtered with the consent of the animal
- If it isn't being raised explicitly as livestock (ie, we're not breeding them and increasing their numbers to satisfy a market for long pig), slaughtering and eating them actually reduces our ecological footprint
Long pig is potentially a highly ethical and sustainable food
some slight adjustment to the definitions of consent are needed but sure
that's fine. consent is a social construct anyway.
do you not disagree that you don't think that you should be eaten?
er...no?
okay boys that's consent stuff him in the sausage machine
If I were going to die anyway, I'd consent to being eaten. Especially if you only ate, say, muscle tissue, and agreed to donate anything you didn't eat to science
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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i don't know that a COVID diagnosis would be long term enough to invoke FMLA unless there were other complications
Yeah, I have no idea how this applies to COVID stuff. Considering that giving time off for a COVID diagnosis appears to be a matter of company policy rather than a legal requirement, though, I imagine they can ask for PHI if they want, in 'exchange' for granting you this privilege.
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that's just cutting out the rather unnecessary middle man of a doctor asking you "do you feel okay to work" and writing a note saying "he says he's good"
It depends on what you are asking for.
Some self certified things are administrative and are generally not much of a hassle. He says his back hurts so we have a standing add on put on his desk. Things that are cheap and not work the headache, or an option for people who do not need an ADA exemption, they are just doing some minimal documentation (Standing desks are sort of a thing where anyone who asks at most agencies get them).
A fit note here will also generally cover "this person is fit to work given the following limitations" which usually involves some elaboration on the relevant medical condition
Usually it goes to HR though, you're not typically handing it to your boss
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I blame Chanus.
we have a special thing of leave exclusive for if you get diagnosed with covid or have to isolate because of contract tracing.
that way you dont have to use your normal leave
A fit note here will also generally cover "this person is fit to work given the following limitations" which usually involves some elaboration on the relevant medical condition
Usually it goes to HR though, you're not typically handing it to your boss
A list of the restrictions will go to your boss, and depending on the company your boss will be cool, or give you the shittiest admin work to do.
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we have a special thing of leave exclusive for if you get diagnosed with covid or have to isolate because of contract tracing.
that way you dont have to use your normal leave
Yeah, we get two weeks of extra sick leave to be used for COVID related things.
Was a nice comfort since I'm gonna be using all my family sick leave for the baby.
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I blame Chanus.
dk por que no los dos
also our last hospital numbers for covid are the highest since August
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well
most of the time
Your doctor would certify something to that affect.
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@japan
The typical practice is for the employer to require the employee to obtain a letter from a physician saying that they are fit to return to work.
The letter does not need to specify what the medical condition was.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
In the US, most often you're still at work despite the long term illness
But otherwise yes, or you'd get a doctor's note.
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yeah but we understood what you meant irregardless
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
normally long term stuff would require a doctor's note explaining why you needed to be out for a period of time, but you don't need a doctor's note to return to work
like our basic philosophy is "prove you can't come to work" never "prove it's okay to come to work"
And the doctor will probably refuse to write "has recovered from Dicktoobigitis and now only has a regular, huge penis, allowing them to work normally"
unless its like addiction related
then its definitely yeah prove you're not gonna steal all our stuff and snort a line off your desk while heating up a spoon on a space heater
or rather, knows for certain. Infection tracking called me up (hilariously late) and I went like not to interrupt but let me guess you're going to ask me to quarantine for ten days after the contact and then get tested and I've uh, already done that, test came back yesterday it was negative
and she went okay then have a nice day
she doesn't have any way to check that I'm telling the truth, of course - but also it doesn't matter because if I wasn't, what is she going to do? Reassign traffic wardens to my house to ensure I don't break quarantine?
I told you this in confidence. I don't appreciate you broadcasting my medical history to all of chat.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Slightly off-topic, but I loved playing Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings in Bb minor. It's a fantastic and powerful piece.
This depends on how you're taking your leave. If it's through FMLA (Family and Medical Leave Act), and it's for yourself, you very likely will have to provide certification that you're fit to return to work.
do you not disagree that you don't think that you should be eaten?
er...no?
okay boys that's consent stuff him in the sausage machine
weather changes so fast
and in a week we might get another hurricane
IE if you get something that someone had covid (paper trail) and then was terminated a week later. That employee has the ability to sue, and they can show they said they had covid and were terminated over it. And the employer has to be able to prove that wasn't the case, because the burden of proof is preponderance of evidence, which is a low standard (the 51% chance standard).
what, you can't?
Not generally, for absences exceeding seven days
Fish aren't even fish
My grandma made the best cake doughnuts
Like just utterly fantastic
And then she never taught any of her kids how to make them or wrote down the recipe
That bitch
If I were going to die anyway, I'd consent to being eaten. Especially if you only ate, say, muscle tissue, and agreed to donate anything you didn't eat to science
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah, I have no idea how this applies to COVID stuff. Considering that giving time off for a COVID diagnosis appears to be a matter of company policy rather than a legal requirement, though, I imagine they can ask for PHI if they want, in 'exchange' for granting you this privilege.
Some self certified things are administrative and are generally not much of a hassle. He says his back hurts so we have a standing add on put on his desk. Things that are cheap and not work the headache, or an option for people who do not need an ADA exemption, they are just doing some minimal documentation (Standing desks are sort of a thing where anyone who asks at most agencies get them).
Usually it goes to HR though, you're not typically handing it to your boss
this is the only food take i disagree with that you've had
that way you dont have to use your normal leave
These videos will never not be funny to me.
Someone is going to die at some point for sure though.
(I'll probably still laugh)
If I may present a brief visual aid, you may disagree still but I want to be sure I am fully understood.
Yeah, we get two weeks of extra sick leave to be used for COVID related things.
Was a nice comfort since I'm gonna be using all my family sick leave for the baby.
also our last hospital numbers for covid are the highest since August