MCU Rogers absolutely heeded authority, up until authority proved repeatedly that it would literally fuck the planet, multiple times, rather than cede the slightest amount of freedom to operate to an organization bound by the common good, not political greed. But when offered an insane "option" to resolve the situation which would inevitably get a lot of innocent people killed, of course he said "fuck that". And if he hadn't, either half the universe or the entire universe would be toast.
None of which ended up with him talking anyone down, Bucky was a Hail Mary sacrifice play. Clint did all the work to convince the twins to switch's sides, all Cap did was punch them. All Steve did when he heard about Insight was give a speech to Fury that went nowhere. HYDRA's involvement in Insight was what made Fury do something about the project, not Steve and ha was when he had reservations about Insight. Steve's decisions divided the Avengers and the writers being on his side so he could completely forget about the Accords, he was hardly blameless for how weaken the Avengers were when Thanos arrived on he scene. He also never bothered calling Tony after Civil War, despite giving him a phone. And Lagos, his leadership is hardly spotless. Half the universe was destroyed from he fallout of his deciosn, he can't blame everything on Tony. Tony's a fuck up but he knows he's a fuck up and he tries to fix his mistakes, I can't say the latter about Steve.
Edit: Steve loves authority when he has it, and gets away with stupid decisions because he's on the writers' side but he refuses to adhere to anyone over him despite the fact they might have positions which are valid, and he thrives in organisations with no structure that he leads. His authority, to him, is limitless inside and outside the Avengers. Which keeps blowing up into PR nightmare for the Avengers, and Steve just continues like nothing bad happened. Contrast this with Walker, he follows orders from the GRC - this was a missed opportunity Falcon and Winer Soldier didn't explore he spends most of the series going rogue anyway - he's confronted publicly and by other super-heroes about his fuck ups, he's given an investigation by the US government off-screen and publicly fired by his bosses for his mistakes. The writer aren't on Walker's side and hey shouldn't be but we know here is a system in place which reacts to him and there are consequences on multiple levels. Wanda and Steve are above this accountability when they fuck up. Wanda gets a thumbs up and a pep talk from one of her own victims in WV and we're supposed to see this as good. Vision is angry and confronts her but forgives her and everyone else's pain is erased as long as he's happy with Wanda when she destroys the Hex.
Steve literally walked up to his CO completely resigned to arrest and trial. The authority in charge was wrong in that they valued a PR piece more than the lives of a lot of soldiers, but Rogers still submitted himself for discipline. If authority figures wanted him to stop disobeying them, they should've stopped coming to really fucking stupid, self-serving decisions.
Steve's lucky they cared about PR otherwise he would have been reprimanded for doing that and I think he knew it when he came back so him "falling on his sword" wasn't actually something he was in danger of. They were wrong but that didn't make him immune to legal consequences for doing the right thing by simply bing Captain America. In the sequels he'd never do his again and went ape shit when anyone so much as talked about consequences for Wanda for Lagos, and he should have been on the hook for Lagos since he's her commander. Ross was being a dick, however, wanting accountability when Avengers make international incidents with death tolls shouldn't be a controversial stance. Walker at least got investigated by the proper authorities for his actions. The victims of Lagos and Westview never go their justice in the MCU.
- Wait so this whole gang of international fugitives just packed up and moved to New York over the weekend? And how did Karli even know how to get in touch with the dude?
I assume this is about Batroc? If I understood Sharon's brief scene, she got him released. She mentioned that if it wasn't for her, he'd still be in an Algerian prison. On the other end, someone talking loudly in french can be heard. So Sharon sprung Batroc and put him in contact with Karli and all but confirmed that she is Mephisto.
Seriously though, something's going on with Sharon. Power Broker? I don't think so. Trying to take over the Broker's operation? Possibly.
mostly because hoo boy I do not care about sharon carter
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When is the title going to change to The Falcon Loves the Winter Soldier?
"Don't hit on my sister. Hit on me!"
That was my read on the line. Turns out there is a lot of gay subtext to the show that is pissing off the gay community. People are getting upset that Disney keeps all the man to man romance in subtext, like Poe and Finn in Star Wars, while keeping everything strictly hetero in the overt text.
Which, yeah, seems legit. I'd be pissed too if I felt like I was being catered to in a dirty little secret kind of way. I just hope the case has a crotchless Cap suit and an xoxo note from Bucky to Sam.
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There is a significant dearth of healthy, intimate male relationships being shown in popular media. Every time two men are shown in anything other than an emotionally stunted, if not outright confrontational relationship with each other, this happens.
Men are allowed to be happy and emotionally intimate with each other without being sexually attracted to each other.
I believe that more gay relationships should be portrayed in media, and I understand feeling frustrated with the current state of affairs. But it's not some kind of vast conspiracy to blue ball gay viewers by showing two men being friends and bantering. The solution to a lack of representation isn't getting mad at others who are also lacking in representation. The solution is more representation across the board.
There is a significant dearth of healthy, intimate male relationships being shown in popular media.
Literally just in the MCU we have Iron Man and Spider-Man, Thor and Heimdall, Iron Man and War Machine, Spider-Man and Ned, Captain America and Bucky, Captain America and Falcon, Bucky and Falcon, Groot and Rocket, Ant-Man and Michael Douglas, Ant-Man and Michael Peña, Captain America and Nick Fury, Coulson and Nick Fury, Dr. Strange and Mordo, Dr. Strange and Wong... meanwhile please regale me with all the gays in the we've had so far.
There is a significant dearth of healthy, intimate male relationships being shown in popular media.
Literally just in the MCU we have Iron Man and Spider-Man, Thor and Heimdall, Iron Man and War Machine, Spider-Man and Ned, Captain America and Bucky, Captain America and Falcon, Bucky and Falcon, Groot and Rocket, Ant-Man and Michael Douglas, Ant-Man and Michael Peña, Captain America and Nick Fury, Coulson and Nick Fury, Dr. Strange and Mordo, Dr. Strange and Wong... meanwhile please regale me with all the gays in the we've had so far.
But it's not some kind of vast conspiracy to blue ball gay viewers by showing two men being friends and bantering.
If you do not think there is a concerted effort at Disney to make sure the movies won't get banned in China then I don't know what to say.
Any time a male character is emotionally vulnerable with another male, there's a subset of the internet that decides they must be dating. As has happened with each of the pairings you listed.
That said, there is absolutely a concerted effort by Disney to avoid depicting LGBT relationships. It's exactly the same corporate logic that made sure Will Smit wasn't cast opposite a white woman in Hitch.
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I mostly agree with you, but Hank Pym barely tolerates Scott and explicitly sees him as expendable cannon fodded. A bromance that is not.
I'm going to see a scene in this next episode where the two shields hit each other in mid-air and Walker's shield doesn't split in half immediately and I'm going to scream at my television when it happens.
Holy SHIT that fight. That was brutal. I think that might have been the most brutal fight in the MCU by virtue of being all humans and mostly practical effects, not tech armor or CGI alien murder gods.
And Bucky afterward,
I've only watched up to the hearing but Bucky seems to resent Sam at the end of that fight, or maybe just himself. The silence was more painful to watch than that rocket assisted spine slam onto the shield.
Good episode, nice come down from previous episodes escalation. And holy shit Veep cameo! So one of you nerds who's that from the nerd books for nerds?
I hope this episode showed some of you guys that anothony mackie is also jacked, like come on guys.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
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I mostly agree with you, but Hank Pym barely tolerates Scott and explicitly sees him as expendable cannon fodded. A bromance that is not.
I only saw Ant Man & The Wasp once but I thought they warmed up to each other quite a bit. I'll have to rewatch it though.
Hank did warm up to Scott. It's just that warming up meant he from "if you died, I'd be annoyed I had to fix the holes in the suit" to "if you died, I'd probably go to your funeral."
Good episode, nice come down from previous episodes escalation. And holy shit Veep cameo! So one of you nerds who's that from the nerd books for nerds?
I hope this episode showed some of you guys that anothony mackie is also jacked, like come on guys.
Someone who is likely to keep popping up going forward.
Good episode, nice come down from previous episodes escalation. And holy shit Veep cameo! So one of you nerds who's that from the nerd books for nerds?
I hope this episode showed some of you guys that anothony mackie is also jacked, like come on guys.
Someone who is likely to keep popping up going forward.
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a SHIELD / SWORD / whatever agent, or a KGB agent. She's been all three.
Some basic bitch spoilers about Julia Louis Dreyfus's character, and potential future.
According to the interboobs this was supposed to be her second appearance with her first one being in another marvel film. And they reportedly have "big plans" for her character.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It seems like Sam is not going to take the serum, since there's no longer any avenue for that to happen, and also he's not going to keep his wings and will instead emulate Steve's fighting style. I'm a bit surprised by that, no reason was given as to why he just walked away from his wings. I have to assume that there's a whole vibranium suit in that box which will augment his fighting abilities, and he'll beat Bootleg Cap next episode in a 1 on 1 fight to prove himself.
Yeah I imagine it's probably a type of exosuit/armor? I mean honestly an african nation providing black captain america the means to defend himself... Well I don't hate it.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
It seems like Sam is not going to take the serum, since there's no longer any avenue for that to happen, and also he's not going to keep his wings and will instead emulate Steve's fighting style. I'm a bit surprised by that, no reason was given as to why he just walked away from his wings. I have to assume that there's a whole vibranium suit in that box which will augment his fighting abilities, and he'll beat Bootleg Cap next episode in a 1 on 1 fight to prove himself.
Promotional stuff has shown him in a new suit with new wings, and while there's no actual photos or images from the show with it, there are of him in the new suit with shoulder straps for... something.
I will say I was initially dissapointed it looks like they were going to have us believe the US government wouldn't be ok with what not captain america did, like come on now with how the show is showing us how Marvel america is they wouldn't be ok with a terrorist getting extreme justice? And then here comes Julia Louis Dreyfus to say it out loud, thank you. Its probably why he wasn't court martialed, can't have him in prison.
Also hey batroc the leaper is back FUCK YEAH BATROC!
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So is Sharon all but basically confirmed as the Power Broker now? I’m curious if she’s gonna try to do to Karli what the US/Hyrda did to Isiah to get a new serum going.
When the screen went to black at the end of the episode, I was (internally) shouting, “What’s in the boooooox!” like Brad Pitt in Se7en.
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I will say I was initially dissapointed it looks like they were going to have us believe the US government wouldn't be ok with what not captain america did, like come on now with how the show is showing us how Marvel america is they wouldn't be ok with a terrorist getting extreme justice? And then here comes Julia Louis Dreyfus to say it out loud, thank you. Its probably why he wasn't court martialed, can't have him in prison.
Also hey batroc the leaper is back FUCK YEAH BATROC!
The bigwigs didn’t take the mantle from Walker because he murdered someone.
I will say I was initially dissapointed it looks like they were going to have us believe the US government wouldn't be ok with what not captain america did, like come on now with how the show is showing us how Marvel america is they wouldn't be ok with a terrorist getting extreme justice? And then here comes Julia Louis Dreyfus to say it out loud, thank you. Its probably why he wasn't court martialed, can't have him in prison.
Also hey batroc the leaper is back FUCK YEAH BATROC!
The bigwigs didn’t take the mantle from Walker because he murdered someone.
They did it because he made them look bad.
I like that that was the message, but again at first I felt they were going to pull a "this is not who we are." when its 100% we are.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
So is Sharon all but basically confirmed as the Power Broker now? I’m curious if she’s gonna try to do to Karli what the US/Hyrda did to Isiah to get a new serum going.
When the screen went to black at the end of the episode, I was (internally) shouting, “What’s in the boooooox!” like Brad Pitt in Se7en.
and, just like in se7en, it's the head of a person close to sam, i.e. Sarah!
I will say I was initially dissapointed it looks like they were going to have us believe the US government wouldn't be ok with what not captain america did, like come on now with how the show is showing us how Marvel america is they wouldn't be ok with a terrorist getting extreme justice? And then here comes Julia Louis Dreyfus to say it out loud, thank you. Its probably why he wasn't court martialed, can't have him in prison.
Also hey batroc the leaper is back FUCK YEAH BATROC!
The bigwigs didn’t take the mantle from Walker because he murdered someone.
They did it because he made them look bad.
Yeah I have a feeling if he killed the guy behind closed doors, he'd still be Cap. They just couldn't handle the PR fallout of seeing a dude in the red white and blues absolutely murder a man from 80 different angles.
It seems like Sam is not going to take the serum, since there's no longer any avenue for that to happen, and also he's not going to keep his wings and will instead emulate Steve's fighting style. I'm a bit surprised by that, no reason was given as to why he just walked away from his wings. I have to assume that there's a whole vibranium suit in that box which will augment his fighting abilities, and he'll beat Bootleg Cap next episode in a 1 on 1 fight to prove himself.
Promotional stuff has shown him in a new suit with new wings, and while there's no actual photos or images from the show with it, there are of him in the new suit with shoulder straps for... something.
My guess: Vibranium wings, not suit.
This is from the comics, but I’m expecting something like this:
Yeah, let's not discuss leaks from promos/toys that could spoil like, the last episode for people. It's fine to speculate but if you're citing actual stuff, just toss it behind spoilers.
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None of which ended up with him talking anyone down, Bucky was a Hail Mary sacrifice play. Clint did all the work to convince the twins to switch's sides, all Cap did was punch them. All Steve did when he heard about Insight was give a speech to Fury that went nowhere. HYDRA's involvement in Insight was what made Fury do something about the project, not Steve and ha was when he had reservations about Insight. Steve's decisions divided the Avengers and the writers being on his side so he could completely forget about the Accords, he was hardly blameless for how weaken the Avengers were when Thanos arrived on he scene. He also never bothered calling Tony after Civil War, despite giving him a phone. And Lagos, his leadership is hardly spotless. Half the universe was destroyed from he fallout of his deciosn, he can't blame everything on Tony. Tony's a fuck up but he knows he's a fuck up and he tries to fix his mistakes, I can't say the latter about Steve.
Edit: Steve loves authority when he has it, and gets away with stupid decisions because he's on the writers' side but he refuses to adhere to anyone over him despite the fact they might have positions which are valid, and he thrives in organisations with no structure that he leads. His authority, to him, is limitless inside and outside the Avengers. Which keeps blowing up into PR nightmare for the Avengers, and Steve just continues like nothing bad happened. Contrast this with Walker, he follows orders from the GRC - this was a missed opportunity Falcon and Winer Soldier didn't explore he spends most of the series going rogue anyway - he's confronted publicly and by other super-heroes about his fuck ups, he's given an investigation by the US government off-screen and publicly fired by his bosses for his mistakes. The writer aren't on Walker's side and hey shouldn't be but we know here is a system in place which reacts to him and there are consequences on multiple levels. Wanda and Steve are above this accountability when they fuck up. Wanda gets a thumbs up and a pep talk from one of her own victims in WV and we're supposed to see this as good. Vision is angry and confronts her but forgives her and everyone else's pain is erased as long as he's happy with Wanda when she destroys the Hex.
Steve's lucky they cared about PR otherwise he would have been reprimanded for doing that and I think he knew it when he came back so him "falling on his sword" wasn't actually something he was in danger of. They were wrong but that didn't make him immune to legal consequences for doing the right thing by simply bing Captain America. In the sequels he'd never do his again and went ape shit when anyone so much as talked about consequences for Wanda for Lagos, and he should have been on the hook for Lagos since he's her commander. Ross was being a dick, however, wanting accountability when Avengers make international incidents with death tolls shouldn't be a controversial stance. Walker at least got investigated by the proper authorities for his actions. The victims of Lagos and Westview never go their justice in the MCU.
Batroc’s got a double duty contract: revenge on Sam and take out the Flagsmashers. Calling it now.
Seriously though, something's going on with Sharon. Power Broker? I don't think so. Trying to take over the Broker's operation? Possibly.
mostly because hoo boy I do not care about sharon carter
"Don't hit on my sister. Hit on me!"
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
That was my read on the line. Turns out there is a lot of gay subtext to the show that is pissing off the gay community. People are getting upset that Disney keeps all the man to man romance in subtext, like Poe and Finn in Star Wars, while keeping everything strictly hetero in the overt text.
Which, yeah, seems legit. I'd be pissed too if I felt like I was being catered to in a dirty little secret kind of way. I just hope the case has a crotchless Cap suit and an xoxo note from Bucky to Sam.
Men are allowed to be happy and emotionally intimate with each other without being sexually attracted to each other.
I believe that more gay relationships should be portrayed in media, and I understand feeling frustrated with the current state of affairs. But it's not some kind of vast conspiracy to blue ball gay viewers by showing two men being friends and bantering. The solution to a lack of representation isn't getting mad at others who are also lacking in representation. The solution is more representation across the board.
Any time a male character is emotionally vulnerable with another male, there's a subset of the internet that decides they must be dating. As has happened with each of the pairings you listed.
That said, there is absolutely a concerted effort by Disney to avoid depicting LGBT relationships. It's exactly the same corporate logic that made sure Will Smit wasn't cast opposite a white woman in Hitch.
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I mostly agree with you, but Hank Pym barely tolerates Scott and explicitly sees him as expendable cannon fodded. A bromance that is not.
Considering he's not in prison, I'd call it even
And Bucky afterward,
I hope this episode showed some of you guys that anothony mackie is also jacked, like come on guys.
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Hank did warm up to Scott. It's just that warming up meant he from "if you died, I'd be annoyed I had to fix the holes in the suit" to "if you died, I'd probably go to your funeral."
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Promotional stuff has shown him in a new suit with new wings, and while there's no actual photos or images from the show with it, there are of him in the new suit with shoulder straps for... something.
My guess: Vibranium wings, not suit.
Also hey batroc the leaper is back FUCK YEAH BATROC!
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When the screen went to black at the end of the episode, I was (internally) shouting, “What’s in the boooooox!” like Brad Pitt in Se7en.
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The bigwigs didn’t take the mantle from Walker because he murdered someone.
They did it because he made them look bad.
I like that that was the message, but again at first I felt they were going to pull a "this is not who we are." when its 100% we are.
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and, just like in se7en, it's the head of a person close to sam, i.e. Sarah!
Yeah I have a feeling if he killed the guy behind closed doors, he'd still be Cap. They just couldn't handle the PR fallout of seeing a dude in the red white and blues absolutely murder a man from 80 different angles.
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I said the exact same thing last night.
This is from the comics, but I’m expecting something like this:
Wait... What if those trees are bad guys??